Aramith Mudball?

Zivan1967

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I searched the forums and couldn't find the answer so i thought i'd ask the question before i head to sleep.

How does Aramith make a mudball ?

I recently got a standard crown aramith ball set with a beige cue ball as a gift. I took a few shots and the cue ball acts like an oversized ball so i measured it, weighed it, and its the same size and weight as the object balls.

It's definitely a mudball but i don't know how. Not sure if they would use a plug or something in a standard ball set, or is this cue ball not made by aramith?

Any insight would be helpful.
 
I suppose that if you made a ball that had light material in the centre and much denser material further out from the centre than the normal ball, it could be the same size and the same weight, but would have different behaviour when rolled. That is, it would tend to keep rolling, just like a flywheel.

Perhaps the techie types can give a definitive answer.
 
I suppose that if you made a ball that had light material in the centre and much denser material further out from the centre than the normal ball, it could be the same size and the same weight, but would have different behaviour when rolled. That is, it would tend to keep rolling, just like a flywheel.

Perhaps the techie types can give a definitive answer.

I believe you are correct. The original HAMMER bowling ball was based on this exact principle, having greater density in the outer shell as opposed to the core.
 
The ball doesn't have any mark on it, well now its covered with chalk hits even when i try to clean it, but no official aramith mark.

I didn't know they made a mudball, but i have a measle ball and have used oversized cue balls before and this ball definitely follows a ton and draws like junk.

Thanks for the answers guys, if i find myself drawing the ball too much i'll throw that on the table. Least i know i'm not crazy and there is a way to make a mudball with same weight and size as the object balls.
 
I searched the forums and couldn't find the answer so i thought i'd ask the question before i head to sleep.

How does Aramith make a mudball ?

I recently got a standard crown aramith ball set with a beige cue ball as a gift. I took a few shots and the cue ball acts like an oversized ball so i measured it, weighed it, and its the same size and weight as the object balls.

It's definitely a mudball but i don't know how. Not sure if they would use a plug or something in a standard ball set, or is this cue ball not made by aramith?

Any insight would be helpful.
You say it's definitely a mudball, but you don't know how? My feeling is that you are using the term "mudball" incorrectly.

Fred
 
You say it's definitely a mudball, but you don't know how? My feeling is that you are using the term "mudball" incorrectly.

Fred

I know a mud ball when I see one and haven't seen one in many years. If he can play with it, it isn't a mud ball.

I think I know what ball he's talking about, it ugly all right but it's not a mud ball.
 
I suppose that if you made a ball that had light material in the centre and much denser material further out from the centre than the normal ball, it could be the same size and the same weight, but would have different behaviour when rolled. That is, it would tend to keep rolling, just like a flywheel.

Perhaps the techie types can give a definitive answer.

That would change the moment of inertia, and definitely change the characteristices. It would be harder to get spinning but would tend to continue to spin more once it got going.
 
You say it's definitely a mudball, but you don't know how? My feeling is that you are using the term "mudball" incorrectly.

Fred

I'm probably using the term wrong, but there is something different about this cue ball that makes it follow effortlessly and draw horrible. I didn't know what to call it. If anyone can let me know the correct name for a cue ball that acts like a heavier/oversized cue ball but isn't then i'd gladly call it that.

I just wanted to know how it could be made without changing the size or weight of the cue ball relative to the object balls. The explanation given by Scaramouche is most likely spot on.
 
I'm probably using the term wrong, but there is something different about this cue ball that makes it follow effortlessly and draw horrible. I didn't know what to call it. If anyone can let me know the correct name for a cue ball that acts like a heavier/oversized cue ball but isn't then i'd gladly call it that.

I just wanted to know how it could be made without changing the size or weight of the cue ball relative to the object balls. The explanation given by Scaramouche is most likely spot on.

If it's a mudball, then it was designed to be used on a coin-operated pool table...so that means it'll follow a magnet...meaning it has metal in it in one form or another....so, see if a magnet pull the ball along a flat surface....if not, then it's not a mudball;)
 
If it's a mudball, then it was designed to be used on a coin-operated pool table...so that means it'll follow a magnet...meaning it has metal in it in one form or another....so, see if a magnet pull the ball along a flat surface....if not, then it's not a mudball;)

Glen:

Would that still be true for this ball, which is NOT a mudball?

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http://seyberts.com/products/Green_Logo_Aramith_Magnetic_Cue_Ball-402-217.html

-Sean
 
If it's a mudball, then it was designed to be used on a coin-operated pool table...so that means it'll follow a magnet...meaning it has metal in it in one form or another....so, see if a magnet pull the ball along a flat surface....if not, then it's not a mudball;)

Thanks, then it's not a mudball.

So what is it? lol
 
Yes, that cue ball has metal in it:smile:

So you classify *any* ball that metal in it to be a "mudball"? I'm not sure I agree with you in this respect.

The reason I ask, is that the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball has an outer/perimeter foil in it, versus a center "plug." Thus, it performs very differently from traditional mudballs. I don't consider the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball to be a mudball.

But hey, that's just me.
-Sean
 
So you classify *any* ball that metal in it to be a "mudball"? I'm not sure I agree with you in this respect.

The reason I ask, is that the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball has an outer/perimeter foil in it, versus a center "plug." Thus, it performs very differently from traditional mudballs. I don't consider the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball to be a mudball.

But hey, that's just me.
-Sean

I didn't say that, what I said was the picture of the ball you posted had metal in it. The mud ball was the magnetic cue ball that Valley had produced that had metal filings all thought the ball giving it a gray/off white look to it. It would lose it's finish real quick and become very dull, and write all over the cloth on the table like it was a piece of chalk, and weight more than the object balls, and was hard for anyone with a weak stroke to draw it back.

And just a little secret between you and I...cut that ball you have in half...and you'll find the same metal in the center of it that the Valley cats eye cue ball used, because the use of them cue balls that you have didn't work on about half the Valley tables they were put on from the very begining....because they didn't have enough magnetic pull to them to separate them from the object balls. But, if you don't want to cut yours in half and have a look inside....ask Manwon for a picture of the one he cut in half....then you'll know you've been fooled.:grin:
 
Hold on guys we have not yet establish that it is actually an aramith ball. I doubt it. Probably some off brand polyester ball.
Zivan did the balls come in a box? Was the cue ball milk white before the blueing? You say same weight, but did you actually weigh it?
 
I didn't say that, what I said was the picture of the ball you posted had metal in it. The mud ball was the magnetic cue ball that Valley had produced that had metal filings all thought the ball giving it a gray/off white look to it. It would lose it's finish real quick and become very dull, and write all over the cloth on the table like it was a piece of chalk, and weight more than the object balls, and was hard for anyone with a weak stroke to draw it back.

Ah, my question was a result of "logic by way of extension" -- you used this deduction:

"If it's a mudball, then it was designed to be used on a coin-operated pool table...so that means it'll follow a magnet...meaning it has metal in it in one form or another....so, see if a magnet pull the ball along a flat surface....if not, then it's not a mudball"​

...which, if we read it the way it was written, you imply that "any" ball that follows a magnet, "is" a mudball. If it doesn't follow a magnet, it's not a mudball.

So we know the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball will follow a magnet, but most on these boards will tell you that it's not a mudball.

And just a little secret between you and I...cut that ball you have in half...and you'll find the same metal in the center of it that the Valley cats eye cue ball used, because the use of them cue balls that you have didn't work on about half the Valley tables they were put on from the very begining....because they didn't have enough magnetic pull to them to separate them from the object balls. But, if you don't want to cut yours in half and have a look inside....ask Manwon for a picture of the one he cut in half....then you'll know you've been fooled.:grin:

Excellent piece of information -- thanks for sharing! Although methinks you might've let the secret out. ;)

I do have one of these green "S"-logo'ed balls, I've obviously not cut one in half, because it's the only one I own, and I need it. If, like Craig, I had several of these laying around, being the science-minded person I am, I most definitely would've taken a band-saw to one.

I can tell you, though, in comparison to the traditional mudball or even the traditional "plug" ball, this green "S"-logo'ed ball reacts differently. I've had people swap the ball out in the middle of the game (without the shooter knowing), and the shooter slammed the p!ss out of it with draw (expecting the lackluster draw response from the mudball, and obviously compensating for it), and the Aramith ball slammed in reverse and went zinging around the table. The shocked look was priceless.

-Sean
 
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