Av. APA Skill Level?

I think the confusion is from what they start an unknown at. The starting skill level can be anything and I think the LO can tweak it at his or her discretion (if, say, efren decided to join the APA tomorrow they probably will start him as a 5 at least lol).

Once a player has several games under his or her belt, they settle into their true skill rating. While the handicapping formula is unknown, I doubt they tweak it to make a winning female's average go up less quickly than an equally winning male.
 
I believe that males all start at SL4 and females all start at SL3, everywhere, unless there is precedent to having them start at a higher Skill Level.

That's how it works here, don't remember seeing it spelled out in the APA materials that I've read, but I believe this to be true. APAOperator?
 
jdxprs said:
always assume a girl 4 shoots like a 5, and a 5 shoots like a 6 and so on.

women are kept lower because they want to keep the league as a social gathering.
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lol what?

The "equaligiratorizer" system factors in sex?

lmao
 
In the league that I play in, abut 35% of the players are 4's and about 35% of the players are 3's.

I agree with justadub on the fact that both men and women are both failry handicapped regardless of the skill level.

The APA team manual says that the average man is a 4 so they start as a 4 and the average female is a 3 so that is why they start as a 3. After that 1st week, it then becomes based on your matches played.

In our area new players will also start in as 5's and 6's if that is what thier true ability is. A captain is required to identify where a new player is likekly to be after 10 matches and then they start at that level. If a player goes up mare than 2 levels (ie starts as a 5 and goes to a 7 in less than 10 weeks) then our L.O. takes those points away.

ur players really like that becaues ity means that enw players are fairly handicapped right out of the gate.
 
LeagueGuy said:
In our area new players will also start in as 5's and 6's if that is what thier true ability is. A captain is required to identify where a new player is likekly to be after 10 matches and then they start at that level. If a player goes up mare than 2 levels (ie starts as a 5 and goes to a 7 in less than 10 weeks) then our L.O. takes those points away.

ur players really like that becaues ity means that enw players are fairly handicapped right out of the gate.
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I like that rule and wish we had it around here. Every season there is a new player to the APA that loses his first match intentionally and drops to a 3 only to play a 7 the next week and beat him 2-0 in 3 innings.:mad:
 
Roy Steffensen said:
For us that have no experience with APA at all, how good is for example a SL5?

Can you describe the average joe being a SL5? how many run-outs, what kind of knowledge does this person have etc
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I think 'On Average' an SL5 takes about 3 to 4 innings at the table to finish a game. (Remembering that this is an average, on occasion.. they will break and run, while other times they may play bad position and have 6-innings)
 
i can't speak for everywhere but here in atlanta when we have what our lo calls his all star singles tourneys we get anywhere from 130 to 270 people show up and the largest section on the board is sl 5's, then 4's and 6's then 7's, 3's and 2's. again i can't speak for everywhere but around here alot of 5's are more than capable of running a rack, playing defense and squatting the rock. they are just not consistent enough to move up. i can attest to that. i am a 5 in 8 ball and probobly heading to a 6 any day now and just got bumped (again) to a 6 in 9 ball. if i play everyday and do some drills and work on the stroke i have shown up and demolished 7's and a 9 or two. if i haven't played in a week and would rather be outside on cool night firing up the grill and having a beer with my girl i am not beating a 4 who should really be a 2. just not consistent enough, or dedicated enough to put the time in right now.
 
justadub said:
Just over 1/3rd in our league are SL4, by far the biggest percentage.

Out of 90 players:
SL7 - 6
SL6 - 14
SL5 - 14
SL4 - 32
SL3 - 22
SL2 - 2

So far as the ladies: (out of that same group above)
SL4 - 7
SL3 - 11
SL2 - 2

Kind of interesting, I guess.
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Here's a handwaving way to consider the handicapping average.

In 8-ball, the handicaps range from 2-7. That's a 3.5 average. But, since most top players will not stick with the APA, then we can deduce that the leagues will be weighted to the bottom. So, a SL3 would be a good guess on the average.

In 9-ball, they range from 1-9. That's 4.5 average. By the same thought process above, we drop the average down and say it's a 4.

That's seems to be reality to the numbers people are reporting (by actual count, not by haphazard guesses).

Fred
 
Blackball75 said:
For 8-ball. I've heard different views on this. Some say it's SL4, others SL5.

Anyone know?

I know in my league, around 2/3 of all players are SLs 2-4.

Also, does anyone know if there is a difference between the average SL of men and women players?
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In my area its 25% skl 3, 26% skl 4 and 25% skl 5. Even though we have some very good skl 6's and skl 7's they comprise less than 20% of the league.

So in answer to your question the average APA player is probably a high skl 4. Which is about the same for the typical bar player who thinks they "play good." Most APA skl 5's would beat the avg bar player.
 
Roy Steffensen said:
For us that have no experience with APA at all, how good is for example a SL5?

Can you describe the average joe being a SL5? how many run-outs, what kind of knowledge does this person have etc
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This is so region dependent. You can consider an SL5 to be that player who is right on the brink of becoming a competent 8-ball player. They can run out if the table is open (but they often don't). They can play safe, but sometimes have trouble controlling the balls or seeing the "right" shot.

An SL3 is going to be that average ball-banger that you see taking his girlfriend to the poolroom on Friday night. After a few months of competitive play, he should be able to progress to an SL4.

An SL7 is hardest to gauge. They can range in skill from a B player to a regional shortstop.

It's easier to describe the skill levels in 9-ball. An SL8 and SL9 typically misses once every 3 or 4 racks. An SL7 might miss a shot every 1-2 racks. An SL5 might miss one or two shots per rack. An SL2 misses 6 or 7 shots per rack.
 
Thanks to all the posters who replied to my post! Much appreciated.

Wish we had some kind of league here too, to get the bangers involved more. We have mostly non-handicapped events...
 
Roy Steffensen said:
Thanks to all the posters who replied to my post! Much appreciated.

Wish we had some kind of league here too, to get the bangers involved more. We have mostly non-handicapped events...
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I wish we had more of those around here...wanna trade?
 
jdxprs...That's such a sexist comment. You can't really believe that...do you? :rotflmao1::killingme::shakehead:

I had the first female APA 7 in the nation. She was also an 8ball & 9ball national champion in the VNEA (and 2nd in Scotch Doubles)...all in the same year (she's in the VNEA Hall of Fame). She also played on a BCA national champion team, when she lived in CO.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

jdxprs said:
always assume a girl 4 shoots like a 5, and a 5 shoots like a 6 and so on.

women are kept lower because they want to keep the league as a social gathering.
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