Archers Not So Comeback and Commentary

a 100,000 a year salary is about double that of the average state. 50 bucks an hour.
that is a good salary but not being a huge success by any means money wise.

most electricians and plumbers make less than 60,000 a year.
Highlighted word is the problem. You can't use something so subjective. $100k in California ain't going too far, but Ohio you're living pretty damn good.

I don't live in the States but I'm guessing there's probably a lack of $50hrly jobs out there. Those making that level of yrly income are busting their balls with OT, or have a salary gigs and mailing it in.
 
Highlighted word is the problem. You can't use something so subjective. $100k in California ain't going too far, but Ohio you're living pretty damn good.

I don't live in the States but I'm guessing there's probably a lack of $50hrly jobs out there. Those making that level of yrly income are busting their balls with OT, or have a salary gigs and mailing it in.
There are plenty of jobs with that pay range if you're good at what you do. Many of the tradesmen I see at my workplace every day make more than that. Once they start adding OT they go way up! I happen to be salaried, so some weeks I'm making 50/hr, some weeks much more than that. It all depends on how I manage my time. I will push my kids towards the trades if they'll listen.
 
There is a minimum requirement of time in the trades before challenging the "Master" cert. That will vary from region to region but none will be measured in decades. Possibly a handful of years beyond the regular cert.
My mistake, didn't realize "Master" certs took only years to obtain. My Grandfather was a plumber for 70+ years, I couldn't imagine he obtained his cert in 5 years.
 
Thank you for this. I am well aware that becoming a licensed plumber or electrician is a good job choice. Same goes for other job skills like auto mechanic, body shop repair, computer repair and many more similar types of employment. Probably better than most college degrees for being able to always earn a good living, and there is not nearly as much schooling involved, sometimes only a year or less to become an apprentice. I see and hear about way too many college grads who cannot find a decent job, and might be driving for UPS or Uber (both of which pay more than what most pro pool players make in a year). True that!

I'd like to add one thing to this conversation. For most, if not all, professional pool players and those that aspire to be one, it is never just about the money. There is a love for the game and a desire to be one of the best that drives them. All these guys are fully aware that only the very best are earning good money from playing pool, probably not more than a dozen or so like that. These guys wouldn't trade their quest for a job, any job!

I take my hat off to them. They are doing what they love and for them it is not work. I made a good living running poolrooms and often worked 60+ hours a week doing it. For me it was time well spent and I enjoyed almost every minute of it. It was never boring!

Last thing. I had a chance to be a doctor or anything else I desired as a young man, but I wanted to play pool and not spend any more time in school. For many years I never had more than a few thousand dollars to my name and I was a successful pool player. Well known players of that era used to come to me to borrow ten or twenty dollars because they knew I was always holding good. In the end it all worked out okay for me. I got a great "poolroom" education that has held me in good stead ever since, and I found a way to make a decent living at the game. No complaints here.
I’m sure a mcwhorter that has some interesting stories about you and what are facts and what aren’t
 
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There are plenty of jobs with that pay range if you're good at what you do. Many of the tradesmen I see at my workplace every day make more than that. Once they start adding OT they go way up! I happen to be salaried, so some weeks I'm making 50/hr, some weeks much more than that. It all depends on how I manage my time. I will push my kids towards the trades if they'll listen.
Is that "plenty" in terms of the small area you're exposed to...?..., or plenty in terms of across the United States. I can tell you that google searches based on average income don't back "plenty" nationally speaking. ...and those numbers are usually gauged toward household not individual.

Comparing salary to an hrly rate is moot. They're simply not comparable. I'm sure if you could manage to retain your job with near zero effort you could say that you earn $10k hrly.
 
My mistake, didn't realize "Master" certs took only years to obtain. My Grandfather was a plumber for 70+ years, I couldn't imagine he obtained his cert in 5 years.
Much like "journeyman", "master" is a narcissistic misnomer. I've been in the electrical trade for ~25yrs. Don't have my masters cert, but that's merely because my career as an 'employee of others' has been fruitful enough to prevent me from pursuing my own business. In my neck of the world. You need 4yrs of certified (licenced) time in the trade and then need to pass an exam that focuses more on building code and labour law, then it does the trade itself. Kudos to those that earn that designation, but the title does overstate the magnitude of the achievement.

I get that designations need to be given titles, but I've always been annoyed at the whole "journeyman" handle. So pompous imo. Comes off like you've endured some hard trials zigzagging across the country after being dumped in the wilderness naked or some crap...lol. That said, after surviving the dire life of an apprenticeship the next logical step is to be a master I suppose.
 
Is that "plenty" in terms of the small area you're exposed to...?..., or plenty in terms of across the United States. I can tell you that google searches based on average income don't back "plenty" nationally speaking. ...and those numbers are usually gauged toward household not individual.

Comparing salary to an hrly rate is moot. They're simply not comparable. I'm sure if you could manage to retain your job with near zero effort you could say that you earn $10k hrly.
I won't speak for any industry other than mine. In construction, there are several "large" projects around the country (and world, but I won't speak to that) with most workers making 100k+. It's really the only industry I can give any specifics for. Literally anyone can get one of these six figure jobs with not much training. It's usually not glamorous work, but it pays great. If you're looking for something in the AZ area let me know! It really is pretty easy to get motivated individuals in.

Regarding comparing salaries to hourly, I know they're not the same. I only mentioned that to emphasize that there is no need for working OT to make good money. There are positions you can get into where you make 50/hr AND have a good quality of life. I'm actually on a meeting right now from my home office. :) Most of my time on this forum is when I'm "on the clock".
 
I used to wake up dreaming about certain shots. Thank god i never got good enough to contemplate pool as a full-time gig. I always had a job, pool was nothing but a side-hustle.
I like this. I literally would lay in bed at night thinking about pool shots and how I could hit them better. I would fall asleep dreaming about being in a pool game. And the next day I would try out some of the things I thought about the night before. The amazing thing was that many times it improved my pool game. To say I was an addicted pool player at the age of 23, 24, 26 or even 28 is an understatement. I literally (there's that word again) did not think about anything else except my next pool game, where I was going to go that day, how much money to take and how much I wanted to play for. I did not care one iota about any movie, politics, a GF or anything else for that matter. I ate when I was hungry at whatever place was nearby. I stayed out all night almost every night and came home when people were driving to work. Somehow that always made me feel good. Sorry about that.

Somewhere in my early 30's I began to realize there was a bigger world out there I was missing out on and that I was truly addicted to playing pool, and always for money. I finally had the realization that my life was way out of balance, and soon after I quit! I didn't pick up a cue for over three years and when I came back (thanks to my friend Cecil Tugwell who went looking for me) I had a new affection for the game. I no longer had to play for money. I could play simply for the love of the game. I never again tried to hustle or coerce anyone into gambling with me. If someone asked me to gamble, only then would I oblige them.

P.S. I never played quite as good as I did when I was addicted to pool. I used to say I had a record like the Globetrotters and it was true. I often went months without losing, and that's playing every day. True I picked my spots carefully and avoided making games with name players. But I still went into strange poolrooms and took on the first guy who stepped up to play. I found out early on that being a stranger was an advantage. My first move was to warm up by shooting one long diagonal shot directly into the corner pocket at warp speed. Then I would tell my opponent I was ready to play! This, after they may have spent five to ten minutes getting loose on their own table. I would sit there and watch and learn how the table rolled and how the banks played. I was in dead stroke having played every day. I didn't need any warm up! Ah, the good old days. I wish I could do it all over again! Some might say fifteen years wasted (from age 18 to 32). I say fifteen years well spent. Plumbing be damned! :p
 
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well either way we should be thankful that the ones that entertain us choose pool and not plumbing. would be some pretty boring livestreams.

back to topic, i saw johnny on the DCC action stream, but haven't seen him in the tournament match chart. i assume he only went for the action?
 
well either way we should be thankful that the ones that entertain us choose pool and not plumbing. would be some pretty boring livestreams.

back to topic, i saw johnny on the DCC action stream, but haven't seen him in the tournament match chart. i assume he only went for the action?
I think in year's past he's only played in the 9 ball, to focus on it, instead of being spread thin in the banks and one hole. Could be the same this year.
 
I think in year's past he's only played in the 9 ball, to focus on it, instead of being spread thin in the banks and one hole. Could be the same this year.
The "Completed Matches" list shows Archer winning his first-round Banks match (against Gary Urinoski), losing in Round 2 (to Jay Copeland), and not buying back in.
 
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