are the posters here their own worst enemies?

ShootingArts

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Grady is gone again, perhaps to return, perhaps not. In the meantime we miss the stories and comments about the old time players and the knowledge he occasionally drops. I would prefer him here if I have to wade through a dozen negative posts from him for every good one.

However there is another issue besides the pro's and the legends that we as a group run off. There are a lot of lurkers or registered members out there that never post. I know of at least a half-dozen people with a lot to offer that won't post here because they know they would get sucked into the bickering and fighting. Some don't consider themselves computer literate, as polished with words, or as able of typists so they know that right or wrong they will get chewed up in disagreements with swarms of attacking keyboard commandoes.

I certainly haven't been blameless in the past but I do try to think before I post now, particularly when the issue isn't pool related or is pool related but relatively unimportant to me. Is it really worth offending a valuable poster to point out that they are wrong or that I think they are wrong? Is it worth keeping nobody knows how many could be valuable posters off of these forums?

If anyone cares to check the members list, we have seventy-four pages of registered users who have never posted and over half of our members have posted less than a half-dozen times. How many of these could be valuable contributors? How many lurkers have a great deal to offer?

I know for sure that included in these lurkers and registered posters that don't contribute there are names that almost everyone on this forum would recognize. We need to create a climate that encourages them to post. The history of pool is mostly an oral history. Without the stories being written many great tales will be lost and forgotten. This is to say nothing of the pool knowledge that has to be rediscovered over and over instead of passed on. Some of this knowledge is certainly lost.

Hu
 
I agree Hu. But you are probably either preaching to the choir, or your words are falling on deaf ears.
 
I very much agree with Hu and can only hope that some people would be more thoughful before they post to encourage others to post.

One can disagree with out being disagreeable.
 
you make some very reasonable points, but to be honest having the bulk of registered members never posting is a pretty normal thing for an internet forum. rightly or wrongly.
 
worriedbeef said:
you make some very reasonable points, but to be honest having the bulk of registered members never posting is a pretty normal thing for an internet forum. rightly or wrongly.

I agree. It's a great post but nearly every forum is like this for every category.

I think it's like this: Remember when you were in class and the teacher asked if anyone had a question and only 1 person would riase their hand. It wasnt that everyone else all understood it was just only that one had the confidence to ask and usually that question they asked benefitted many others who were afraid to raise their hand for whatever reason.

I had a guy in college thank me for asking questions on complicated software issues because it answered his question as well just he thought it was a stupid question and didnt want to sound stupid asking it but was glad that I did.

I find many people just lurk so they can read and learn quietly without having to 'speak up' for whatever reasons that makes people be quiet. I dont think it's necessarily bad posts or antagonistic posters.. it could be anything though.
 
Well said, but...

As sjm once said when writing about what he liked about AZ, the excellence of this forum is mostly due to one thing: MUTUAL RESPECT. I would submit that the forum atmosphere you are recommending will exist to the degree that our mutual respect for one another exists. And to take it a notch deeper, I believe the level of mutual respect on this forum is a direct function of the character of the posters - low character posters having little respect for one another. As to how we might attract more high character posters and discourage low character posters, I must confess ignornance.
 
Another brilliant observation by one of our fellow AZers. And right or wrong, regardless of the opinion of it, has alot of merit.....
Point to you Hu.
 
I agree lets learn to be proactive rather than reactive.

I would much rather have Grady around rather than gone.

It is obvious Grady is PO'd over the non invite but he is probably also correct about many of his beefs. He in my opinion is also incorrect in some of his other rants such as promoting tourney as long as "his" players agreeing not to play in the oppisitions tournaments.

BTW - How many on this forum think Charlie has pool and the players interests at heart overall?

BTW - How many on this forum think Grady has pool and the players interests at heart overall?

How many want to hear directly from pro's, roadies, gamblers who put it on the line?

How many just want to bicker with a bunch of bangers who cannot do much but want to get all up in your business if you think it is OK to get on the table, or jump a ball playing straight pool.

BTW - Either of these might or might not be legit, it is all based on the rules of the game agreed on by who ever is playing or organizing whether a friendly game, cash game or a tourney. I have seen quite a few world chamions on the table no foot on the floor when cash is on the line. Just matters what the game is at the time.

As for me I hope Grady stays around. The same with Freddy, Jay, Bob Jewett, BlackJack. I appreciate any and all posters with knowledge, experience or just a general love for the game. I would hate see some idiot upset this class of poster.

I do not care much for the kind of poster who wants to show their #ss and obviously get off on themselves by their foolish behaviors online. Most anybody on this forum would not put up with that crap in a real pool room.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more. I think the main forum should be limited to civilized discourse and exchange of ideas. It is not the place to air one's beefs about others.

Fats
 
John Barton said:
i don't know but I would rather have one Grady Matthews than 100 Randy Goldwaters.

I would prefer having both.

There is no rational reason why grown up, intelligent people should create a situation where making such a choice is necessary.

Which one contributes more is unimportant, both contribute much, and Az is less without either.

Jimmy
 
Mutual Respect...

BillPorter said:
As sjm once said when writing about what he liked about AZ, the excellence of this forum is mostly due to one thing: MUTUAL RESPECT....

Bill, you have hit on something I am trying to explain in another thread. The mutual respect you speak of is created when the playing field is open and level for everyone. Everything you do and say is visible to everyone else. Therefore, most folks are more careful of their responses than they might be in a more private setting. Those who aren't don't realize the pain they cause others and some just don't care. Unfortunately, they happen in every setting, but they are often put in their place very tactfully, yet very visibly, here. That is one of the things that makes this forum a great place to be.

In the other thread, they are discussing removing the level playing field and creating private rooms. To create private, pay-only rooms offers a chance to gossip without being seen or heard, except by a select few. PM's would be sufficient in an open forum with a level playing ground and can somewhat prevent the gossip hall effect.

I am very concerned about this forum losing it's respect by becoming a gossip hall. I have seen it happen time and again.

I know I have a solid opinion on this, but it comes from past observation and experience. I believe everything should be discussed thoroughly, with all viewpoints taken into consideration before any action is taken. That is why I jumped in here to offer that opportunity to those who are active in this thread. I hope some of you will also share your thoughts and observations on the other thread.

The thread I am speaking of is at http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=73207
 
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jimmyg said:
I would prefer having both.

There is no rational reason why grown up, intelligent people should create a situation where making such a choice is necessary.

Which one contributes more is unimportant, both contribute much, and Az is less without either.

Jimmy

Well said.
 
and, One Of Them DRINKS

ShootingArts axed: Are the posters here their own worst enemies ?


I am my own worst enemy, but I'm also my very best friend. It gets confusing sometime.
Doug
( I'm slowly losing the battle between the two )
 
All that is needed is for a poster to have an attitude of respect and courtesy. Usually that comes after just a moment of quiet consideration of who you want to be in this world. Do you want to contribute to the good in the world or do you want to be destructive?

Just a moment of quite consideration before the mouth runs, or the fingers type, as the case may be.
 
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