Aramith Cleaner left balls with spots

[northshoremb]

Those are collision marks from the balls running into each other that I've mentioned before which is produced when using any ball polisher that don't prevent the balls from crashing into each other while they're spinning.

So if I brought my Centennials that have those collision marks on them to a friend with a Diamond polisher will it remove them or once the collision marks are on the balls they are hard to get off? Balls were like a 9/10 before and now look like we'll used and have all those dull collision marks

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[Poolplaya9]

Who said anything about cracks in the phenolic?

I did, in my post #35 that rexus31 responded to, to make sure that I was talking about the same thing as other people were when we say impact marks because based on the OP's description that is about the only thing I can imagine that two colliding balls could cause to each other. Rexus31 then responded to me under that understanding without saying he was talking about something else, so we now can safely assume that he too was also talking about minor impact cracks in the phenolic surface (or he just has terrible reading comprehension, one or the other).

Sounds like the OP needs to do a much better job of explaining what he means by "impact marks", or just provide the pics he said he was going to so that we all know we are discussing the same thing.

To me, if impact marks are being caused by say leather pockets, then "impact marks" in that case might make me think of something like dye transfer type scuffing. If the impact marks are being caused by nail heads in the pockets, then "impact marks" in that case might make me think of little surface chips on the cue ball. If impact marks are being caused by another ball such as what was being claimed in the post I was responding to, then "impact marks" in that case makes me think more along the lines of those tiny circular cracks of the type left by say G-10 break tips because tiny surface cracks of that kind are more what you would expect when it was caused by two very hard round objects colliding with each other (as opposed to scuffs or chips etc).

But that is why I spelled out what I was talking about in my post so there would be no confusion if somebody else was thinking of something different.

 

[northshoremb]

I did, in my post #35 that rexus31 responded to, to make sure that I was talking about the same thing as other people were when we say impact marks because based on the OP's description that is about the only thing I can imagine that two colliding balls could cause to each other. Rexus31 then responded to me under that understanding without saying he was talking about something else, so we now can safely assume that he too was also talking about minor impact cracks in the phenolic surface (or he just has terrible reading comprehension, one or the other).

Sounds like the OP needs to do a much better job of explaining what he means by "impact marks", or just provide the pics he said he was going to so that we all know we are discussing the same thing.

Ok ill get pics when I get home. Was renovating house all day yesterday then Pool league last night and days today 330am-5pm. So I'll get pics once home

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[Willowbrook Wolfy]

Somebody explain this one to me. The balls are impacting each other harder on the majority of the shots we shoot in a pool game than they ever are in a bucket polisher. And sometimes in games we are even shooting shots that result in impacts that are orders of magnitude more violent than anything that ever happens in a polisher, like break shots, massive stroke shots, pounding a nearly straight in shot to float the cue ball as far down the tangent line as possible for shape, jump shots, etc.

If these "impact marks" are actual tiny surface cracks of some sort in the phenolic, which is the way it seems to get described and what the term "impact marks" would suggest, then why is it none or almost none of these much more violent ball impacts in a pool game are causing impact marks, but balls rattling together in a polisher would be causing them?

The only explanation I can think of, but it doesn't seem likely, is that the balls are allowed to get too hot in the polisher which weakens the surface of the phenolic while hot making it more brittle while hot for lack of a better term. I've never really heard of anybody saying the balls were getting real hot though and I don't think just mildly warm could possibly be a problem.

Anyway, I'm having trouble understanding how less severe impacts would cause damage when the balls are in a ball polisher, but more severe impacts will not cause damage when balls are on a pool table.

I think you’re right. It’s the heat along with the impacts. He’s spinning the &$@$ outta them!

 

[rexus31]

Explain how polishing solution causes cracks in the phenolic with ball collisions no where near hard enough to cause them on a pool table.

Please show me where I said cracks. White marks caused by impact from friction with polishing solution does not equate to cracks.

 

[rexus31]

So if I brought my Centennials that have those collision marks on them to a friend with a Diamond polisher will it remove them or once the collision marks are on the balls they are hard to get off? Balls were like a 9/10 before and now look like we'll used and have all those dull collision marks

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Yes, they will disappear. They should disappear by hand but the machine will do just fine. If you incorporate an apparatus on your machine that will prevent the balls from colliding the machine will then remove the white marks. They are not permanent.

 

[rexus31]

Ok ill get pics when I get home. Was renovating house all day yesterday then Pool league last night and days today 330am-5pm. So I'll get pics once home

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Any change you can post a quick video clip of your machine running with the balls?

 

[northshoremb]

Any change you can post a quick video clip of your machine running with the balls?

I can when I get off work tonight

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[Poolplaya9]

Ok ill get pics when I get home. Was renovating house all day yesterday then Pool league last night and days today 330am-5pm. So I'll get pics once home

If what you are calling impact spots are what I would call dull scuffs, and you are certain you have ruled out anything in/on the bucket and carpet that could be causing it and that it has to be caused by the ball to ball contact, then my guess is that it is probably going to be caused by the use of way too much cleaner on the balls. The cleaner actually has a little bit of very fine abrasive in it, and perhaps if there is too much of that abrasive on the ball because there is too much cleaner on the ball, when the balls collide it is almost as if there were a tiny piece of sandpaper in between them due to there being more abrasive there than there should be.

If that is indeed the problem, there are two solutions. First, use a whole lot less cleaner, like preferably only one or possibly two drops for every 16 balls. Never under any circumstance will you ever need to use more than 4 drops per 16 balls, and if that happens it should be rare and not the norm. This is based on what many people have had success with in many threads discussing it.

The second thing is to use a towel to rub that drop around on all the balls so that there is never more than a super thin coating anywhere on any ball even before you start.

If your problem does end up being that you have just been using too much cleaner, you will probably also have to thoroughly wash or replace the buffer pad and carpeting as they probably already have too much residual cleaner build up on them which will immediately transfer too much to the balls.

 

[rexus31]

I did, in my post #35 that rexus31 responded to, to make sure that I was talking about the same thing as other people were when we say impact marks because based on the OP's description that is about the only thing I can imagine that two colliding balls could cause to each other. Rexus31 then responded to me under that understanding without saying he was talking about something else, so we now can safely assume that he too was also talking about minor impact cracks in the phenolic surface (or he just has terrible reading comprehension, one or the other).

Sounds like the OP needs to do a much better job of explaining what he means by "impact marks", or just provide the pics he said he was going to so that we all know we are discussing the same thing.

To me, if impact marks are being caused by say leather pockets, then "impact marks" in that case might make me think of something like dye transfer type scuffing. If the impact marks are being caused by nail heads in the pockets, then "impact marks" in that case might make me think of little surface chips on the cue ball. If impact marks are being caused by another ball such as what was being claimed in the post I was responding to, then "impact marks" in that case makes me think more along the lines of those tiny circular cracks of the type left by say G-10 break tips because tiny surface cracks of that kind are more what you would expect when it was caused by two very hard round objects colliding with each other (as opposed to scuffs or chips etc).

But that is why I spelled out what I was talking about in my post so there would be no confusion if somebody else was thinking of something different.

One should not assume.

 

[rexus31]

If what you are calling impact spots are what I would call dull scuffs, and you are certain you have ruled out anything in/on the bucket and carpet that could be causing it and that it has to be caused by the ball to ball contact, then my guess is that it is probably going to be caused by the use of way too much cleaner on the balls. The cleaner actually has a little bit of very fine abrasive in it, and perhaps if there is too much of that abrasive on the ball because there is too much cleaner on the ball, when the balls collide it is almost as if there were a tiny piece of sandpaper in between them due to there being more abrasive there than there should be.

If that is indeed the problem, there are two solutions. First, use a whole lot less cleaner, like preferably only one or possibly two drops for every 16 balls. Never under any circumstance will you ever need to use more than 4 drops per 16 balls, and if that happens it should be rare and not the norm. This is based on what many people have had success with in many threads discussing it.

The second thing is to use a towel to rub that drop around on all the balls so that there is never more than a super thin coating anywhere on any ball even before you start.

If your problem does end up being that you have just been using too much cleaner, you will probably also have to thoroughly wash or replace the buffer pad and carpeting as they probably already have too much residual cleaner build up on them which will immediately transfer too much to the balls.

Or he can install a divider and use as much solution as his heart desires.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Please show me where I said cracks. White marks caused by impact from friction with polishing solution does not equate to cracks.

Please show me where I said you said cracks.

What I said was that I made clear in my post that you had responded to that to me "impact marks" meant tiny surface cracks, and you did not say that "surface marks" meant anything different to you. You responded to my post as if you were talking about the same thing I was or you would have said you were talking about something different.

 

[northshoremb]

If what you are calling impact spots are what I would call dull scuffs, and you are certain you have ruled out anything in/on the bucket and carpet that could be causing it and that it has to be caused by the ball to ball contact, then my guess is that it is probably going to be caused by the use of way too much cleaner on the balls. The cleaner actually has a little bit of very fine abrasive in it, and perhaps if there is too much of that abrasive on the ball because there is too much cleaner on the ball, when the balls collide it is almost as if there were a tiny piece of sandpaper in between them due to there being more abrasive there than there should be.

If that is indeed the problem, there are two solutions. First, use a whole lot less cleaner, like preferably only one or possibly two drops for every 16 balls. Never under any circumstance will you ever need to use more than 4 drops per 16 balls, and if that happens it should be rare and not the norm. This is based on what many people have had success with in many threads discussing it.

The second thing is to use a towel to rub that drop around on all the balls so that there is never more than a super thin coating anywhere on any ball even before you start.

If your problem does end up being that you have just been using too much cleaner, you will probably also have to thoroughly wash or replace the buffer pad and carpeting as they probably already have too much residual cleaner build up on them which will immediately transfer too much to the balls.

Yes I did use to much cleaner I believe cause I put small drop on every ball then rubbed around with finger. Then turned on machine and let them spin for 2 min. But I can't see how they collided cause they are touching as they spin. Anyways when I get home I'll get pics

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[The_JV]

Comparatively speaking. If you take scotch brite pad and wipe it across a brushed finish you will not detect the contact. If you have a polished surface and repeat the scotch brite wipe. You can expect to see fine abrasion.

Put dirty/used balls in a polisher that allows collisions and void of cleaner/polish and I doubt you'll see any impact marks on the balls after a cycle.

 

[Poolplaya9]

One should not assume.

You knew I was talking about cracks because I said so. You responded to my post with that being what was being discussed. You never said you were changing the subject to something else, or that you had a different understanding about what the impact marks might be, so cracks are what you were talking about.

Sounds like you just didn't properly comprehend my post, perhaps in a haste, and as a result you had something else in your mind that you were talking about but you failed to let me know so you were talking about the same thing as far as anyone can tell. It was only an assumption in the loosest sense of the word as it was the only thing that could reasonably be concluded because of your apparently erroneous but very clear implication that you were discussing cracks too.

 

[rexus31]

Yes I did use to much cleaner I believe cause I put small drop on every ball then rubbed around with finger. Then turned on machine and let them spin for 2 min. But I can't see how they collided cause they are touching as they spin. Anyways when I get home I'll get pics

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Friction from the balls rubbing on one another with the cleaning solution is what causes the marks. Just make a divider. All I used were (4) microfiber towels (Kirkland Brand; cheap at Costco) folded over twice, using spray adhesive between each fold to keep it in place. I used (2) 3/4" wide by 3" pieces of 1/8" aluminum with 1/4" holes drilled in the top and bottom of each piece. You don't need to use aluminum for this. Old credit cards will work. I stacked all four of the microfiber towels and marked where the holes were on the aluminum pieces and while keeping the stack aligned, poked a hole through them at the top and bottom. I then secured the aluminum pieces on both sides of the towel stack with zip ties to sandwich and secure the towels in place to created (8) separate compartments for the balls. I then cut (8) equidistant slots in the wall of the bucket and slid the microfiber sections through each. This is also machine washable so you can throw it in the wash with the bonnet when they need to be cleaned. It doesn't look pretty but it solved the problem and it worked good.

 

[northshoremb]

Here are the balls

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[Black-Balled]

Here are the balls

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They just have too much residue left on them.

Get plastic baggie and 2 towels.
Drop of polisher in bag, then add 1 ball and rub the ball all around.
Set that ball on one towel and repeat with next ball.
After 3-5 balls, use other towel to get dried polish off.
When enough are done to run the polisher, stick em in.

You may have a lot of residue buildup in the polisher. That should prob be washed or replaced, depending on what your specifics are.

 

[rexus31]

Here are the balls

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Yup, from the balls touching in the machine. It also looks like you are using too much solution. I'd make a divider.

 

[boogieman]

Yes aramith cleaner with pea size drop per ball with a buffer in a 5 gallon pail with wool pad

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A pea sized drop would be enough for all 16 balls. I'd throw the pad in the washer because it's probably saturated to the point of never being able to polish again.