Apparent Rip-Off....

I never new that! good info, Thanks

Steven



GUNMAN said:
If Any Of You Are Gun People, You Shoulnt Use Paypay, They Are Ani Gun Lobbiest, I Am A Licensed Gun Dealer And Make My Living Selling Firearms, I Absolutly Refuse To Look At Anything That Is For Sale With Paypal Only, Just My 2 Cents Worth Jeff(gunman)
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Joe, I really feel you jumped the gun here. I have personally done business and seen Tony do business to the tune of much more expensive cues. If the kid was planning on ripping someone off, I have a hard time believing he would do it on this particular cue. I believe Paypal gives you 45 days to file a dispute...and I personally wished you would give my friend more time before bringing this up in public. I know people have had issues lately on AZ, but still, this is a fairly young man and as earned the benefit of the doubt and the courtesy of being patient from me.

How much are you out? I may cover it for him if money is that tight for you.

PM me if you want.

Thanks
 
Bamacues said:
I want to thank everyone for the PMs, emails, and such in support. It is great to be able to reach out and network over an issue like this one. I still have a hard time thinking that Tony has purposefully ripped me off. I would much rather believe that something has kept him away for a couple of weeks. I really hope that that is the case and that this matter is resolved.
Thanks again,
Joe
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Joe,I have had 2 occassions where I had to file with paypal and both times recieved all my money back.. Once was a computer that I shipped back ..the seller refused to settle the matter.. and once paypal had proof from fedex tracking it was returned they refunded my money next day..So hang in there and paypal should handle it
Charley
 
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Or, I May Be Completely WRONG

Bamacues said:

Well, as sad as it is, it looks like I have been ripped off by Mystick Cue Fan, aka, Tony Cano.

Over a week or so period before 23 August, I received several PMs from Tony asking me to purchase a Predator SPJ because he needed some money. On 23 August, I decided to go ahead and purchase it, even though I had no real need for it, but it would help out someone I had dealt with on several occasions. I paid him through Paypal. He sent a return PM stating that the cue would be shipped on 24 August.

I did not receive the cue, so I tried to contact him. I had his Email address, and was provided his cell phone number through AZ Billiard's members. I sent him 5 emails, and several PMs through AZB, asking him to provide me with tracking information or status of the cue shipment. I also called his cell phone number several times, received voicemail, and left messages stating the problem and asking him to call me.
Joe
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I should probably not stick my nose in this, seeing as I neither buy nor sell anything on AZB (or anywhere else online).

I noticed in Mystick Cue Fan's (Tony Cano's) profile that he lived in Texas and that reminded me of a similar post around the same time frame in the Cue Machinary section where an AZBer was blasting Leonard Bludworth the same way.

Eventually, 'Blud' came on AZB and posted the following on AUGUST 28th:
"One reason for this was the many floods we had here in our town and county, Most of you should of seen on TV the floods of late here in Texas, well, I was right in the middle of it, so yes, I was slow about getting things done. Couldn't get to my shop off and on for 6 weeks.......There's a low water bridge coming to my ranch, [ and shop], and the water got over it up to 17 1/2 ft. The river came up over it 7 times in 6 weeks......."

It's entirely possible that the same thing happened here, or a medical emergency, a wreck, a two week vacation, etc.
I think M.C.F. Tony will complete the deal or make good eventually and have a valid excuse for the delay..... just imo
Doug


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the9ballroller said:
Joe, I really feel you jumped the gun here. I have personally done business and seen Tony do business to the tune of much more expensive cues. If the kid was planning on ripping someone off, I have a hard time believing he would do it on this particular cue. I believe Paypal gives you 45 days to file a dispute...and I personally wished you would give my friend more time before bringing this up in public. I know people have had issues lately on AZ, but still, this is a fairly young man and as earned the benefit of the doubt and the courtesy of being patient from me.

How much are you out? I may cover it for him if money is that tight for you.

PM me if you want.

Thanks
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9ballroller,

The door is certainly open for Tony, I just want him to contact me. When I paid him on 23 Aug, he sent me a PM stating that he would ship the next day. What I asked for in the emails was a tracking number, nothing else. All I really need is some sort of contact from him. A PM, email, phone call, or post on either of the threads on here, etc. I agree that it is VERY unlike him...I have also completed several transactions with Tony in the past, which is what makes this very strange. I have emailed him, PM'd him, and called his cell phone and left messages. All I ask for here is contact with him. I have no problem with a emergency, etc, they happen all the time. If you, or any other of his friends, know of something that has happened in the last couple of weeks to Tony, please PM me. Believe me, I certainly want everything with Tony to be fine.
Joe
 
Well

Dawgie said:
Using a third party for these transactions would eliminate ALL of these problems with not receiving goods in exchange for money.
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I am working with someone from AZ on a deal. I get the jist he is from the indonesia or someplace. He has a cue and I have the cash.

I asked if he would use Scot at Proficient Billiards. He seems not to want to do that. The fee is $50 and I offered to split the cost.

There are just toooo many cues out there for me not to use Scot on $2K cue deal.

I hate to be this way but it seems I am forced into doing escrow. If he wont do escrow I think I will have to pass on cue.

ANY THOUGHTS?

Ken
 
Ken_4fun said:
I am working with someone from AZ on a deal. I get the jist he is from the indonesia or someplace. He has a cue and I have the cash.

I asked if he would use Scot at Proficient Billiards. He seems not to want to do that. The fee is $50 and I offered to split the cost.

There are just toooo many cues out there for me not to use Scot on $2K cue deal.

I hate to be this way but it seems I am forced into doing escrow. If he wont do escrow I think I will have to pass on cue.

ANY THOUGHTS?

Ken
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I have to agree with you on that, Ken. IMO, $2k is too big a risk.
Joe
 
Ken_4fun said:
I am working with someone from AZ on a deal. I get the jist he is from the indonesia or someplace. He has a cue and I have the cash.

I asked if he would use Scot at Proficient Billiards. He seems not to want to do that. The fee is $50 and I offered to split the cost.

There are just toooo many cues out there for me not to use Scot on $2K cue deal.

I hate to be this way but it seems I am forced into doing escrow. If he wont do escrow I think I will have to pass on cue.

ANY THOUGHTS?

Ken
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Yes Sir. Your idea of using Proficient Billiards is spot on IMHO. Why take a risk ? Seller should understand and not object...Tom
 
And this has me concerned....

This came from a private message.

NOTE I WILL NOT IDENTIFY WHO IT IS TO ANYONE, SO DONT ASK.


Dear Ken,

The cue is in very good condition, but it's used, so I assume you're aware that it's not perfect. But it's in very good to excellent condition.

The shafts and butt are very straight here. but the long flight might make it wobble for a while, but after few days I think it will be straight again. (I bought cues from US several times, and I know the long flight might warp the cue temporarily. but they ended up being straight again. )


ANYONE WANNA STEP UP AND BUY THIS CUE ? IF I DO THE DEAL I WILL ESCROW WITH SCOT AS HE HAS DONE ABOUT 10-15 CUES FOR ME AND NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.

COMMENTS?

ken
 
Joe,

All I am saying it has barely been two weeks and I don't think the thread title of accusing Tony of ripping you off is a valid way of going about trying to contact him. Maybe just a thread in the main section of you try to contact him to complete a transaction...then if you don't hear from him or anybody else gets a hold of him in a week, then maybe you have cause for concern.

Again, how much are you out here? I am more than willing to cover it for my buddy, so his name is not drug through the mud any further.

Thanks
 
the9ballroller said:
Joe,

All I am saying it has barely been two weeks and I don't think the thread title of accusing Tony of ripping you off is a valid way of going about trying to contact him. Maybe just a thread in the main section of you try to contact him to complete a transaction...then if you don't hear from him or anybody else gets a hold of him in a week, then maybe you have cause for concern.

Again, how much are you out here? I am more than willing to cover it for my buddy, so his name is not drug through the mud any further.

Thanks
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I absolutely agree, 9ball, which is why I first listed this post...

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=72833

I am concerned about Tony. It is very unusual for someone with whom you have had very recent contact to abandon all methods of contact suddenly. I won't go broke if I don't recover the money for the cue.
Joe
 
i have used Proficient before and it went very well.Scott lets you know everything possible to know about the cue before you actually have to pay for it.it might be courteous of you to offer to pay the entire cost of the escrow though.it is only another $25 for your security.i know Indonesia and all,but still he is selling the cue for the price he asks and probably doesn't want to spend the extra money.plus his integrity is in question.being form Indonesia which seems to be the originating country of these scams i don't blame you at all.i wouldn't send $200 to Indonesia without escrow,but i think i would offer to pay the entire escrow to make the deal go through.definitely pass on the deal if he refuses to use escrow at your expense.
 
i just saw the prediction of shaft wobble and that would make me stay away right there.
 
Thanks for input

masonh said:
i have used Proficient before and it went very well.Scott lets you know everything possible to know about the cue before you actually have to pay for it.it might be courteous of you to offer to pay the entire cost of the escrow though.it is only another $25 for your security.i know Indonesia and all,but still he is selling the cue for the price he asks and probably doesn't want to spend the extra money.plus his integrity is in question.being form Indonesia which seems to be the originating country of these scams i don't blame you at all.i wouldn't send $200 to Indonesia without escrow,but i think i would offer to pay the entire escrow to make the deal go through.definitely pass on the deal if he refuses to use escrow at your expense.
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Actually, I offered to split it but I left it open ended if the $25 was going to be a deal breaker I would work with him.

He is also concerned how Scot is going to pay him. He preferred wire transfer.

Ken
 
Bastian said:
In over a decade of purchasing things online, I guess I've been lucky.. never had a problem until my slipstic order. When it never arrived, I tried unsuccessfully to contact the maker.. when I never heard back, I sent an email to please cancel my order and refund the money. When I never got a reply to that, I left a voicemail.. when that wasn't returned, I filed with paypal. A week or more later, paypal said they never got a response from the seller so they ruled in my favor..

I'm thinking cool right, I'll get my money back no problem.. here's what I
got from them on July 2nd, and have received nothing further since:

We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover $1.60 USD. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.
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Paypal is one thing. However if you pay via Paypal with a credit card and not your bank account, you have another avenue to pursue. Having heard stories like this one many times, using a CC seems to be the way to go. Caveat Emptor.

Flex
 
Scott may not want to wire transfer to Indonesia.i think you open yourself up abit giving out your acct# and routing # and branch address.i think that is a whole different scam,but a scam nonetheless.i am pretty sure they take the money out after they put it in,if they have all that info.a USPS International money oreder should be OK for the guy if he is on the up and up.
 
Joe i think 2 weeks is a long time with zero communication.i would take 9ballroller up on his offer to cover it.
 
Didn't someone respond to Joe's FIRST thread about this guy, claiming that they had seen Tony at some Tourny/PH. And he was selling cues?

Or was that another person?

God forbid if something has happened to him. But frankly, rain in Houston or a vacation isn't a valid excuse for ignoring Joe for 2 weeks now.

Unfortunately, this is one of those "hope he's 'only' flaked out and not hurt physically" situations.

-von (too lazy/no motivation to look it up myself)
 
Explain

9BallRoller...Explain to me how Joe has jumped the gun here..It has been over 2 weeks and not a word... Do you have any high end cues you would like to sell me? Oh and by the way i will pay you when i feel like it..And dont complain to anyone..Just wait patiently and i will pay you...Maybe... Hope you come out ok Joe...Don
 
Well Don,

A Predator SPJ is not exactly what I would call a high end cue...it may be to you, but not to me. Second, Joe said he made the payment on August 23rd, here it is barely two weeks later yes...but he has 45 days with Paypal to file a dispute. Joe also posted the initial "have you seen Tony" thread just three days ago...not really that much time for anybody to hardly respond and track him down. And to the person who thinks Tony was seen, no, please reread that other thread...it said Tony was probably busy playing local tourneys as there are quite a few going on in Texas right now.

I for one believe something else altogether may have happened to Tony, heaven forbid.

Again, my only concern was that my friend was being accused of ripping off someone, when I honestly feel like Tony may truly have fallen into a bad situation somehow.
 
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