Are these Gold Crown Tables? Pics

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I found someone about 90 miles from me with some Brunswick tables for sale.
He didn't know if they are Gold Crown tables or anything.
I'm planning on trying to see them later today or sometime next week.
Price as of right now is $1,200 each, and it includes a rack, balls, one of the cheaper lights, and some house sticks, and a wall mounted cue holder.

Just wanted to know if this is a Gold Crown table.

Thanks
 

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I'm going to see them in a few hours. He said they are taken apart and in storage now. Anything to look out for since they are taken apart already?
 
Yeah, GCIII. If you are only buying one of them take the pick of the litter. Look over the rails and aprons real good and and since they are already disassembled, make sure the slates match. As far as the slates go, if you find a set with significantly fewer staple holes than the others this may indicate that the table is newer and/or has been through fewer operations. If you are not planning to put new cushions on the table check the cushions to see if they have had the snot shimmed out of them or what. If you want tighter pockets and find a set where the subrails have been properly extended rather than the pockets shimmed, grab that set.

Lastly, the Ask the Mechanic forum would have been the better place for this thread.
 
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They are Gold Crowns....should have plaque on end rail. Since they are apart you can check slate, won't be able to tell if cushions are dead or not, unless cracked. Send this post to the table mechanic forum....they're the experts.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. I'll be looking
at these in about an hour or so. I didn't know the
felt was actually stapelled into the slate itself.
I'll give them a good lookover and try to
lower the price a little.

I imagine you don't want parts from the
different tables mismatched. Hopefully the
parts from the tables have been separated.
 
I looked at the tables today. All of the slates are put in their own set together, but the rest of the parts... well, it's hard to figure what goes with what. One of the tables is darker, so the leg part is easy to match with the rails/apron part. If I was to take one, I'd take one of the other two though, it was in slightly better shape.

Will having a set of matched slates, but, not going in on the original frame and rails be a problem? I was afraid the tables weren't going to be kept together as far as parts go, and that was the case, they weren't kept together. The slates would be matched as a set though.

I noticed one of the tables was slightly different. One of them had an all metal Brunswick plaque on top of the head rail, or is it end rail. The other two tables has a clear plastic Brunswick plaque on top of the rail. The plastic rails had a cracked look to them. Are the tables with a plastic plaque newer?

I'll attach a pic. Also, the table were together in major pieces, the bottom part with the legs, the frame part with the gutters, the top rail/apron part and the slates. So I need something big like a U-haul if I do get the table.
The slates feel really heavy and have wood attached to it. Can 2 average males handle this?

I'll put this in the mechanics forum too.

Thanks
 

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I believe that's a difference between GC1/2 and GC3. One being metal and the other being plastic, respectively. If you look at the center brace for the table, there might still be paper pasted to the table. There should be a serial number and information about what kind of table it is. As for the matched set of slate, look for the set with a big circle that can be matched across all three pieces of the slate. That is one set. It is a shame that you can't get the entire table as it was, but you should be ok with whichever slate set goes with whichever frame as long as they are in great condition. A good table mechanic will be able to level it.

As mentioned, there are differences between GC1/2 and GC3. You'll want to read up on them. I believe it is mostly what the aprons are made of, so the differences pertain to the frame material. I remember that there was a thread that talked about all the differences of the GC line of tables.
 
sly_shooter said:
Thanks for the advice guys. I'll be looking
at these in about an hour or so. I didn't know the
felt was actually stapelled into the slate itself.
I'll give them a good lookover and try to
lower the price a little.

I imagine you don't want parts from the
different tables mismatched. Hopefully the
parts from the tables have been separated.
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i think they are cold crown 2
 
Thanks guys, I saw some pics of the differences, but from the basic pictures I can't make out any difference. I actually saw a newer Gold Crown that said Gold Crown on it once (Thailand of all places). These tables didn't say Gold Crown anywhere. I could get a good look at the subframes because they were all in a storage unit and the subframes were in a hard place to get a good look at. I'm going to wait and think about these, and maybe he'll come back with a lower price. he has had these in Craigslist quite awhile and he hasn't sold one of them. His story is he closed his small pool room because the guys working from him kept stealing from him. He managed to sell his barbox tables though.
 
I can tell you that my Brunswick, (not a gold crown but with similar features) has the same metal plate on the head rail. Pink background if I'm right. Mine is from 1965.. Hope this helps...........
 
If those are indeed GCII's, you've got a good find on your hands as long as the slate is in good condition. See if he'll come down in price a bit though. I would be calling the guy as well if I were just getting back from deployment rather than just leaving out on one. :grin-square: Looks like all they really need is a little refinish work on the wood...rail extensions and new pocket liners (flush with the brass) would be other additions maybe.
 
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YES, GC3's has gold anodized pocket corners AND crappy counters. take $800 cash and waft it under his nose.
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Just what I was thinking...be willing to budge just a little. Maybe to 850. Paying $1k for a GCII, the wood better be in better condition than those tables are.
 
Thanks guys...

One of you made it sound like a GC II is better or more desirable.
Is that true? So you think all the tables, the plastic labels and the one with the metal label are GC II's? I did see that the slates look 1 inch thick, but maybe all GC's are 1 inch think. The aprons on one of the tables was pretty decent, one of the table was beat up pretty bad. Either way I would greenish the wood on the legs part and the sides myself. I wouldn't have a clue how to re-do the laminate.

So far I only called one mechanic. I called Q-Master Billiards and they told me to call Eric. Eric does the tables for Q-Masters, I was told they are the biggest pool room on the East Coast, so I'm sure he must be good. Also I think Barry Behrman would want a top notch mechanic doing his tables.
Eric said he wanted $800, to drive 2 hours to pick up the table, drive 2 hours to my house, and setup the table with new Simonis... I'm not sure if that is a reasonable price. That is a lot of driving and I know Simonis is expensive anyways.

When I saw the tables, it seemed as though he had not gotten any interest in them, his brother only put them on Craigslist once. He might be happy to take a lower price. Right now I'm just thinking things out.
 
I would...

sly_shooter said:
Thanks guys...

One of you made it sound like a GC II is better or more desirable.
Is that true? So you think all the tables, the plastic labels and the one with the metal label are GC II's? I did see that the slates look 1 inch thick, but maybe all GC's are 1 inch think. The aprons on one of the tables was pretty decent, one of the table was beat up pretty bad. Either way I would greenish the wood on the legs part and the sides myself. I wouldn't have a clue how to re-do the laminate.

So far I only called one mechanic. I called Q-Master Billiards and they told me to call Eric. Eric does the tables for Q-Masters, I was told they are the biggest pool room on the East Coast, so I'm sure he must be good. Also I think Barry Behrman would want a top notch mechanic doing his tables.
Eric said he wanted $800, to drive 2 hours to pick up the table, drive 2 hours to my house, and setup the table with new Simonis... I'm not sure if that is a reasonable price. That is a lot of driving and I know Simonis is expensive anyways.

When I saw the tables, it seemed as though he had not gotten any interest in them, his brother only put them on Craigslist once. He might be happy to take a lower price. Right now I'm just thinking things out.
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I would put anything related to a table mechanic in that specific forum. Don't assume just because someone does tables in any capacity that they're good. I had 2 people with well known names butcher my table. Then a well known name from this forum made it perfect. These guys will tell you who is good or if they're in the area they will do it. Their prices that I'm familiar with are reasonable.
And, I was told, there's nothing wrong with Brunstone. It's just a man made slate like substance that's crumblier than slate. Just need to be a little more careful.
 
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