Argument/Forfeit at Predator World 14.1 Championship
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Wow, this thread has really taken off. I had seen it yesterday and was totally surprised when I heard the names mentioned in the brouhaha. 
I do not know Stevie Moore, but have heard great things about him in recent times from others who do know him. Besides, in my book, he's from the South, which gives him a gold star, because you know what they say about those Southern gentlemen!
However, I do know Bob Maidhoff and have seen him many times in the past few years, mostly as a pool room owner of Drexeline Billiards in Drexel Hills, PA. He opens his room up on weekends and hosts MANY regional tournaments. Drexeline Billiards is actually one of my favorites, no alcohol, low-volume and easy-listening music, excellent equipment and lighting, ambrosial food, CLEAN bathrooms, and incredible pool paraphernalia on display for all to enjoy.
I have seen him compete in tournaments on a couple of occasions, and he can play, doing fairly well in a Joss event at Turning Stone one year.
He is kind of a quiet, unassuming-type guy, and is definitely one of pool's greatest supporters. Of course, I was not there to see this "incident," but I cannot imagine Bob Maidhoff fouling and not calling it on himself. He is a gentleman's gentleman, if you will, and has integrity, something that I don't see in all pool players. Though this alleged foul incident is sad, one way to look at it is that there can be a Lessons Learned here to be had for future events.
As a suggestion on the referee situation, at the IPT event in Vegas, they had a huge field, I think 200 players. In the beginning, they assigned one referee to four tables, which actually seemed pretty effective. I did witness some players receive fouls, point penalities, and even disqualifications on various rule infractions.
I only have a few pictures of Bob in my collection. One of my all-time favorite tropheys came from Bob Maidhoff's pool room, Drexeline Billiards, at a Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour event. Here's a picture of Keith McCready, Drexeline Billiards owner Bob Maidhoff, and Allen Hopkins!
Long live Bob Maidhoff. His contributions to this pool world is phenomenal, and pool definitely needs more folks just like him!
JAM
I do not know Stevie Moore, but have heard great things about him in recent times from others who do know him. Besides, in my book, he's from the South, which gives him a gold star, because you know what they say about those Southern gentlemen!
However, I do know Bob Maidhoff and have seen him many times in the past few years, mostly as a pool room owner of Drexeline Billiards in Drexel Hills, PA. He opens his room up on weekends and hosts MANY regional tournaments. Drexeline Billiards is actually one of my favorites, no alcohol, low-volume and easy-listening music, excellent equipment and lighting, ambrosial food, CLEAN bathrooms, and incredible pool paraphernalia on display for all to enjoy.
I have seen him compete in tournaments on a couple of occasions, and he can play, doing fairly well in a Joss event at Turning Stone one year.
He is kind of a quiet, unassuming-type guy, and is definitely one of pool's greatest supporters. Of course, I was not there to see this "incident," but I cannot imagine Bob Maidhoff fouling and not calling it on himself. He is a gentleman's gentleman, if you will, and has integrity, something that I don't see in all pool players. Though this alleged foul incident is sad, one way to look at it is that there can be a Lessons Learned here to be had for future events.
As a suggestion on the referee situation, at the IPT event in Vegas, they had a huge field, I think 200 players. In the beginning, they assigned one referee to four tables, which actually seemed pretty effective. I did witness some players receive fouls, point penalities, and even disqualifications on various rule infractions.
I only have a few pictures of Bob in my collection. One of my all-time favorite tropheys came from Bob Maidhoff's pool room, Drexeline Billiards, at a Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour event. Here's a picture of Keith McCready, Drexeline Billiards owner Bob Maidhoff, and Allen Hopkins!
Long live Bob Maidhoff. His contributions to this pool world is phenomenal, and pool definitely needs more folks just like him!
JAM
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I know the German League system is all ball fouls in all three games 8-ball 9-ball and 14.1 matches are held every saturday and sunday from August to April, with a break over Christmas. No referees at any of the events, you can as in any case call someone over to watch a particular shot. I played three years and there were no real bad arguments that made anybody quit, a match that would have been bad sportsmanship and that is frowned upon. they take pool serious.
I know the German League system is all ball fouls in all three games 8-ball 9-ball and 14.1 matches are held every saturday and sunday from August to April, with a break over Christmas. No referees at any of the events, you can as in any case call someone over to watch a particular shot. I played three years and there were no real bad arguments that made anybody quit, a match that would have been bad sportsmanship and that is frowned upon. they take pool serious.
It's a shame when this kind of thing happens and casts at least a small cloud over a great event.
I'm an all foul all the time guy. Here in China, that's just the way it is at any level above just plain banger whether in a tournament with referees or a casual game at a pool room. Saving face is such a big issue here that nobody wants to be know as a cheat so people are very careful not to foul but routinely call fouls on themselves if they do.
Below is a picture I took at the recent China ranking tournament in Shanghai. Note the referees. They used one for every two tables on all five days of the tournament.
I'm an all foul all the time guy. Here in China, that's just the way it is at any level above just plain banger whether in a tournament with referees or a casual game at a pool room. Saving face is such a big issue here that nobody wants to be know as a cheat so people are very careful not to foul but routinely call fouls on themselves if they do.
Below is a picture I took at the recent China ranking tournament in Shanghai. Note the referees. They used one for every two tables on all five days of the tournament.
HIRUN526 said:
I, as well as many others will disagree with you on this. Bob stood up for what he believed in, not something many people in this world do. I have the utmost respect for someone that does this. I'd like to think I'd have done the same thing when my integrity and fair play is questioned (not once --- but twice according to the accounts).
I think Bob gained a helluva lot more than he lost.
Craig
GADawg said:(snip)
Below is a picture I took at the recent China ranking tournament in Shanghai. Note the referees. They used one for every two tables on all five days of the tournament.
I say, Note the camera!
With video recording as cheap as it's gonna get, why don't players carry their cameras with them and record every match so these things can be reviewed by a ref and then confirmed or not.
Much cheaper and easier than an expensive group of refs.
fwiw,
Jeff Livingston
Irish634 said:
Looked at another way.. standing up for what he believed in by refusing to allow himself to give in and give the other guy the game/match might be seen as the way of integrity. Not saying he should have but I wonder which displays more integrity. Not sure but I think I like not giving it up.
I don't know Bob but in that situation I wonder if a guy might give it up like that because he'd maybe be afraid he'd hurt somebody if he didn't get out of there.
Well hopefully some future good can come out of the situation.
Even if it is years down the road.
NO player should be subjected to being badgered by an opponent.
As far as i'm concerned, the INSTANT a player starts in with that crap, they should be expelled from the tournament.
Unfortunately, you would think that in a tournament that is being billed as a world championship, that there would be safeguards against this sort of behavior.
Some players have no class whatsoever, and they don't do SQUAT for pool as a profession in the long run.
Even if it is years down the road.
NO player should be subjected to being badgered by an opponent.
As far as i'm concerned, the INSTANT a player starts in with that crap, they should be expelled from the tournament.
Unfortunately, you would think that in a tournament that is being billed as a world championship, that there would be safeguards against this sort of behavior.
Some players have no class whatsoever, and they don't do SQUAT for pool as a profession in the long run.
Stevie's name has been slandered in this thread enough, and I feel that I need to say some things in his defense.
I don't know what happened, but I'm not going to slander anyone's name until I get the facts. I don't know Bob, but from what I hear and read he is an upstanding guy. I know that Stevie is as well. I also know that in the heat of battle sometimes things get out of hand. But I have seen Stevie play several hundred matches, and I have never seen him flag, jarr, or intentionally shark anyone. He takes defeat as well as anyone I have ever seen play.
People in this thread have mentioned thing like "no class, getting what he deserves, and no integrity". I've known Stevie since he was 15 years old. He is one of the most honest people that I know. I assure that his integrity is not in question to anyone that knows him. And as far as Bob "leaving before he hurts someone", I don't think that Stevie would let that bother him. He can take care of himself.
This is an unfortunate situation. I hope it is resolved so the tournament can be remembered for the great event that it is.
Mike
I don't know what happened, but I'm not going to slander anyone's name until I get the facts. I don't know Bob, but from what I hear and read he is an upstanding guy. I know that Stevie is as well. I also know that in the heat of battle sometimes things get out of hand. But I have seen Stevie play several hundred matches, and I have never seen him flag, jarr, or intentionally shark anyone. He takes defeat as well as anyone I have ever seen play.
People in this thread have mentioned thing like "no class, getting what he deserves, and no integrity". I've known Stevie since he was 15 years old. He is one of the most honest people that I know. I assure that his integrity is not in question to anyone that knows him. And as far as Bob "leaving before he hurts someone", I don't think that Stevie would let that bother him. He can take care of himself.
This is an unfortunate situation. I hope it is resolved so the tournament can be remembered for the great event that it is.
Mike
Soapbox time 
First, I don't see where the term "World Championship" has anything to do with refs. It's a marketing term to draw a better field, please sponsors, and hopefully get more spectators. If they had the money, I'm sure they'd love to have refs.....but, at this level, you wouldn't expect to have to need them.
Second, plenty of people on here and in society romanticize and promote cheating, stealing, and husling, so why is anybody surprised this type of punk move would happen at a big event. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, and I'm disappointed to not be surprised.
Third, tie goes to the runner.....if the player clearly feels they didn't foul, and a spectator agrees, then they didn't foul...period.
Fourth, anybody remember the tennis matches between Chris Everett and Martina.....although they were sometimes boring and I'm not a big fan of women's tennis.....if the ref called a ball out on Chris, and Martina clearly felt it was in, she gave her the point to do the right thing....that was true sportsmanship, and often in the finals of a huge tourney. These days, professional atheletes would rather accept a point that wasn't theres - "hey, even if it was in, the ref called it out, and it's the refs call"......pansies
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First, I don't see where the term "World Championship" has anything to do with refs. It's a marketing term to draw a better field, please sponsors, and hopefully get more spectators. If they had the money, I'm sure they'd love to have refs.....but, at this level, you wouldn't expect to have to need them.
Second, plenty of people on here and in society romanticize and promote cheating, stealing, and husling, so why is anybody surprised this type of punk move would happen at a big event. Unfortunately, I'm not surprised, and I'm disappointed to not be surprised.
Third, tie goes to the runner.....if the player clearly feels they didn't foul, and a spectator agrees, then they didn't foul...period.
Fourth, anybody remember the tennis matches between Chris Everett and Martina.....although they were sometimes boring and I'm not a big fan of women's tennis.....if the ref called a ball out on Chris, and Martina clearly felt it was in, she gave her the point to do the right thing....that was true sportsmanship, and often in the finals of a huge tourney. These days, professional atheletes would rather accept a point that wasn't theres - "hey, even if it was in, the ref called it out, and it's the refs call"......pansies
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crawfish said:
Which is exactly why there should be measures in place so that this type of situation doesn't happen.
That way, you have a third party watching and it doesn't become about the players and their character and who is or isn't a stand up guy, but instead, becomes about the game and it's rules, and the type of scenario that is depicted in this thread is a non issue.
I agree about Stevie. His name has been slandered here and that's not fair.
I have never met the man. The only time I've ever seen him was last night, playing Ralf Souquet. Ralf was running a lot of balls and I was watching Stevie. He was sitting very politely in his chair, legs folded, trying to be a total non-presence to Ralf. He wasn't moving, getting aggravated as the run went on, or anything. As soon as I saw that I felt he's gotten a totally unfair shake in this thread.
It looked like he would be an absolute pleasure to play with. Once words start between two guys, that's another matter. None of us, apparently, was there.
This thread should die, and imo be replaced with a discussion on All-Ball-Fouls.
- Steve
I have never met the man. The only time I've ever seen him was last night, playing Ralf Souquet. Ralf was running a lot of balls and I was watching Stevie. He was sitting very politely in his chair, legs folded, trying to be a total non-presence to Ralf. He wasn't moving, getting aggravated as the run went on, or anything. As soon as I saw that I felt he's gotten a totally unfair shake in this thread.
It looked like he would be an absolute pleasure to play with. Once words start between two guys, that's another matter. None of us, apparently, was there.
This thread should die, and imo be replaced with a discussion on All-Ball-Fouls.
- Steve
Mike Templeton said:
I agree with you on this Mike. Like I said earlier, I have known Stevie for a long time and I do not think he would intentionally call a foul for no reason. People are saying that Bob did the right thing by quitting, I disagree with that. Look how many times Earl has just up and quit....it only hurts the one that gives up and the sport. JMO.
Southpaw