Are the new Tariffs on Goods from China going to affect prices on Pool cues?

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The Humidifier that I purchased from Amazon, was probably made in China. If there are American made Humidifiers, then I assume they are a lot more expensive then options from China. Not everyone can afford to buy American made everything.
Regardless of the price, I think your biggest challenge would be finding a humidifier that was actually made in The USA.

Just to check my work, I Googled "humidifiers made in America" and the ad below popped up.

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I was suspicious so I checked out the one on the far left. My suspicions were correct.

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so here is how it works. say nike imports a shoe from china. in general they pay about 20 to 25 dollars for that shoe. the tariff is on that cost.

and nike along the way gets to sell those shoes for say 150 dollars. so there is a lot of markup that can be absorbed along the way without even raising the price to you.

so nike may have to pay 40 dollars more for that shoe if the full tariff goes into effect. and nike then will have to sell that shoe at the retail store for 190 dollars if it wants to make the same profit of each shoe.. but consumers wont pay that so nike may eat that loss of profit to keep selling as many shoes. or raise the price and sell less of them.
So what you're saying, in the real world, is that Nike will now sell the shoe for $200 to insure shareholder value growth. People will buy it anyway because they think having Nike branded merchandise is a good thing. Nike faces no public backlash because it's not their fault there are tariffs, even though it allows them to shadily make another $10. Built in excuse that lines the shareholder's pockets. It's a win win as far as they are concerned. I mean, it's not like Nike are good shoes anyway, but the brand is a bit of a status symbol with a lot of brand loyalty. People are still gonna buy them. In the end, it's the consumer that foots the bill (pun intended). :)
 
Also, this forces Americans to create and produce something equal or better.

You want a LD shaft? Well Richard Hsu makes a fantastic shaft himself. No factory worker.

Brandon Jacoby of Jacoby cues make all their shafts here too (Nebraska).

I never get why people buy outside of America when we have the best builders in the world right in our own backyard. Pool cues are something Americans excel at and not outsourced. Where is the pride and representation of these fine cues that are being made here? We have very few industries that will still make our own and the cue building is something we still do.

The wait on a Tsunami 2.0 is something like 6 months...or more. That is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people.
 
So stop relying on the communist slave owners and build and buy AMERICAN GOODS! even if it takes a while to make the adjustments it would behoove us to stop using those A hole countries for things we want much less need.
Sounds good. But "a while" is a massive understatement. No American company with manufacturing in China is going to whip up a fully functional manufacturing facility here in The States any time soon. It's hard enough to staff a factory in the states much less get it fully built and operating. They're going to bide their time and hope this blows over or, worst case scenario, wait out the current administration's time in office.

so here is how it works. say nike imports a shoe from china. in general they pay about 20 to 25 dollars for that shoe. the tariff is on that cost.

and nike along the way gets to sell those shoes for say 150 dollars. so there is a lot of markup that can be absorbed along the way without even raising the price to you.

so nike may have to pay 40 dollars more for that shoe if the full tariff goes into effect. and nike then will have to sell that shoe at the retail store for 190 dollars if it wants to make the same profit of each shoe.. but consumers wont pay that so nike may eat that loss of profit to keep selling as many shoes. or raise the price and sell less of them.
You raise a valid point that a lot of people are missing. The tariff is based on the import cost and not the MSRP. So high margin items *shouldn't* see as much of an increase as low margin goods. The downside to that is a very large portion of high margin items is luxury goods. So the people buying those could afford the markup anyway. So if you're spending $600 on a t shirt (yes they somehow exist) with a 999% margin, spending an extra $20 or $30 isn't going to be a big deal. But if it's something that's already relatively cheap, like normal televisions and other consumer electronics, the increase would be more noticeable.

Full disclosure, I do not have a business degree. But my day job is in procurement and I've been getting notices for the past month or so about preemptive surcharges due to tariffs. I saw the same thing during Covid but for a completely different reason (scarcity of raw materials) and I know how that played out. The surcharges turned into permanent price increases. Will that happen in this case? Probably. I could count on one hand how many times I've gotten a notice about the removal of a surcharge or a non-negotiated price decrease. But to try to keep this remotely close to on topic, we just won't know how any of this will or won't affect imported cues or any other pool related items until it actually happens. There are far too many moving parts for any of us to know with any level of certainty. And spending any real energy speculating or worrying is only going to cause undue stress.
 
This comment is saturated with ignorance.
Educate us then. It took years of ignorance to dig this hole and will take time and effort to overcome the stupidity we have watched destroy our selves with by allowing it to take place. Now we are in great debt to a hostile country that controls more of our goods than we do. At what point should we begin to claw our way back to being as profitable and self reliant as possible? A long time ago obviously. Better now than never. Don't be so ignorant as to believe otherwise!
 
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No American company with manufacturing in China is going to whip up a fully functional manufacturing facility here in The States any time
I have a very small business making custom consumer electronic hardware, including stuff for pool and billiards. It is a side hustle but helps put a dent in my mortgage and was helpful for paying off my student debt and accumulating a 20% down payment on a house. I don’t have any debt except for my mortgage for the first time in my life, and I’m 42. I did everything right, I was just born during a terrible economic generation without rich parents. This helped me break even.

All of my molds and manufacturing supply chains are set up in Shenzhen, one of the best campuses in the world for tech. But because of a hemorrhoidic cheeto with a geriatric world view I have to almost stop my business. Those with cheeto residue on their fingers don’t understand that transferring to the US isn’t an option, and lack of sympathy based on national pride makes me want to drop kick humble pie down American throats.

I’ll note that this is temporary, and I am not worried.
 
Educate us then. It took years of ignorance to dig this hole and will take time and effort to overcome the stupidity we have watched destroy our selves with by allowing it to take place. Now we are in great debt to a hostile country that controls more of our goods than we do. At what point should we begin to claw our way back to being as profitable and self reliant as possible? A long time ago obviously. Better now than never. Don't be so ignorant as to believe otherwise!
Don't feed the trolls, man. That dude's comment added nothing constructive to the conversation.

Having said that, as much as I'd love to see manufacturing brought back to the US, I don't see that happening any time soon for a few reasons. The main one is cost. It doesn't take a Master's Degree to know why it's dramatically cheaper to manufacture goods overseas. And until a tangible financial incentive is put out there to return manufacturing to The States, it's just not going to happen.

The second reason is that we don't run the country. Corporations do. They pay huge amounts of money to get their candidates elected to make laws that favor them. And I am by no means shitting on one side or the other. They're ALL crooked as a barrel of snakes.

For the sake of not creating another ridiculously long post, I'll wrap it up with this. From an economical and thus political standpoint, it's in China's best interest that our economy keeps chugging along and growing because they make all of our stuff. If our economy tanks and we stop buying the stuff they make, they suffer economically too. And they're far better suited to weather economic downturns than we are. Just one of the reasons for that is Xi Jinping doesn't have to worry about getting reelected. Our politicians do.

It's a garbage situation that took a long time to create. And if anyone is ever going to fix it, it's going to take a long time to do that.
 
Educate us then. It took years of ignorance to dig this hole and will take time and effort to overcome the stupidity we have watched destroy our selves with by allowing it to take place. Now we are in great debt to a hostile country that controls more of our goods than we do. At what point should we begin to claw our way back to being as profitable and self reliant as possible? A long time ago obviously. Better now than never. Don't be so ignorant as to believe otherwise!
It is a world economy. You don’t just pull the plug and watch everyone fail, then cross your arms and say “serves you right for XYZ, go Merica!” That’s when I really go ahead and say “k boomer.”
 
I have a very small business making custom consumer electronic hardware, including stuff for pool and billiards. It is a side hustle but helps put a dent in my mortgage and was helpful for paying off my student debt and accumulating a 20% down payment on a house. I don’t have any debt except for my mortgage for the first time in my life, and I’m 42. I did everything right, I was just born during a terrible economic generation without rich parents. This helped me break even.

All of my molds and manufacturing supply chains are set up in Shenzhen, one of the best campuses in the world for tech. But because of a hemorrhoidic cheeto with a geriatric world view I have to almost stop my business. Those with cheeto residue on their fingers don’t understand that transferring to the US isn’t an option, and lack of sympathy based on national pride makes me want to drop kick humble pie down American throats.

I’ll note that this is temporary, and I am not worried.
This whole conversation is very much headed in a way that's far better suited for the NPR section, but...

Just my opinion, but this isn't just a problem with the current administration. Every president we've had since the 50's or so has had an opportunity to make American manufacturing viable and they've chosen not to. Like I said in my post above, they're ALL crooked. And they've managed to turn us all against one another rather than turn on them.

Oh, and I love pool. (Keeping it pool related.):cool:
 
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The wait on a Tsunami 2.0 is something like 6 months...or more. That is a tough pill to swallow for a lot of people.
I disagree.

It's not like people stop playing pool while waiting for their shaft.

I have a cue that is taking almost two years to build. Put money down and forget about it. I still have other cues to shoot with.
 
It is a world economy. You don’t just pull the plug and watch everyone fail, then cross your arms and say “serves you right for XYZ, go Merica!” That’s when I really go ahead and say “k boomer.”
No, you warn them that you are tired of being robbed, paying the price for their lack of any regulation, for competing with slave labor, and mention that they need to make changes because we are not going to be screwed by piss poor policy's that are costing us and enriching them.
Then if they don't work out a fair system...You stand firm and do what you have to do. you do not cave in and let the abuse continue.
Everyone was given fair warning. remember? They were told what was coming and most countries were smart enough to begin taking steps to be less abusive. Not the communists however, they are very reluctant. Well, now what? now tough times while their economy slowly chokes to death and we absorb some of the pain as well as we make things work without them. We do whatever we have to do. PERIOD.
 
I choose to revert back to maintaining my professional attitude on this site and won’t talk about this further. Thread closed for me.
Best thing you ever said. If you're going to sell something you should probably have a company account for posting company related product.

You don't want to do more damage now.

Now we are doubting whether your product is legit.
 
And we should not be the only ones paying them. Or way more than our fair share of them. That is what is being addressed.
Could, should, would - doesn't really matter. Price increases will filter their way through the system since that's how capitalism and economics work.

Trumpers seem willing to accept a lot of short-term pain to get to the long-term supposed gain of bringing sweatshops and dangerous manual labor back to America.
 
actually it is already happening. gm is moving some or all their truck production back from mexico to their empty plant in the u.s.
regeneron is moving back to the u.s. as they moved to ireland awhile back because corporate taxes were only 12.5% there . but now with tariffs it pays for them to move it back. how's them beans.
others are doing the same thing slowly.phizer is now going to build a giant production facility in the u.s. now.
 
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