Are there any cuemakers who don't use ivory?

[BarenbruggeCues]

Elephants=ivory
Trees=lumber

Aren't they both from living things?
One uses oxygen......One makes oxygen.....
If you build cues with wood(lumber) but don't use ivory......................

 

[Ruthless]

Cuebacca your question about ivory doesn't bother anyone and I respect all peoples views as long as they don't push them on others. I was joking with you more than anything and not serious.

"Merry Christmas" (not happy holidays),

FL Dave

 

[TATE]

CUEBACCA,

Tad Kohara rarely uses ivory for anything except ferrules. No doubt he'd have alternative ferrule material.

Except for his solid ivory cues.

I called Tad's place last year. A high roller friend wanted to buy a Tad ivory cue. I asked his son if they would take an order. To get his interest, I said the budget was $50,000. He said "no, we're not taking any more orders on ivory cues." Tad is sold out on ivory cues for the rest of his life.

Chris

 

[Cuebacca]

Cuebacca your question about ivory doesn't bother anyone and I respect all peoples views as long as they don't push them on others. I was joking with you more than anything and not serious.

"Merry Christmas" (not happy holidays),

FL Dave

Thanks, Dave. I like your attitude.

Merry Christmas to you too!

 

[ribdoner]

Except for his solid ivory cues.

I called Tad's place last year. A high roller friend wanted to buy a Tad ivory cue. I asked his son if they would take an order. To get his interest, I said the budget was $50,000. He said "no, we're not taking any more orders on ivory cues." Tad is sold out on ivory cues for the rest of his life.

Chris

WOW..no to 50k!! Talk about sticking to a plan...

A few years ago a cuemaker (friend) was asked to refinish fairly elaborate TAD. He delegated the sanding process to one of his associates. MISTAKE...the man-made material which was used to embellish the butt sleeve turned to GOO. The cue had to be sent to TAD for reclamation. That was the one and only TAD he ever tried to refinish

 

[zeeder]

Since you asked, I do have a leather case. I guess I still buy leather because I'm assuming (hoping) that the same cows are getting eaten instead of wasted and dying in vein. LOL, yes, that's my twisted rationalization.

How do you know that the elephants that my ivory came from weren't eaten? Is it important to you that a human does the eating? Just curious...lol.

 

[Cuebacca]

How do you know that the elephants that my ivory came from weren't eaten? Is it important to you that a human does the eating? Just curious...lol.

Well, I'm sure they were eaten by something, at least by worms, maggots and vultures. So if that is important to you, then you now can deck yourself out in ivory guilt-free.

 

[zeeder]

Well, I'm sure they were eaten by something, at least by worms, maggots and vultures. So if that is important to you, then you now can deck yourself out in ivory guilt-free.

Oh, I've got plenty of ivory in my cues. The one I have in progress currently has an ivory joint, butt cap, ferrules, rings and 40+ inlays! I don't feel the least bit guilty either...lol.

 

[Cuebacca]

I don't feel the least bit guilty either...lol.

If that is a completely true statement, then I don't quite understand where your first comment was coming from, when I was clearly trying to post with humility and avoid being preachy.

Oh, I've got plenty of ivory in my cues. The one I have in progress currently has an ivory joint, butt cap, ferrules, rings and 40+ inlays!

Well, isn't that special? I'm happy for ya buddy! Enjoy!

 

[zeeder]

If that is a completely true statement, then I don't quite understand where your first comment was coming from, when I was clearly trying to post with humility and avoid being preachy.

I was referring to your post about how you felt better thinking that the cow that your leather came from was eaten. I wanted to know if you would feel better if the elephant were eaten. I have no problem with ivory inlays, lizard/leather wraps, eating meat, etc.

 

[Cuebacca]

I was referring to your post about how you felt better thinking that the cow that your leather came from was eaten. I wanted to know if you would feel better if the elephant were eaten. I have no problem with ivory inlays, lizard/leather wraps, eating meat, etc.

OK, in case you were trying to ask an honest question... yes, I would feel a lot better if elephants killed for ivory in Africa were being used for starving people in Africa to eat. That sounds like a great way for the poachers to give back to the community. If that is already going on, please educate me. I simply doubt that the poachers really care.

 

[bigskyjake]

I Love ivory in a cue, if i buy an expensive cue it better be packin as much ivory as your average sized bull elephant

 

[zeeder]

OK, in case you were trying to ask an honest question... yes, I would feel a lot better if elephants killed for ivory in Africa were being used for starving people in Africa to eat. That sounds like a great way for the poachers to give back to the community. If that is already going on, please educate me. I simply doubt that the poachers really care.

So it's only when humans eat the animal that it's okay for us to use other parts of said animal?

 

[ratcues]

Elephants are endangered from harvesting ivory. That is why ivory has been banned in the US and other "civilized" countries.

Cows are not endangered. I'm in Nebraska. I can't throw a cue out of my window without hitting a cow. So you cannot compare elephants to cows.

There are alternate materials such as elforyn that can be used in place of ivory and give the same look.

 

[cbi1000]

No more ivory for me.

I don't know when I changed my mind, but it has changed. I am staying away from ivory now.

I understand the killing of animals to provide food and/or other resources; however, killing an elephant is illegal, only reason they are being killed is for their ivory. That’s it. We don’t need to wipe out a species for that.

 

[trueblu8]

Since you asked, I do have a leather case. I guess I still buy leather because I'm assuming (hoping) that the same cows are getting eaten instead of wasted and dying in vain. LOL, yes, that's my twisted rationalization.

How do you know that the elephants that my ivory came from weren't eaten? Is it important to you that a human does the eating? Just curious...lol.

I think he means like in the movie, Dances with Wolves, where the white man after taking the hides from the buffalo left them to rot and die, whereas the Indians made good use of everything they had to offer. Well as far as this goes we shouldn't eat at McDonalds either. Well at least I'm trying not to after seeing that movie super-size me, lol. Have you heard where the chickens and cattle they use come from?! While we're on the topic, who here of us spoiled americans would actually be able to kill and eat their own food? Nasty concept huh, lol? I know I'd have trouble doing it, especially a big animal like a cow! But it is the way things are or have become. It's hard to have a conscience in a morally corrupt world (of which I myself am guilty and part of sadly enough).

 

[merylane]

Elephants are endangered from harvesting ivory. That is why ivory has been banned in the US and other "civilized" countries.

Cows are not endangered. I'm in Nebraska. I can't throw a cue out of my window without hitting a cow. So you cannot compare elephants to cows.

There are alternate materials such as elforyn that can be used in place of ivory and give the same look.

i think you can compare them.

 

[Cuebacca]

So it's only when humans eat the animal that it's okay for us to use other parts of said animal?

Well, I didn't start this thread to tell you what is okay for you to do. However, if you're really are interested in my opinion, I'll go ahead and answer.

Yes, I believe that animals in the wild, in general, are capable of catching their own food. To say that an elephant will be eaten by "something" and therefore its okay to slaughter hundreds of thousands of them, is in my opinion, not a very good argument. When the elephants are slaughtered on that sort of scale, I think its safe to assume that the vast majority of them are going to rot, only to be eaten by bacteria, worms, and so on.

There is also the possible extinction issue that others have raised. Some species of elephants have already become extinct due to the demand for ivory.

There have also been studies that suggest that elephants are "self-aware", which is a characteristic that only a couple other species besides humans possess. That's just one more reason why I'd want to avoid ivory.

I think Trueblu8 gave a good summary of how I feel with the Dances With Wolves example. Unfortunately, instead of learning from the Native Americans, "the white man" practically drove them to extinction as well. (I should add here that I'm white, so don't think I'm racist. ) Anyway, I digress.

(EDIT: Added quotes around "something". )

 

[zeeder]

To say that an elephant will be eaten by "something" and therefore its okay to slaughter hundreds of thousands of them, is in my opinion, not a very good argument.

I wasn't saying that the fact that the elephant would be eaten by "something" was a good argument, I was implying that the fact that a cow is eaten is a bad one!

YMMV however...lol.

Zack

 

[Cuebacca]

I wasn't saying that the fact that the elephant would be eaten by "something" was a good argument, I was implying that the fact that a cow is eaten is a bad one!

YMMV however...lol.

Zack

Well, if that's how you feel, no one's forcing you to buy leather.