Average number of games before a table should be recovered?

8cree

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I always just rolled the balls out and took ball in hand.

What does that have to do with "not driving our tables"? Do the shots not count as play if we don't break the balls?
Sure, and I do that too. But to intentionally not break racks to extend the life of your cloth just rubs me the wrong way. The break is an important part of the game and should be practiced as well. They do make "shark skins" protection pads to reduce break spot wear. I use one on my own table. Just struck me as odd and have never heard of such a thing, that's all.
 

jasonlaus

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Sure, and I do that too. But to intentionally not break racks to extend the life of your cloth just rubs me the wrong way. The break is an important part of the game and should be practiced as well. They do make "shark skins" protection pads to reduce break spot wear. I use one on my own table. Just struck me as odd and have never heard of such a thing, that's all.
I just never feel like taking the time to rack lol
 

Geosnookery

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I just never feel like taking the time to rack lol
Same here. Plus I don’t play at home as a chore to get better to play in league.

I play at home because it’s fun and relaxing in itself.

I’m amused by billiard players that are never ‘in the moment’ and all play must be geared toward some imaginary world championship. I enjoy ‘messing around on the table’. I’m also about to go leisurely ride my bicycle... no goal to win the Tour de France.
 
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Hoogaar

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Same here. Plus I don’t play at home as a chore to get better to play in league.

I play at home because it’s fun and relaxing in itself.

I’m amused by billiard players that are ever ‘in the moment’ and all play must be geared toward some imaginary world championship. I enjoy ‘messing around on the table’. I’m also about to go leisurely ride my bicycle... no goal to win the Tour de France.
Same. I'm in my 40s. My chances of going on tour have come and gone I think. I practice the odd thing here and there and do have hopes of improving a bit on the areas of my game that really suck (got my first ever home table almost a year ago) - but 95% of my table time is spreading balls on the table and listening to some good tunes.
 

Bob Jewett

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Bob, Howdy;

Have tried talking with them (VFW), but they don't sound to interested in spending any $'s to fix anything.
Tables will most likely crumble into dust and those ol'farts will still think they'll be fine. Sad.

hank
You need to print off the story about the time Bob Cannefax almost played Willie Hoppe and post it by the table as both an interesting billiard story and a hidden warning.

Some background.... Hoppe and Cannefax were both world champion carom billiard players. Cannefax had a wooden leg (but Bob, what's a wooden leg got to do with it?) and during matches he would occasionally take out his pocket knife and stab it into his wooden leg. I imagine this worked only once against each opponent.

So he's supposed to play Hoppe a match and the cloth is old and slow and Cannefax points that out and asks for the cloth to be changed. Hoppe disagrees and says the cloth is fine. Of course because Hoppe is Hoppe, the management sides with him. Cannefax pulls out his knife and slits the cloth down the middle. They change the cloth but Cannefax is DQed and never plays another pro match.

He died of tuberculosis at the age of 37. More info: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/69033582/robert-loren-cannefax and in one of Byrne's books.

I have run into such old farts in Elks clubs. One club had a couple of millionaires among the regular players but somehow the cloth didn't get changed until you could see the rubber in the rails. Also newcomers were made to understand very clearly that the club belonged to the older members and they didn't much enjoy seeing trespassers on their tables. I think that's a major reason that fraternal clubs like that are disappearing.
 

9ball5032

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Actually if you take the model of the cloth you can figure out its lifespan.

If its Simonis 860 and the table is for commercial use you take the first two numbers and add them up, which equals 14 months max.
If its for home use, you multiply the first two numbers, which gives you 48. 48 months max use.

:devilish:
 

ThinSlice

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Actually if you take the model of the cloth you can figure out its lifespan.

If its Simonis 860 and the table is for commercial use you take the first two numbers and add them up, which equals 14 months max.
If its for home use, you multiply the first two numbers, which gives you 48. 48 months max use.

:devilish:

Brilliant!


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Patrick Johnson

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He said they mainly play 9-Ball. Maybe you meant 15 hours for 150 games.
My guess of 3 games an hour (including delays) is probably low now that you mention it, but I think 10 an hour is pretty ambitious. Maybe 25 hours (6 games an hour)...

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fastone371

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I’ve had my Simonis covered table for 12 years. I play from a half hour to an hour 320 days a year.

Cloth is almost good as new. Dry, cool climate. Basement, so no direct sun light.

I break both ends. Move the rack around an inch or so. Never do jump shots or more than modest massés. No dropping balls on to the table or into the rack. No laying on the rails.

No drink or food anywhere near the table. I’m fastidious about keeping it clean.

I play on recently clothed tables now and then and don’t find they are any different than mine after a couple of weeks. My cloth should last another decade.
Wow, thats incredible. My Simonis 860 was due for replacement after about 3-4 years. No jumping or masses on my table either. I also vacuum it weekly, sometimes multiple times per week and I am careful to not chalk over the table. I dont break from both sides though. My wear is from the rack, I have lines going to the rack from breaking, and beyond that there are very noticeable lines in all of the rail grooves which are very noticeable a few inches from every pocket opening.
 

Bob Jewett

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My guess of 3 games an hour (including delays) is probably low now that you mention it, but I think 10 an hour is pretty ambitious. Maybe 25 hours (6 games an hour)...

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Back when I was running local tournaments, I figured 45 minutes for a race to six which was typically more than nine games. That boils down to about five minutes per game. The players were not champions but they weren't slow. Most could have played with a 15-second shot clock.
 
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