Aramith tournament vs Super Aramith PRO-CUP balls

really? I got stuff to do!
sdbilliards said:
if you ask Aramith, there's no difference.
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TKS PIZZA said:
Super Aramith Pro: They maintain tolerances of plus or minus 1 one-thousandth of an inch. At least half the balls in a set of “Super Pros” will measure exactly 2.250-inches when new. These balls can be identified by their more stylish numeral which, like the Premier, is set in the middle of the stripe. They are also polished to a higher luster than the other sets. This set is commonly used in professional tournaments. Information is on opening page of AZ
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AtLarge said:
The Pro Cup balls are a version of the Aramith Super Pro's. The Pro Cup's have a couple of different colors, supposedly better for viewing on TV. Here are a couple of things I posted in the past about the three types of top-quality Aramith balls (Aramith Super Pro balls, Brunswick Centennial balls, and Aramith Tournament balls).

Here's something I posted in 2008:

Super Aramith Pro balls and Brunswick Centennial balls are generally considered to be the finest balls made today. They are both made by the Saluc company in Belgium from the same phenolic resin. I believe they are also made to the same tolerances, with the difference being in the design of the numbers. (The Centennial balls have the well known "dart" design.) The other major difference is price. The Centennials cost considerably more, perhaps because the number design is more expensive to manufacture, perhaps because Brunswick is an expensive middleman.​

And here's something I posted recently:

There is a new kid on the block when it comes to top-quality pool balls -- Aramith Tournament balls from the Saluc company of Belgium (same company that makes Super Aramith Pro balls and Brunswick Centennial balls).

Saluc claims that the Aramith Tournament balls are made from a new, fourth generation of Aramith phenolic resin. They call it the Duramith resin formulation and claim enhanced service life (by up to 50%) and reduced table-cloth wear.

It will be interesting to see whether these balls gain a foothold in commercial, residential, and professional tournament use. I'm eager to learn whether professionals like them more or less than the other top balls, or whether they detect any playing difference at all.

If the new resin really is an improvement, it is possible that these balls could ultimately replace the Super Pro's and also become the resin used for a new generation of Centennials. Or, the new line could just fizzle. We'll see.​

Any one of the three sets mentioned here (four, if you want to view the Pro Cups as different) would provide top-notch service for a long, long time.
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Interesting stuff, but has anyone been able to detect a difference in how they play?

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
Interesting stuff, but has anyone been able to detect a difference in how they play?

Lou Figueroa
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I have both the old Super Aramith Pro's and the newer Duramith Tournament set as well. I like the new ones. But then again, I like the old ones too.

I've got a friend who I play regularly and he claims that the new tournament balls "play funny". Of course, that came right after several savage beatings playing all games, so he needed an excuse. Then again, I asked him to switch the set out with the Super Aramith Pros and I beat him mercilously with those as well.

Look, they supposedly last about twice as long, they're round, and they fit in the hole. What more do you need to know??? :smile:
 
they play just like the super pros, can't tell any difference

but the stuff that the tournaments is made of is much more durable, it stays polished and clean much longer
 
jalapus logan said:
I have both the old Super Aramith Pro's and the newer Duramith Tournament set as well. I like the new ones. But then again, I like the old ones too.

I've got a friend who I play regularly and he claims that the new tournament balls "play funny". Of course, that came right after several savage beatings playing all games, so he needed an excuse. Then again, I asked him to switch the set out with the Super Aramith Pros and I beat him mercilously with those as well.

Look, they supposedly last about twice as long, they're round, and they fit in the hole. What more do you need to know??? :smile:
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A whole lot.

I'm not trying to be snotty about it, but at the higher levels, all kinds things, which may be seem minor, can be detected by experienced players. Like how much throw and/or spin they take (Raschigs where incredible for this); how they come apart (in a stack); how balls carom off one another; do they feel light or heavy; seem bigger or smaller; because of the polish, do they roll further (important for cue ball control and clusters). There is a world of nuance beyond being round and pretty.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
A whole lot.

I'm not trying to be snotty about it, but at the higher levels, all kinds things, which may be seem minor, can be detected by experienced players. Like how much throw and/or spin they take (Raschigs where incredible for this); how they come apart (in a stack); how balls carom off one another; do they feel light or heavy; seem bigger or smaller; because of the polish, do they roll further (important for cue ball control and clusters). There is a world of nuance beyond being round and pretty.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou i play on a set of tournaments on a regular basis at a buddies house the weight and size are consistent with the super pro but they seem less prone leave birn marks from breaking throw seems about the same english transfer from cue to object ball is slightly less and they do seem to roll a little further.
 
lfigueroa said:
A whole lot.

I'm not trying to be snotty about it, but at the higher levels, all kinds things, which may be seem minor, can be detected by experienced players. Like how much throw and/or spin they take (Raschigs where incredible for this); how they come apart (in a stack); how balls carom off one another; do they feel light or heavy; seem bigger or smaller; because of the polish, do they roll further (important for cue ball control and clusters). There is a world of nuance beyond being round and pretty.

Lou Figueroa
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Lou: I switched to the tournament balls a while back and use them almost exclusively these days. I think they stay clean longer and break out better.
I know that some of the better players prefer playing with mine. Ron Shepard, Ed Latimer, Jeff Mohl. Jeff went out and bought his own set and so did Rick Michalec, Sr., and a few other guys at the IBC. I think you have played with some of these guys. My game is not precise enough for me to notice what is different but I will ask a few of them what they think and let you know.
 
Aramith tournament balls, those arent centennials? Priced like em but they look funny.
 
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jalapus logan said:
How do they look funny? They're still spheres aren't they?
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The numbers look different, not necessarily bad. Might be a made for tv version with bigger numbers? Tough to tell in a picture. Even the cue ball has a black swirl, never seen one of those.
 
quadrary said:
Lou i play on a set of tournaments on a regular basis at a buddies house the weight and size are consistent with the super pro but they seem less prone leave birn marks from breaking throw seems about the same english transfer from cue to object ball is slightly less and they do seem to roll a little further.
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Thanks for the info, quadrary.

Lou Figueroa
 
dmgwalsh said:
Lou: I switched to the tournament balls a while back and use them almost exclusively these days. I think they stay clean longer and break out better.
I know that some of the better players prefer playing with mine. Ron Shepard, Ed Latimer, Jeff Mohl. Jeff went out and bought his own set and so did Rick Michalec, Sr., and a few other guys at the IBC. I think you have played with some of these guys. My game is not precise enough for me to notice what is different but I will ask a few of them what they think and let you know.
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Hi Dennis -- thanks for the info and I'd definitely be interested in what them guys think. BTW, where'd you buy yours?

Lou Figueroa
 
jalapus logan said:
How do they look funny? They're still spheres aren't they?
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They do look funny ("Funny how?") Earlier this year at the DCC I was warming up and pulled a ball out of a pocket and thought,"That's a funny looking ball." I actually thought that someone had swiped a ball and that they had used some cheap substitute ball. Then I saw that the whole set was thataway.

Lou Figueroa
 
Balls

I have a centennial set & a tournament set. I can not tell the difference when it comes to playing. Both sets clean the same to me and last about the same time before they need cleaned again. As for looks, they both look great. The only difference is the tournament ring around the number is broken at the midway point. Both are great sets of balls. Can't go wrong with either one.


Wrong set of balls for this Thread, sorry
 
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Wrong Thread, sorry
LOL... I completely read this Thread wrong. That's what happens when you get old....
And the Super Pros are funny looking. I would not want them at all.
 
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lfigueroa said:
Hi Dennis -- thanks for the info and I'd definitely be interested in what them guys think. BTW, where'd you buy yours?

Lou Figueroa
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Lou: Cheapcues.com. He posted on here. I bought mine for $200 delivered but recently he offered $190 Delivered as an AZB price and three guys from the IBC jumped on that deal. email him at mike@cheapcues.com. You'd want to get a carrying case, too. I have a couple but the Aramith one is best. Not sure if he sells it there.
 
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