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I vote for a new sub forum...
"The Pissing Contest"
While the debates usually contain some good information and, to some extent, entertainment, they become tiresome.
I could ignore them, but it's like a train wreck....hard to completely ignore...
For my part I'll introduce this. It's a chart showing atmospheric properties and the difference between sea level and 25000 ft. Unless I'm mistaken, it's about 9 psi. I don't think that is enough to do much to any cue, much less cause it to explode or even crack.
I'm still not taking you to Aragawa Thomas. At least not until I can afford to take your wife, Jerry, and Jan as well...
"The Pissing Contest"
While the debates usually contain some good information and, to some extent, entertainment, they become tiresome.
I could ignore them, but it's like a train wreck....hard to completely ignore...
For my part I'll introduce this. It's a chart showing atmospheric properties and the difference between sea level and 25000 ft. Unless I'm mistaken, it's about 9 psi. I don't think that is enough to do much to any cue, much less cause it to explode or even crack.
I'm still not taking you to Aragawa Thomas. At least not until I can afford to take your wife, Jerry, and Jan as well...
This will go on for an eternity especially when the resident, premier and pompous know-it-all is involved. And, I'm getting sick from popcorn.
That's not only funny but it's a good idea.
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Is it possible that the Delta T between take off and mid air flight cracked a piece of wood that had too much moisture content, and not some epoxy filled pressure chamber gremlin...!
Aloha
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
Aloha
Now back to your regularly scheduled program.
There you go using common sense. Most airlines compartments are only partially
heated by circulating cabin air. Designated ones are electrically heated.
(That's were the pets go.) Your cue goes where it fits.
Mahalo Steve for that... What the hell was I thinking? Musta been da menehune den!
Rajah dat...
Aloha
Rajah dat...
Aloha
Give that man a cigar! Cuban.
You guys are all crazy, a little Elmer glue and a rubberband, that's all you need. Holy shit, I just wasted an hour of my life I'll never get back looking up the definitions of some of these words. Holy hell!!!!!!
RBC
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Well, I understand that Thomas can have a rough edge to him. But, if you can let that part go and look a little deeper, you'll usually find brilliance.
In this case he's absolutely right.
He is and probably always will be ahead of the curve when it comes to cue art and the methods to produce it. He was doing things that many feel is cutting edge 20 years ago. Long before all the internet sharing that we have today. Back then you just had to come up with it on your own.
Royce
Still a fan of Thomas Wayne, even though he can be a real butt on the internet.
I have no idea who is correct as I haven't read anything Rick or Tom posted. It's to the point that when I see both in a thread, it's only for entertainment value and nothing else.
I don't think Tom is interested in contributing anything useful as he is obsessed with anything Rick posts. Yes, obsessed.
In post 51, Hightower made a simple statement and then asked Tom for his opinion. Tom posted a reply to Ricks post 10 minutes later (post 52) so he was online at the same more or less time even with being in a different time zone. Tom totally ignored Hightower's remark and question because Tom was so wrapped up in being Tom. He is so obsessed at exposing Rick for whatever he thinks Rick is or does that he contributes nothing useful anymore. Then Rick comments on Tom's post and Tom goes on his tirade once again in post 60. It appears Rick is Tom's sole purpose for being on AZ.
I won't debate him nor will I get caught up in his infantile tirades no matter how right or wrong I may think he is. He resorts to name calling, innuendo and he certainly has more time on his his hands than he knows what to do with. If he was so "renowned" he would have a line waiting for his cues. That's not the case.
Tom, you're the best, most wonderful and smartest guy we all know and love. Please tell us more about yourself and please include stuff about Rick too. We're all waiting to hear.
You know, Joe, I read your above post and can't help but laugh. Your first post to this thread was obviously in support of Rick and also was an effort to denigrate me. Ignoring your personal insults, I asked you your opinion of Rick's premise. Your original reason for entering the thread was to stir the crap and take cheap shots at me, and in spite of being politely asked twice you still won't address the actual cue construction question at the core of the debate.
From everything I can see about you - here and on-line - you thrive on denigrating others. Anyone who disagrees with you, or competes in business with you, or fails to share your political views - or simply for reasons known only to you - becomes a target for your nasty vitriolic attacks.
Your entire above post is all about me and how I supposedly came into this thread for the sole reason of picking on Rick, and how I supposedly refused to answer a perfectly fair question about cue construction.
So what makes me laugh about that post is it's an EXACT description of your behavior. You came into this tread to take pot shots at me, and you won't answer a very simple question that addresses the very heart of this debate.
But I'm a patient guy, so I'll try again:
Rick contends that an A-joint assembled using fast setting epoxy can "build up hydraulic potential", and that after the epoxy has cured the "hydraulic potential" can remain in the cue. He further contends that such a cue can (and has) suffered failure at the A-joint when subjected to the lower air pressure in an unpressurized baggage hold. He explains that the "hydraulic potential" remaining in and around the cured epoxy of that A-joint will react to a pressure drop of 6 - 9 psi by cracking or otherwise failing due solely to the unexpected pressure differential.
You chose to inject yourself in this debate, so rather than waste time criticizing me personally why don't you offer us your opinion on the salient point being debated. Surely as the author of a series of cuemaking instructional videos, purveyor of all things cuemaking related, and self-appointed expert on the craft you must have an opinion on the matter.
Do you agree with Rick's "hydraulic potential" assertion or not?
TW
Those capped ferrules with 5-minute epoxy must be exploding in flight .
No kidding ?
So do all A-joints . They all have glue channel or bleed hole .
Once it pops, that pressure is gone .
Epoxy does not expand with age either. It shrinks .
If there is pressure in there, it wouldn't shrink .
Thousands of cues have been flown .
How many times have you heard of some story about epoxy imploding in flight ?
Looks like only one here. And the maker is dead and can't refute it .
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RBC
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Kim
Hydraulic pressure requires the component to still be liquid. The pressure you apply to one end of the hydraulic system will be transferred to the other end. That's what hydraulics are all about, using a liquid to work by applying pressure to it and then plumbing it out to where you want to do the work.
Once the liquid becomes a solid, then it can no longer transfer any pressure. It has to be able to move to transfer the pressure, and a solid can't move.
The pressure that Rick is really talking about is an air or pneumatic pressure. Air pressure could get trapped there and would still be there if it was trapped.
I don't believe a cue will trap pressure. It's just too porous and it won't hold air pressure.
I also believe that the amount of pressure would so small that it couldn't possibly cause the issues described. Not to mention that the cargo hold of the plane is actually pressurized after all. Completely eliminating the entire scenario anyway.
This whole thing is completely stupid. But I just can't let the unsuspecting reader not get the whole picture so he can choose which way he thinks is right.
Royce
Thank you for making my points in that you have entirely way too much time on your hands. It's not always all about you. You're obsessed with Rick and you still haven't answered Hightower's question when he politely asked for your opinion.
The only thing that matters to you is denigrating Rick and anyone who disagrees with you. You must always prove that you're always correct. We all know that's not correct. No one else matters nor do you value anyone's questions or opinion except your own.
Your remarks about Rick's statements are not a "debate" as you call it but a self indulgence to prove others wrong so you can elevate yourself.
I'm sorry but I don't want any part of your world nor your twisted mind and self righteousness. Thank you for wanting my valued opinion but unlike you, I don't have the time nor the inclination to participate in something when you're involved.
I'll opt out of this obsession and madness of yours that you insist on calling a "debate". I think you should opt out too.
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Send them to me.
You don't have to like him and I don't think he is out to win any "kindest guy on the block awards" when it comes to his opinion.
What you have to do is acknowledge a few things.
1) his work speaks for itself
2) he's usually correct about everything he says.
3) if you look to your left and right on AZ, I doubt you'll find someone of his status rushing to post their knowledge here. In fact, name me more than one. Why? Because, from who I know, the top guys HATE the internet. When they started it was alot of crash and burn. If you were lucky, you befriended one or two makers and they shared some knowledge. You know what? They have a really good point. Nearly everything they learned and paid for with time and money is now readily available with a few key strokes.
4)Arrogant or not, he offers up good info.
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