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Catalin

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I recently watched again the game between Shane and Aloysius at the 2021 US Open and the time foul called on Shane.

I say that if the player has an extension available and they run out of time, the extension should be automatic without the need for the player to request it. Prove me wrong.

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Catalin said:
I recently watched again the game between Shane and Aloysius at the 2021 US Open and the time foul called on Shane.

I say that if the player has an extension available and they run out of time, the extension should be automatic without the need for the player to request it. Prove me wrong.

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Agreed. I'd go a step farther and make it a time bank, so anything unused carries over. Each player gets a 30sec time bank for extensions that they can use as they see fit throughout the rack without having to request. But once it's out, it's out.
 
Rocket354 said:
Agreed. I'd go a step farther and make it a time bank, so anything unused carries over. Each player gets a 30sec time bank for extensions that they can use as they see fit throughout the rack without having to request. But once it's out, it's out.
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Too much for the player to keep track of. You don't need to be trying to keep track of your shot clock, and trying to remember how much the extra time you have. There's already too much to think about when you're playing in a nerve-racking match
 
Catalin said:
I recently watched again the game between Shane and Aloysius at the 2021 US Open and the time foul called on Shane.

I say that if the player has an extension available and they run out of time, the extension should be automatic without the need for the player to request it. Prove me wrong.

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Tough to prove an opinion wrong. I'll go ahead and disagree though. It's all part of time management.
 
Automatic extension is common, but not always in use. The rules are generally posted on the event website and are usually reviewed in the players meeting.

if you are suggesting that automatic extension become the standardized rule for matches played on the shot clock, that’s fine by me, but that said, pool has never been very good at standardizing either equipment or rules.
 
buckshotshoey said:
Too much for the player to keep track of. You don't need to be trying to keep track of your shot clock, and trying to remember how much the extra time you have. There's already too much to think about when you're playing in a nerve-racking match
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I figured it would be less for them to keep track of. Right now, players have to keep track of their clock on every shot. They have to interrupt their flow to call an extension if they think they're going to go over by even a second. And then it's gone, so if another decision point comes up they have to rush it, even though they were supposedly permitted an extra 30 seconds. You can have a time bank that's visible and automatically rolls over, reducing the management a player has to engage in for just about every shot. And open the game up to better thought-out shots.

And, lastly, if it's "too much" for a player to manage, well they can play as if they have no extension time left (like they would in a current match). Problem solved.
 
sjm said:
Automatic extension is common, but not always in use. The rules are generally posted on the event website and are usually reviewed in the players meeting.
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I think that carom has moved from a beeper starting at five seconds left to automatic extension. I think the beeper might be turned back on if there are no extensions left.
 
easy-e said:
Tough to prove an opinion wrong. I'll go ahead and disagree though. It's all part of time management.
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I don't think the time management aspect of it would change much. Players still need to be aware of the shot clock and whether they have an extension or not. They can still call an extention in advance when they know that they need more time. They would just not be penalized when they don't.

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Catalin said:
I recently watched again the game between Shane and Aloysius at the 2021 US Open and the time foul called on Shane.

I say that if the player has an extension available and they run out of time, the extension should be automatic without the need for the player to request it. Prove me wrong.

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Uses of extensions can be strategic, just like the use of timeouts in other sports.

Maybe he didn't take his extension because he wanted to save it. Maybe he assessed the situation and felt that he didn't have any great options, in which case the extension word have been wasted.

The officials should never interfer with possible strategy.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Uses of extensions can be strategic, just like the use of timeouts in other sports.

Maybe he didn't take his extension because he wanted to save it. Maybe he assessed the situation and felt that he didn't have any great options, in which case the extension word have been wasted.

The officials should never interfer with possible strategy.
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In theory, yes, but it's not easy to imagine a position where you'd be willing to give up ball in hand (the penalty for a shot clock expiration foul) to save your extension.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Uses of extensions can be strategic, just like the use of timeouts in other sports.

Maybe he didn't take his extension because he wanted to save it. Maybe he assessed the situation and felt that he didn't have any great options, in which case the extension word have been wasted.

The officials should never interfer with possible strategy.
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As I recall, Shane said he did call for an extension, but the ref didn't hear it.
 
Arguing over the shot clock will help identify people that can't count to time easily.

This is a good thread. Counting while aiming is a desired development.

Controlling duration of a match is a fun discussion. Even if its been said already.
 
sjm said:
... it's not easy to imagine a position where you'd be willing to give up ball in hand (the penalty for a shot clock expiration foul) to save your extension.
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I can't think of any. Just tap the cue ball at the start of your inning -- save everybody some time and save your extension.
 
sjm said:
In theory, yes, but it's not easy to imagine a position where you'd be willing to give up ball in hand (the penalty for a shot clock expiration foul) to save your extension.
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I don't think it is a likely scenario, but imagine a shot where you are almost sure to foul, but disturbing any balls would result in a much easier out for your opponent. You aren't likely doing yourself much off a favor, but you might have a slightly better opportunity. Sometimes it comes to grasping at straws.
 
sjm said:
In theory, yes, but it's not easy to imagine a position where you'd be willing to give up ball in hand (the penalty for a shot clock expiration foul) to save your extension.
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I think ball in hand is too big of a penalty for running out of time. I was thinking that the incoming player could take over the shot but it wouldn't work. If you hooked a a guy and he got a time foul you would have to shoot out of your hook. Maybe 2 time fouls gets you a ball in hand penalty?
 
AtLarge said:
As I recall, Shane said he did call for an extension, but the ref didn't hear it.
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Even though I was there, maybe my memory is failing me here, but I thought the problem was that Shane didn't hear the referee's "ten-seconds left to shoot" warning, and the dispute concerned whether the warning had been given at all.
 
tomatoshooter said:
I think ball in hand is too big of a penalty for running out of time. I was thinking that the incoming player could take over the shot but it wouldn't work. If you hooked a a guy and he got a time foul you would have to shoot out of your hook. Maybe 2 time fouls gets you a ball in hand penalty?
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Yeah, that would be one way to handle it, but this rule goes back to the 1990s at least.
 
sjm said:
Yeah, that would be one way to handle it, but this rule goes back to the 1990s at least.
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Yeah, it's not that big of a deal either way. Some people call their extension immediately if it looks like they will need it, instead of keeping it for later. I think the benefit of taking the extension immediately instead of waiting or saving is you can then put it out of your mind and focus on the shot.
 
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