Are Low Deflections Shafts Really Worth It?

Ty-Tanic

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I already have a low deflection shaft but constantly wonder if it was really worth the $235 I spent on it. I love the way that it plays but all the old pro players didn't have low deflection shafts simply because the technology didn't exist at the time. The old pros seem to have done just fine without some high end shaft and arguably played even better than todays pros. I know this is a bit of a sweet area to talk about but I would enjoy hearing others input regarding the subject.
 
I like mine. And low deflection is really a misnomer. They will still deflect....it just depends on how hard you hit it. I have more confidence using mine so I guess that's what counts. Its the radial consistency I think is what's important. Pros that use "old school shafts" go through several untill they find a few they like. I think its the radial consistency that they are looking for. The "high tec" shafts do what mother nature can't do every time.
 
If you love the way that it plays, then it's worth it. I used to play with an OB2 and I liked it a lot. I recently started playing with a Schon and use their standard shaft with it. I like the standard shaft more, but, as is always said in these threads, it's just personal preference. There is really no shot that you can make with one that you cannot make with the other. It all depends on how much time you spend playing with either. Your brain, in time, will eventually adjust to the deflection, no matter how much or how little.
 
I like that I can buy another online and have it in days.
I like that it has a warranty.
I like the shorter ferrule.
I like the light weight.
I like the hit.
And I like that I can get a 30" length.
 
I already have a low deflection shaft but constantly wonder if it was really worth the $235 I spent on it. I love the way that it plays but all the old pro players didn't have low deflection shafts simply because the technology didn't exist at the time. The old pros seem to have done just fine without some high end shaft and arguably played even better than todays pros. I know this is a bit of a sweet area to talk about but I would enjoy hearing others input regarding the subject.
Let me ask you a question.
Would you rather have a shaft that goes where you are hitting it or would you rather have a shave that squirts and you have to guess how much it is going to squirt off???

Yes LD shafts a certainly worth the money!!!
 
There is a danger in lumping all LD shafts together in this question.

You just have to try them to know how you like them.

I have several LD shafts that I like, some more than others. That said, I am of the opinion LD is generally over-hyped.

EVERY shaft creates some amount of squirt. Period.

However, that squirt can be compensated for - LD or not - when you find the natural pivot point of the shaft. So then the question becomes, do you prefer the shorter pivot points of standard shafts, or the longer pivot pints of LD shafts.

My current player is not LD. But I may switch back. Or not.
 
It doesn't happen often, but there are times you want to deflect more.....so as not to graze another object ball in the way of your shot. So an L/D can actually hinder certain shots. Other than that, I like the way my Z-2 draws. Also like the way it deflects less, mostly for straight shots.
 
Totally worth it if you like the difference compared to a maple shaft. The price tag
for me is worth the trial and error to find out what shaft feels the most comfortable.

If your not that serious about pool, why bother, just play with a house cue and
have fun.
Trust me, the better you get, the less fun you have because your expectations
get higher and higher and soon enough if you miss a ball you'll be sitting in the
corner of the poolhall rocking back and forth like that chick from Fatal Attraction:wink:
 
Totally worth it if you like the difference compared to a maple shaft. The price tag
for me is worth the trial and error to find out what shaft feels the most comfortable.

If your not that serious about pool, why bother, just play with a house cue and
have fun.
Trust me, the better you get, the less fun you have because your expectations
get higher and higher and soon enough if you miss a ball you'll be sitting in the
corner of the poolhall rocking back and forth like that chick from Fatal Attraction:wink:

Bahahaha that's a good one. I have been getting pretty serious about pool lately. I have been taking lessons every other Tuesday from Robin Dryer and he has helped me out A LOT so far. I have only taken about 3 lessons so far but after every lesson I seem to be getting better and more consistent. I also go practice about 4 to 5 nights out of the week. Thanks for all the in-put everyone.
 
Laminated shafts are probably more consistent ... but ... on the other hand, I can buy a whole 4x8x 3/4 sheet of finished plywood for 50 bucks. :scratchhead:
 
I had one for a few years and liked it. Plenty of pros use them, too.

From what I've heard, those lessons from Robin will pay off more than any shaft will.
 
Laminated shafts are probably more consistent ... but ... on the other hand, I can buy a whole 4x8x 3/4 sheet of finished plywood for 50 bucks. :scratchhead:

yes and you can make zero laminated shafts from that sheet of plywood.... You could use it to cover your pool table and take up ping pong. :)
 
Erm, I must say no. I am an extreme on this and I dont want any kind of LD techniques. I am all out on conventional solid maple shafts.
 
You will find out it's all about inside spin with the LD shafts.

why?>>> If you think so or not,...we all use a shade of outside spin on most standard cut shots. Those shots I would guess make up about 70% of shots....pure guess there.....so, when we get on the inside of the CB with a standard shaft there is an aiming adjustment to make which is to aim thick or you over cut the inside spin shot. We all know this. That adjustment is not needed with LD shafts.

Yes, after years with maple shafts....I use OB1 LD products, just a feel thing, but Predator, and Tiger etc are great too.

Why have so many top Pros switched to LD?.....they are not all sponsored right? AND you know they will play with what works for them. No Pro will forgo their game for very long for any shaft sponsorship.

G.
 
You will find out it's all about inside spin with the LD shafts.

why?>>> If you think so or not,...we all use a shade of outside spin on most standard cut shots. Those shots I would guess make up about 70% of shots....pure guess there.....so, when we get on the inside of the CB with a standard shaft there is an aiming adjustment to make which is to aim thick or you over cut the inside spin shot. We all know this. That adjustment is not needed with LD shafts.

Yes, after years with maple shafts....I use OB1 LD products, just a feel thing, but Predator, and Tiger etc are great too.

Why have so many top Pros switched to LD?.....they are not all sponsored right? AND you know they will play with what works for them. No Pro will forgo their game for very long for any shaft sponsorship.

G.


Respectfully, I have to disagree. First with the 70% outside, not everybody shoots that way. Second, with no adjustment needed on an inside spin shot. We still have to aim thick because of deflection(at least I do.) The adjustment is less, but its still an adjustment.
 
Respectfully, I have to disagree. First with the 70% outside, not everybody shoots that way. Second, with no adjustment needed on an inside spin shot. We still have to aim thick because of deflection(at least I do.) The adjustment is less, but its still an adjustment.

I concur, we all shoot differently. I know guys that will shoot with inside to get three rail for shape when others will draw one rail for the same position. Whatever you are most comfortable with, is the correct shot.
 
It all boils down to personal preference, not to mention the learning curve associated with the cue/shaft. My Jacoby's in the shop for the time being, and I've been playing with a borrowed cue. My Jacoby has a Z2 on it, and I'm used to it. My buddy has an OB shaft and a 314 shaft for his cue, and I need to adjust for them. I did try the new Mezz LD shaft at the expo, holy cow that thing is sweet. OB shafts are great, just not my thing.
 
What follows is my response to another thread on the matter. The short answer is that they are technically better, but whether it's worth the price tag or the learning curve is a question best left to the player...

If you miss shots because you are shooting with english without compensating enough for squirt (a common problem) or not hitting the cue ball exactly where you intend to (even more common), shooting exactly the same way with a LD shaft will result in you making at least some of those shots. It's not magic, and it won't turn you from a D player into an A player, but it does make the game slightly easier.

It's both theoretically and experimentally proven that LD shafts reduce squirt, which reduces the possible range of squirt when applying english. Reducing the range not only puts you closer to the center ball line so less compensation is required, it also is more forgiving on cue tip placement; your tip offset can be more off target and you'll still make the ball because the deflection hasn't changed as much. It's a little like enlarging the sweet spot on a tennis racket or a golf club, you get the desired result across a broader margin of error.

If you want to have every possible equipment advantage, a LD shaft is the way to go. If you are so used to compensating for the squirt of a regular shaft that the forgiveness of a LD shaft is not worth relearning the necessary adjustments, then don't change. In particular, if you play using backhand english all the time and don't want to give that up, a LD shaft is going to cause you problems.

In either case, if you aim perfectly, compensate correctly for squirt, swerve and throw, and hit the CB exactly where you intend to, it won't matter; the OB will split the jaws of the pocket. Once you get above a certain level and do all of those things well enough (considering that there is almost always some acceptable margin of error), the game is more about position play than making balls, and a LD shaft doesn't really help you there.
 
I already have a low deflection shaft but constantly wonder if it was really worth the $235 I spent on it. I love the way that it plays but all the old pro players didn't have low deflection shafts simply because the technology didn't exist at the time. The old pros seem to have done just fine without some high end shaft and arguably played even better than todays pros. I know this is a bit of a sweet area to talk about but I would enjoy hearing others input regarding the subject.
Low squirt (low deflection or LD) shafts have both advantages and disadvantages, but the bottom line is:

If you think it helps you play better, then it is worth it.

Regards,
Dave
 
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