Are League Players This Bad?

I'm curious. You have so many posts on how you can't run 2 balls, nothing goes in on the break, no idea why you can't play any shape, and you are talking about people playing bad?

Might not be the best person to judge others.

For those who might want some perspective on DCP (forum shorthand for the OP, he's not unknown round here), stroll over to the Instructor Forum and read his threads there.

DCP, I'm rather surprised at your thread and post. Given how much you talk about wanting to improve and learn, and all the lessons you've taken.

I'm pretty sure that you could get played at our league night. Our silly little APA league night. There are more than a few that can play fairly well. Might not be world beaters, but they ain't just bunting balls around, either....I trust that most of the posters in this thread can report the same thing about their own leagues, as well.

Jump right in, and then tell us how bad leagues really are, mmmkay?
 
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Yep, all league players are that bad, I think you should never watch again as some of it might rub off on you and soon you'll be playing just as bad. Only watch the Pros from now on.
 
We have APA night once a week. I don't play APA and probably never will. Not my thing. They take up two tables on the other side of the room. Some of them are very nice people and some of them are loudmouths. Their level of play is not great although some play respectably. They rarely venture over to our side of the room for play but who cares. We would welcome them. I am glad they are there. They contribute financially to the well being of the poolroom and that's important to me because it keeps the equipment top notch and the doors open.
 
Yes, by all means, judge all league players on one match :bash:

A few years ago, some guys from work knew I played a lot of baseball, and wanted to know if I wanted to play on their softball team, they said the team was pretty good, but could use a good infielder.

Yikes, they were very bad, but loved the game. What should I have done, stormed off the field and mocked them at the same time. They loved the game, they had fun. It was better than sitting in front of a TV, no ??

I had fun too, I mean, it's my favorite sport, I just like playing. It's not always about winning,,, i mean, a trophy can't be worth losing your head over, can it ? Just playing your best regardless of what the team does is all you can ask.

SO, yeah, whiles it's not the most enjoyable thing "watching" a couple of 3's battle it out, I do enjoy coaching our 3 to help her/him win the game :thumbup:
 
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I went somewheres tonight to watch a pool league. Dunno if its an APA or VNEA or Local or something else. And I must admit, what I saw was pitiful. I mean really, really bad.

Is this typical of the caliber of play in most leagues? I was thinking about trying to hook up with a team to get some competition but no thanks after what I saw

r/DCP

Depends on the league you play in, one league I play in you better break and run because you probably wont get a 2nd chance at table, if you do you are usually kicking or jumping out of a bad spot.
 
I was watching a match on youtube recently between buddy and hatch. Two pros at the top of the game. A young dennis hatch and older wiser buddy hall.

The finals of the tournament, both in stroke.

I find it uncomfortable to watch dennis play and hes not really missing.

Buddy on the other hand is ALWAYS on the right side of the ball. It just looks effortless. Doesnt force anything, super solid.

Even watching pros it can look terrible.
 
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I went somewheres tonight to watch a pool league. Dunno if its an APA or VNEA or Local or something else. And I must admit, what I saw was pitiful. I mean really, really bad.

Is this typical of the caliber of play in most leagues? I was thinking about trying to hook up with a team to get some competition but no thanks after what I saw

r/DCP

I am assuming you were as good as Efren the first time you picked up a cue from this post. We all started out bad, but some got better than others, and at a faster pace.

In my hall there are three leagues, kind of a beginners league, and intermediate, and one that is very competitive. Funny how some of those folks that started at the beginner league are now playing in the very competitive one, and doing fairly well I might add.

Honestly what I see here is someone putting down other people so that they feel superior. Hope you enjoyed your moment of superiority.
 
I've never played in a league. But I'll say this, they've kept a lot of pool rooms open that otherwise would be gone. The OP reminds me of a guy I know who raised his game by tearing everybody else down. He joined a league but then quit because all his team mates couldn't play. He complained that he tried to teach them but they wouldn't listen. What he really did was ridicule them all. He used to do the same to me every night when I'd come in to practice, talking down to me and virtually every other player. Every night it was, "You ready to gamble some?" I had no desire to deal with such an @$$hole and frankly didn't see him as anything special or even close to a competitor. One night I had enough and we played a set for serious cash. I beat him 21-15 and that was closer than reality because I got so far ahead that I started taking extremely difficult shots with ball in hand that I couldn't get out a number of racks. I did it to demoralize him and show him I didn't take him serious. After we were finished I let him know I was shooting with my off hand to rub it in more. He's never asked to gamble again. DCP, just let folks play at their own skill level, worry about your own and maybe you'll improve not only your own game but your personality as well.
 
As ENGLISH! would say, all I did was state what I saw. That the league players I saw were absolutely terrible. They didn't know what they were doing. All i asked was whether all league players are like this. The rest of you posters have put your own spin on all of this. Spin after spin after spin. Go ahead if you want, makes no difference to me.

Best to ya,
r/DCP
 
As ENGLISH! would say, all I did was state what I saw. That the league players I saw were absolutely terrible. They didn't know what they were doing. All i asked was whether all league players are like this. The rest of you posters have put your own spin on all of this. Spin after spin after spin. Go ahead if you want, makes no difference to me.

Best to ya,
r/DCP

Way to double down there, Mike. Comparing yourself to English!
 
It's not a spin. You don't know what you're doing either, Mike (as is evidenced by the MANY threads telling us how bad you play)...and as such have no basis to make judgement on how others play. :rolleyes:

Scott Lee
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As ENGLISH! would say, all I did was state what I saw. That the league players I saw were absolutely terrible. They didn't know what they were doing. All i asked was whether all league players are like this. The rest of you posters have put your own spin on all of this. Spin after spin after spin. Go ahead if you want, makes no difference to me.

Best to ya,
r/DCP
 
They were probably just a group of people that didn't plop out of a vagina holding a cue. Please find it in your heart to excuse their incredibly despicable behavior and understand that not everyone can even dream to excel to your level of play.
 
I've never played in a league. But I'll say this, they've kept a lot of pool rooms open that otherwise would be gone. The OP reminds me of a guy I know who raised his game by tearing everybody else down. He joined a league but then quit because all his team mates couldn't play. He complained that he tried to teach them but they wouldn't listen. What he really did was ridicule them all. He used to do the same to me every night when I'd come in to practice, talking down to me and virtually every other player. Every night it was, "You ready to gamble some?" I had no desire to deal with such an @$$hole and frankly didn't see him as anything special or even close to a competitor. One night I had enough and we played a set for serious cash. I beat him 21-15 and that was closer than reality because I got so far ahead that I started taking extremely difficult shots with ball in hand that I couldn't get out a number of racks. I did it to demoralize him and show him I didn't take him serious. After we were finished I let him know I was shooting with my off hand to rub it in more. He's never asked to gamble again. DCP, just let folks play at their own skill level, worry about your own and maybe you'll improve not only your own game but your personality as well.


That's funny as hell bro!!!! ---- shooting him ( gambling off handed lolololol) that's awesome - especially since you won! I am curious though , with a race to 21 what they were yall playing for $10k lololol?

BTW, I do have a serious question though, I assume it's not the fact that he said " who's ready to gamble, but rather his overall general demeanor on a day in day out basis?
 
So, I need to preface this statement. I AM NOT TAKING UP FOR DCP! Also, if his comment was meant to be mean spirited, I do not agree or like it. I ( THINK ) he was making a half hearted failed joke about league. With that being said, I will add my .02 - which admittedly is only worth about half face value lol.

I would also like to say that I agree with Tramp and any others that believe that leaguers are the new face of pool and we DO owe them some gratitude because THEY ARE what's keeping our beloved sport alive these days - no doubt about that. If anyone reading this is old enough that they were around the pool hall scene and we're completely immersed in the 90's yall will know exactly what I'm saying. This certainly is not intended to offend anyone, only speaking as to " how it was " and that's all. So the perception back then; in the poo, room, was any leaguers that came in were more or less " goofs ". They NEVER gambled, almost always thought they were much better than they were - until introduced to pool " in the poolroom " , and had what most " regulars " considered a lot of very " strange " habbits. The habbits I speak of were things along the lines of either the magnetic chalk, or even better the " chalk on a string " - the chalk on a belot device with a cord that automatically retracts the chalk back to the belt when done chalking.

While it was a fairly rare sight to see a league player wonder into any of the rooms I hung at, there was a few that would wonder in. They would always be a "7". They would always walk in like they own the place. Being a "7", they would always walk in like in like a king, and walk out like a pulper lol. They just didn't know what they didn't know. Some may disagree; and I will be he first to tell you that you are in fact wrong, but there IS A HUGE difference between someone that comes up in league and someone that comes up in action at a pool hall. In reality it truly is a night and day difference, no comparison whatsoever. That in now way whatsoever means that a pool hall player should treat a leaguer like shit though. Although that's what happens more times than not. Imo, we all are just guys - looking to enjoy ourselves in a sport that we all love so we SHOUD treat each other as so but that doesn't always happen.

Anyway back to the 90's. At least in the action poolike halls there WAS a stigma associated with league, often for the reasons I stated earlier. Things have changed though. US " pool hall action guys " are definitely a dying breed. League is where it's at now, and has been for quite some time. Most of us pool hall guys are actually league players now. The stigma is gone, and had been for quite awhile ( incase yall didn't know lol ).

I think a lot of people either do not understand, or don't like it but there are many many people that play league for the simple fact that they want a night out with some friends. Drink some beer, bs , knock some balls around and that's what they want to do, that's all that they want to do and that's what they enjoy doing . It's hard for some to understand that not everyone aspires to " putting a 6 pack on someone for a G ". I think it's great personally. I do not look at league as anything other than what it's meant to be ---- fun! If that doesn't float your boat that's fine too. Go ply in a tournament, go get in some $200 a game action, go to Derby, US Open, etc etc. Let those people have fun doing what they do A ND realize that THEY ARE THE ONES KEEPING OUR SPORT ALIVE and don't rag on them because they want something out of pool different than what we may want!

While it's true that probably 99% of APA don't play our speed, you should understand that there ARE PLENTY of players that play APA MASTERS that play much better than YOU OR I and that is a fact jack. I know a handful just in my area that that is true.

Once again, I will not pretend to know exactly what DCP was thinking with his post, but I do kinda think he was making an attempt at some humor, which if not mean spirited isnt such a horrible thing right?
 
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That's funny as hell bro!!!! ---- shooting him ( gambling off handed lolololol) that's awesome - especially since you won! I am curious though , with a race to 21 what they were yall playing for $10k lololol?

BTW, I do have a serious question though, I assume it's not the fact that he said " who's ready to gamble, but rather his overall general demeanor on a day in day out basis?

Overall demeanor was the issue. I'm certainly not averse to gambling. And I'm not offended by challenges. This guy is someone who really doesn't play at a high level. He's a C+ or so which is a respectable game but nothing to get all hot and bothered about. When high B and A players come in he avoids them like a herpes infected whore. But he constantly picks on low C and D players. The problem was he assumed I couldn't play well because I set up shots and drills and work on them. Guys like him don't believe such practice is any good, it's a waste of time, and you gotta play for money to get better.

What he never realized was is I don't need to learn how to play. I'm a solid A with my strong side. But I'm working on speed control, potting, and fundamentals/mechanics while practicing off side.

Some guys have more money than sense and game to back it up. He's one of them, though his behavior is going to break him eventually. If his gambling doesn't the drug use will. The set was $3,000. The long race was my idea. I wanted to make it hurt a long time.
 
I went somewheres tonight to watch a pool league. Dunno if its an APA or VNEA or Local or something else. And I must admit, what I saw was pitiful. I mean really, really bad.

Is this typical of the caliber of play in most leagues? I was thinking about trying to hook up with a team to get some competition but no thanks after what I saw

r/DCP

yea because I'm sure you ran racks the first time you picked up a cue lol Who knows what you were even watching. If you were watching a couple 2's then yea there new players. so what.. IF there playing the game and having fun good for them. Maybe a few years from now they may put in the effort and become good players... maybe they won't and they'll just continue to play for fun. Either way there playing pool and good for them. Not every one wants pool to dominate their every thought and action like a lot of us and there is nothing wrong with that.
 
having a fleeting thought....

if you see a bunch of 2's and 3's that either means that everyone plays really bad in that area possibly, or there are a plethora of 5's or higher and the leagues expanding......
 
having a fleeting thought....

if you see a bunch of 2's and 3's that either means that everyone plays really bad in that area possibly, or there are a plethora of 5's or higher and the leagues expanding......

Then again; 2's & 3's are generally chics, and usually a good thang!!!! 😈
 
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