Arguing with experts

I just finished reading the AZB thread I cited above. Lots of good, and accurate, material with Hu weighing in as a top contributor. I always find it interesting that when the subject of "tush hogs" comes up, tales from the Deep South seems to predominate. There were many folks around here who were not to be fucked with under any circumstance, but the true tush hogs were in a class unto their own.
 
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Biloxi Boy said:
I just finished reading the AZB thread I cited above. Lots of good, and accurate, material with Hu weighing in as a top contributor. I always find it interesting that when the subject of "tush hogs" comes up, tales from the Deep South seems to predominate. There were many folks around here who were not to be fucked with under any circumstance, but the true tush hogs were in a class unto their own.
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The local tushhog was Larry Johnson. He owned a mechanic shop, two dirt track cars, some other businesses.

He felt like he got a raw deal during the races at the local dirt track. He went up to the press box where the owner could usually be found. A sheriff's deputy in hot pursuit as they say! The sheriff's deputy toted considerable gut but was a big ol' boy besides that. Hard to say which side of three hundred pounds he was. When he got in Larry's face Larry picked him up and hummed him down the bleachers. The deputy didn't touch anything for about six rows of bleachers. Four deputies were headed up the bleachers when the deputy came flying their way. They looked at each other: Can't shoot a local businessman, four of us aren't nearly enough to deal with Larry. They stopped in midrush and turned around walking away. Larry was between sixty-five and seventy then.

Come to think of it, another mechanic shop owner was the tushhog when I moved to Rapides Parish. Kind of a hint when his nickname is Iron John! Nice guy but I would much rather have him beside me than in front of me facing me.

Hu
 
It’s hard to listen to these “experts” when they gaslight us players telling us that our tip, tip shape, tip diameter, and deflection don’t actually matter but the moment we change a single one of these, we feel a massive difference in every aspect of our game.

There’s a disconnect between the science/physics of hitting a ball and the player experience of hitting a ball.
 
ShootingArts said:
The local tushhog was Larry Johnson. He owned a mechanic shop, two dirt track cars, some other businesses.

He felt like he got a raw deal during the races at the local dirt track. He went up to the press box where the owner could usually be found. A sheriff's deputy in hot pursuit as they say! The sheriff's deputy toted considerable gut but was a big ol' boy besides that. Hard to say which side of three hundred pounds he was. When he got in Larry's face Larry picked him up and hummed him down the bleachers. The deputy didn't touch anything for about six rows of bleachers. Four deputies were headed up the bleachers when the deputy came flying their way. They looked at each other: Can't shoot a local businessman, four of us aren't nearly enough to deal with Larry. They stopped in midrush and turned around walking away. Larry was between sixty-five and seventy then.

Come to think of it, another mechanic shop owner was the tushhog when I moved to Rapides Parish. Kind of a hint when his nickname is Iron John! Nice guy but I would much rather have him beside me than in front of me facing me.

Hu
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My parents live in a small northern community. Logging is one of the biggest industries. Loggers are know to quite rough, especially in northern Canada.

Every small town has a few locals known to "acquire" equipment. And never enough evidence to prosecute, what you know and what you can prove are two different things.

One day the local lumber mill has their generators and equipment go missing. Police say thwy know who probably did but cannot do anything. The owner is big fella who has been logging for 30+ years. He walks the through the mill, tells two of the workers to walk with him. The three of them make a show of walking through town, get to suspected house, kick in the door drag the guys out and have "conversaion" that doesnt in many words. Funny thing, turns out the equipment was only borrowed and returned that day. Those feller's left town the next day and haven't returned. Also just so happens that even though this was done mid day in the middle of town, no one seems to have seen or recall it. Don't mess with the Loggers.

My Dad was an auto mechanic, now retired. Ver meticulous and trained to work on anthing. He use to work on some of HA's higher ups bikes before moving to that small northern town. HA stopped by to visit one day, and it got around town who my dad knew. Somone broke into his shop, used his tools to break into the store beside beside his shop, cleaned the tools put them all down nicely to show nothing was missing from the garage. They robbed the store next door. Police commented on how odd it was the thieves treated Dads tools so respectfully. My parents never had any trouble up there.
 
i have a one piece Duffering. replaced the tip and added a roll down grip. It’s not “purddy”. It’s not expensive. It just beats the hell out of alL of those two piece Mona Lisa’s the rest of you are carrying around.
 
boogieman said:
I remember my report cards in elementary school. Very good grades, but always contained the sentences:

"Does not play well with others." and
"Lacks respect for authority."

Some experts are exactly that, experts. Some claiming to be experts, some even with disciples... but "they ain't know sheeiiiet." Many just bluff good enough to get the uninitiated to believe them. I've seen a few local instructors like this.

Lack's respect for authority usually was usually included due to a well calibrated bullshit detector that worked on adults. The does not play well with others is because if someone started shit I would finish it. Mainly when someone was bullying a weak kid I would intervene, which usually ended up with fighting. Not on my behalf, but who would have guessed that a bully doesn't want to appear weak by backing down from torturing some scrawny kid?
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For every 1 "expert" there are 9 probably fake experts, snake oil salesmen, spivs. 😁

garczar said:
I stole that line from the final episode of 'Rescue Me', still to this day one of the funniest fkng tv shows ever.
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Just love Denis. Haven't gotten round to watch rescue me , too many episodes 90.

 
Still want to shoot said:
I have read a decent amount of threads since i have joined these forums. And I find it funny as hell seeing people argue with cue builders when they do not know what they are talking about. Maybe it is just a matter of the way you word things, or maybe people are that full of themselves. I think it would be easier and more conducive to ask questions, listen and have a discussion. Certainly not as entertaining for me. lol. But I am sure it is not as much fun for the cue builders.

Our company does consulting and teaches classes worldwide as well as selling products to support our consulting.
One of the hardest lessens i had to learn was the phrase " i do not know, but i will find out" And be honest with the customer.
Oh, and i am not a pool cue expert either. Our business is wastewater.
I just felt like sharing. It is entertaining. and that is what we are here for right?
Dan
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I've found the less someone talks the more knowledgeable they are.
 
Jimmy_Betmore said:
Short attention spans, lackluster reading comprehension, and ego are three of the main culprits to this. If it makes you feel any better it's prevalent in the vast majority of online forums.
  1. Many people get all the information they "need" from a single sentence or headline.
  2. When folks do take the time to actually read the entire post, they often times don't fully understand the post as a whole. This results in picking and choosing phrases and sentences from the post that bring forth the most emotion to them.
  3. People who continuously argue with experts typically lack the ability to accept they don't know everything and/or they could have bad information. This prevents them from shutting the hell up and just listening.
I'm sure I've done it to some extent at some point, particularly back when I used to drink on the regs. But I quit drinking and now I try to always remember the line, "You learn a lot more by listening than you do by talking."
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We tend to absorb the things we read that follow our own perception and bias. Cherry picking. Anything else just doesn't register. Heuristics. That's why so many people talk like sound bites. You can't learn new things if you don't know how to listen.
People may think I'm an idiot, but be damned if I'm gonna open my mouth and remove all doubt!! 😁
 
garczar said:
You can't hide in a poolroom. Pool-detectives/lurkers/knock artists all get their nitty asses kicked out sooner or later. On-line you can hide behind your keyboard in mom's basement while you sweat Lithuanian midget porn and eat Cheeto's. Its not my site or call to make but some of the true troll 'artistes' should just be banned for life. I can be and often am a complete a-hole to those i think are just burning bandwidth but i also think i bring some degree(tiny at times i know) of knowledge/insight to the forum. Here lately the one's that chap my ass are those who use AZB for one thing and that is to do NOTHING but price/value crap cues they find in pawn shops/SalvArmy/thrift stores. Go get a life trolls.
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Compared to the depth of knowledge you have about this game garczar, if you put theirs' in a gnat's ass, it would rattle like a BB in a Boxcar.
 
Mensabum said:
We tend to absorb the things we read that follow our own perception and bias. Cherry picking. Anything else just doesn't register. Heuristics. That's why so many people talk like sound bites. You can't learn new things if you don't know how to listen.
People may think I'm an idiot, but be damned if I'm gonna open my mouth and remove all doubt!! 😁
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If I miss the consensus I'm like "What kind of expert don't even know correct?!?"
 
ShootingArts said:
Good advice is where you find it. Major league baseball is a fine example. No idea now I don't keep up with baseball. When I did, the batting coaches and the base coaches had never been superstars. What they had been were very good journeymen. Maybe less natural talent made them have to work harder and the good ones could convey what they had learned the hard way.

We all have to decide what advice is good for us. I think I was rounding out a book order to get free shipping or something, I bought a book that I believe was titled "Finding the Zone" or something similar. The book was written by a PhD, maybe a MD. The book had value in other areas and I didn't begrudge the few dollars spent on it but it became obvious that the author had never been in the zone or recognized it if he was there. His idea of the zone was to be fully physically and mentally prepared. A good foundation for the zone but almost nothing to do with the zone. I passed the book on with the warning to ignore everything said about the zone. It was the blind leading the blind and it was invested with the authority of his PhD, who would dare disagree with this expert.

Hu
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Not many find it or know how to.
Brave souls who tried and succeeded are often leery of exposing themselves to all the recrimination by trying to help those who aren't able to use the info properly in the first place. Most are unwilling or unable to take it to that level. If it was easy, everyone would be a champion.
 
Mensabum said:
We tend to absorb the things we read that follow our own perception and bias. Cherry picking. Anything else just doesn't register. Heuristics. That's why so many people talk like sound bites. You can't learn new things if you don't know how to listen.
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Totally agree with this. I just tried to find the episode you reminded me of, but can't. There was an episode of real time with bill maher a few years back discussing something similar.
At the time i was trying to figure out how friends i had known for 25 years had lost thier minds. The episode talks about people going down the rabbit hole. Believing falsehoods and taking them as fact, all it takes is one. then they are viewing everything else through that belief, and they continue to fall into the hole.
It's how people end up on facebook ranting about pizzagate and jfk jr.
Unfortunately algorithims on social media do the cherry picking for them and suggest stuff for them to read or watch. continuing the spiral down.
 
Still want to shoot said:
Totally agree with this. I just tried to find the episode you reminded me of, but can't. There was an episode of real time with bill maher a few years back discussing something similar.
At the time i was trying to figure out how friends i had known for 25 years had lost thier minds. The episode talks about people going down the rabbit hole. Believing falsehoods and taking them as fact, all it takes is one. then they are viewing everything else through that belief, and they continue to fall into the hole.
It's how people end up on facebook ranting about pizzagate and jfk jr.
Unfortunately algorithims on social media do the cherry picking for them and suggest stuff for them to read or watch. continuing the spiral down.
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If it agrees with their internal dialogue, a person will filter everything else out that doesn't and can convince themselves of the most ridiculous stuff. Others can see it but they can't themselves. Denial and rationalization are powerful tools for the ignorant.
 
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