Are Junior players being set up for a tough life?

[kollegedave]

There is no secret AI engine only available to the select few. Maybe some tech players get early access to certain new models that have been hyped, that is about it. The GPUs behind it are almost all the same, they are using the latest nVidia chips (except google and China). Some grifter really did a number on your company. What is really scary is that it is going to be people like you, and your company, who completely destroy the world's economy.

AI lies (hallucinates) to you when it doesn't know an answer. It is fundamental to how it functions and will not change, probably in our lifetime. You are forking the salary of a white collar worker over to another company to bet the future of your company's success on. Just think about that long and hard bud. These people and the entire AI industry are all grifters, they are defrauding everyone. If you have to check the results of the work because you _know_ it lies, is it really worth it? What happens when you get overconfident with the results? If it was MY money, MY retirement fund, that you are investing based off of the advice of AI, and you blew it, I'd hunt you down and take it out of your hide. You just think it is saving you time. And running forecasts is not AI, it is good old fashioned computing. There may be a very small number of things that "AI" is actually pretty good at, but it is nowhere near what people think.

We don't have the electrical grid to support it. These data centers are not actually being built. No one can show a profit being derived from the use of AI. Most companies are doing what is common now in tech, hype it up, sell it and cash out to become set for the rest of your life. No long game, no consideration of long term consequences. What happens when your AI provider goes tits up and you can't run your business any more? You can't find the experts to handle the coding any more? But hey, cash out now, screw the fact that you gambling away all of your client's money, that will be someone else's problem on down the line.

Badpenguin,

I truly hope you are right, and A.I. turns out to be a nothing-burger.

You suggested in your post that A.I. functions may not be "worth it", if you have to check its work. In the legal field, I would argue, this is not true. With some regularity, I use the A.I. feature on Westlaw--legal research software for lawyers, which just incorporated an A.I. search function. Because I worry the A.I. feature might get things wrong, I check all the important citations every time I use it. However, after a few months of use, this feature has not once been wrong. I am still going to check it. More important than this, checking the cite is way quicker than doing the research from scratch. As a result, lawyers who successfully make use of this feature are more productive. More productive individual lawyers results in large employers of legal labor hiring fewer lawyers.

It might be, as you suggest, that A.I. has less of an impact. I don't really think that changes the fundamental premise of my point for aspiring pool players. The cost of education is exceedingly high (for "normal" people), and the pay-off is not what it used to be. In the near term, I still think there is an over-supply of white-collar labor (unless maybe we are talking about work in the sciences). This over-supply, combined with the cost of education, and technological advances (even if A.I. doesn't kill us all), means that simply telling kids to stay in school is too simplistic.

kollegedave

 

[Badpenguin]

It might be, as you suggest, that A.I. has less of an impact. I don't really think that changes the fundamental premise of my point for aspiring pool players. The cost of education is exceedingly high (for "normal" people), and the pay-off is not what it used to be. In the near term, I still think there is an over-supply of white-collar labor (unless maybe we are talking about work in the sciences). This over-supply, combined with the cost of education, and technological advances (even if A.I. doesn't kill us all), means that simply telling kids to stay in school is too simplistic.

Oh I agree with you there, a college education has priced itself into uselessness. Most of the jobs that used to be a shoe-in for a decent life got outsourced in the 90s. Unless you are going into research, education, or want to help people (medical), I don't know what the point of one would be. Get a trade that can't be easily outsourced (to cheaper labor markets, or to AI).

 

[middleofnowhere]

There is no secret AI engine only available to the select few. Maybe some tech players get early access to certain new models that have been hyped, that is about it. The GPUs behind it are almost all the same, they are using the latest nVidia chips (except google and China). Some grifter really did a number on your company. What is really scary is that it is going to be people like you, and your company, who completely destroy the world's economy.

AI lies (hallucinates) to you when it doesn't know an answer. It is fundamental to how it functions and will not change, probably in our lifetime. You are forking the salary of a white collar worker over to another company to bet the future of your company's success on. Just think about that long and hard bud. These people and the entire AI industry are all grifters, they are defrauding everyone. If you have to check the results of the work because you _know_ it lies, is it really worth it? What happens when you get overconfident with the results? If it was MY money, MY retirement fund, that you are investing based off of the advice of AI, and you blew it, I'd hunt you down and take it out of your hide. You just think it is saving you time. And running forecasts is not AI, it is good old fashioned computing. There may be a very small number of things that "AI" is actually pretty good at, but it is nowhere near what people think.

We don't have the electrical grid to support it. These data centers are not actually being built. No one can show a profit being derived from the use of AI. Most companies are doing what is common now in tech, hype it up, sell it and cash out to become set for the rest of your life. No long game, no consideration of long term consequences. What happens when your AI provider goes tits up and you can't run your business any more? You can't find the experts to handle the coding any more? But hey, cash out now, screw the fact that you gambling away all of your client's money, that will be someone else's problem on down the line.

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[Jaden]

I go by the opinion of do whatever the hell you want. I don't care if it's a 15 year old or a 50 year old. It's a free country. If a kid wants to dedicate himself to xyz, so be it.

Dedicating yourself to any sport, even the major ones that pay millions, for 99.999% of people will result in less money than working full time at McDonalds. That's the reality of pro-sports.

But so what? Life isn't just about money. If someone loves poking the balls with a stick, let them.

Yeah I used to get into conversations with a local kid, probably one of the better players in SoCal, named CJ. He would say "Man, you should be out there gambling with how I know you can play". I would say nah, I'm happy with my IT job making X amount of dollars a year guaranteed. His reply at the time was, "I made twice that over the last 6 months".

Fast forward several years and he became a union carpenter.

 

[Jaden]

even if a player is world class Filler, SVB, Gorst, Yapp level talent, they also have to be prepared to live their life out of a suitcase 3/4 of the year. That is fine for some people, but that wouldn't suit my personality- never mind the fact that I'm just an average league player. I wouldn't want a lifestyle with that much travel and relative instability

Life can be funny. I got out of the military because I wanted to be home for my family. Ended up traveling 50% in IT for work, then closer to 75%. Great for my game, horrible for family and my intentions. I got an IT director position and was able to stay home, then the Mezz tour started but because of my job, I wasn't able to practice like I did when traveling before and it affected my game. Then health problems etc...Can't complain about my life but in retrospect sometimes it would be better just to do what you love rather than fighting it.

 

[Jaden]

How do you trust ai? Just this morning I was doing some research on an electronic part I want to buy. I was checking on manufacturers. I again discovered that AI would lie to me. It totally dependent on how I asked the question.

First I asked the question if the company is a good dependable company. The answer rang it's praises like this is the greatest company in the world.

Then I asked a question about whether there were complaints or any problems with this company in terms of recalls or anything else. That answer painted a picture of a company you would never want to deal with.

What I surmise from this is, AI depending on how you ask the question will tell you what it thinks you want to hear, not the truth.

Grok is the worst offender, Grok will just make shit up and when you call Grok on it, He'll just say oh I took creative license because I thought that's what you wanted to hear.

 

[Jaden]

Badpenguin,

I truly hope you are right, and A.I. turns out to be a nothing-burger.

You suggested in your post that A.I. functions may not be "worth it", if you have to check its work. In the legal field, I would argue, this is not true. With some regularity, I use the A.I. feature on Westlaw--legal research software for lawyers, which just incorporated an A.I. search function. Because I worry the A.I. feature might get things wrong, I check all the important citations every time I use it. However, after a few months of use, this feature has not once been wrong. I am still going to check it. More important than this, checking the cite is way quicker than doing the research from scratch. As a result, lawyers who successfully make use of this feature are more productive. More productive individual lawyers results in large employers of legal labor hiring fewer lawyers.

It might be, as you suggest, that A.I. has less of an impact. I don't really think that changes the fundamental premise of my point for aspiring pool players. The cost of education is exceedingly high (for "normal" people), and the pay-off is not what it used to be. In the near term, I still think there is an over-supply of white-collar labor (unless maybe we are talking about work in the sciences). This over-supply, combined with the cost of education, and technological advances (even if A.I. doesn't kill us all), means that simply telling kids to stay in school is too simplistic.

kollegedave

No one should be arguing that AI is useless. It's absolutely unequivocally one of the most useful things man has created. It can cut production times in tenths. But calling it the be all end all is obviously someone who hasn't worked much with it. It isn't replacing even coders any time soon. It may change coders to debuggers, but that's about it.

:: Kinda funny, I'm currently acting as a consultant/corporate IT trainer for a large IT services provider and I was training the students today about how to effectively use AI as IT professionals and this is what it comes down to. There will always need to be people who review what AI produces to be held accountable for what it produces. In the case of this training, they were made aware that whatever they hit send or save on, THEY are responsible for.

 

[jay helfert]

And people are worried about machines supplanting humans and taking over by force if necessary. The hard truth is we humans are giving our power to them. They don’t need to devise a strategy against us. We are doing that for them!

 

[highkarate]

There is no secret AI engine only available to the select few. Maybe some tech players get early access to certain new models that have been hyped, that is about it. The GPUs behind it are almost all the same, they are using the latest nVidia chips (except google and China). Some grifter really did a number on your company. What is really scary is that it is going to be people like you, and your company, who completely destroy the world's economy.

AI lies (hallucinates) to you when it doesn't know an answer. It is fundamental to how it functions and will not change, probably in our lifetime. You are forking the salary of a white collar worker over to another company to bet the future of your company's success on. Just think about that long and hard bud. These people and the entire AI industry are all grifters, they are defrauding everyone. If you have to check the results of the work because you _know_ it lies, is it really worth it? What happens when you get overconfident with the results? If it was MY money, MY retirement fund, that you are investing based off of the advice of AI, and you blew it, I'd hunt you down and take it out of your hide. You just think it is saving you time. And running forecasts is not AI, it is good old fashioned computing. There may be a very small number of things that "AI" is actually pretty good at, but it is nowhere near what people think.

We don't have the electrical grid to support it. These data centers are not actually being built. No one can show a profit being derived from the use of AI. Most companies are doing what is common now in tech, hype it up, sell it and cash out to become set for the rest of your life. No long game, no consideration of long term consequences. What happens when your AI provider goes tits up and you can't run your business any more? You can't find the experts to handle the coding any more? But hey, cash out now, screw the fact that you gambling away all of your client's money, that will be someone else's problem on down the line.

Ai doesn’t make any direct decisions for the company, it provides analysis and data aggregation at a rate humans cannot match. You’re right there is no secret Ai engine but there are definitely tiers and you’re also paying for the cpu. I agree that in the widest lens it is a net negative for society. I also live in said society where I’m at the mercy of the people who sign my paychecks. I’m not advocating for it, and I think it’ll likely render companies like mine useless in short order as all trading on any time frame will become somewhat gto. I’m not arguing anything beyond your assumption that it’s a paper tiger that’s not coming for jobs. I’m telling you from experience, it might be a paper tiger in the way people make assumptions about it, but it is coming for jobs

 

[westcoast]

Life can be funny. I got out of the military because I wanted to be home for my family. Ended up traveling 50% in IT for work, then closer to 75%. Great for my game, horrible for family and my intentions. I got an IT director position and was able to stay home, then the Mezz tour started but because of my job, I wasn't able to practice like I did when traveling before and it affected my game. Then health problems etc...Can't complain about my life but in retrospect sometimes it would be better just to do what you love rather than fighting it.

true- you should do what you love, but life is complicated- you can have multiple passions- hobbies, jobs, relationships. Difficult to get them all to align at the same time.