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Joe T said:
Koop I posted a list of people earlier in this thread that I thought should be contacted. If you or anybody else knows of anyone else that you think should be invited let me know.

Will do Joe. Sorry to say but I would have included Mark Ransom in this group but he is in the process of selling Renaissance. I believe someone took over the Killer B tour so that is a possibility as a stepping stone tour into the bigger ones. It is where Jason Michas and Chris Leal started out and they are doing quite well in the Joss events now.

Koop
 
Joe T said:
Koop I posted a list of people earlier in this thread that I thought should be contacted. If you or anybody else knows of anyone else that you think should be invited let me know.

Thanks to Mike here at Az he has a fairly extensive list of the tours from the main page. SHould be able to collect some good info from here.

http://www.azbilliards.com/2000tours.cfm

Koop
 
Joe T said:
Wow, Mark Griffin’s in on the discussion. Now we could be getting somewhere. Mark I have no past dealings with the leaders of our industry but if you give me some names or ideas of who you think should attend such a meeting I’ll attempt to contact them right away. In the meantime I would like to start a list of people we might want to attend.

Regional Tour leaders such as;
Mike Janis
Mike Zuglan
John Ditoro
Tom Kennedy and I’m not sure who’s heading up the Pechaur or Fury tours but I guess this is an open invitation to all tour leaders in the hopes of unity.

I would love to see someone from the APA or Tap organization on hand.

A few other people I think that would be interested and helpful in this kind of endeavor are;
Blackjack David Sapolis
Tony Annagoni
Mark Wilson
Grady Mathews and I hate to put him on the spot but Tony Robles would be a perfect player rep.
Bob Jewitt would be a definite plus
Bob & Edie Romano (already here)
Dawn & Allen Hopkins

We would also need to contact someone from major table manufactures and cue associations. Leonard you out there?

And somebody from the UPA of course.

It’s kind of short notice but let’s hope some of them were planning the trip anyways.

Okay I’m looking for contact information for.
John Ditoro
Tom Kennedy
Pechaur
Fury
APA bigshots
TAP “ “
Tony Annagoni
Mark Wilson
Cue and Table Manufacturers

I will invite Mike Janis, Mike Zuglan, Grady, Blackjack (already here) as soon as we are sure this is a go and have set a time and place. What days are best for you? I know I can't get away for the whole week.

How should I phrase such an invitation? You are cordially invited to the first meeting of the.
Azbilliards Pool Association (might have a problem with those initials)
The goal of the meeting is to unify as many separate groups as possible for the sake of our sports future and presentation?

And of course any azers that are interested in attending such an event would be welcome, that means you too Mike.

I’ll tell you right now that I’m not the most qualified of business men for this type of endeavor but I do a little common sense and a tremendous feel for how each level of players we have thinks and feels. I’m also very committed at home so I don’t have much free time but I would definitely stay up late if I was working with such a group of people.


For Fury Tour. That's Me Kay Higgins. My number is 877-328-7449 and I have been in touch with Mike Janis about this. Looking good.
Kay
 
Joe T said:
I’ll start with the unity. I totally agree, 110% ...

Maybe it’s not our job maybe it is the industries responsibility. But like Dave said, they don’t need us right now, they’re making their money elsewhere AND I don’t feel like sitting around, waiting for somebody (our industry) to do what should or could be done. Maybe, if we started this project ourselves, some of those industry people might look over their shoulder with curious eyes and wonder if they should get in now, while it’s affordable?

I can't help but speculate.

Say Joe T successfully creates this deal, despite vehement opposition from snippy famous cuemaker Joseph B. Schmaltzy, who sent many nasty personal letters to Joe in the beginning years, explaining why he was a stupid schmuck to ever dream it could work.... years later, success and glory, now Joseph B. Schmaltzy wants on the bandwagon, and starts tooting his own horn about how he knew all along it was a winner, he was in from the start, in fact (truth be known) it was His Idea From The Get-Go, and "somebody" hijacked his idea.

Joe T. says he is all for Unity.... but could he resist the urge to publish those letters to show up J. Blowhard Schmaltzy? All for the good of pool, could he swallow his pride and resist the forces of divisiveness?

Hmmmmmm. Most pool players haven't so far.
 
Joe T said:
Hey Frank, Mike Janis contacted me last night to share some info of that tour unification project that I had mentioned he was working on 3 years ago. The good news is that he is still working on it and already has several tours agreeing to unite. He's on his way to Vegas right now and asked me not to share any details of the plan as of yet but he's working on it!


Thats great
Dont forget the Pechaur Tour out here in the west. I met the directors of it and they are good people. Thats the only mini out here.
I have an idea for a SoCal Tour. Theres plenty of players.

It would be nice for the Mini-Tours to get aligned somehow but its my hope that an actual Pro Tour would spawn as well. Maybe getting the others all
on board is the key.
The good news is that people are talking and its fresh voices. I thought that
for many years it was the same people over and over doing the planning.

Others to consider for the meeting

Grady -- Maybe a smaller senior event at each Pro Tour one. Or arrange for
a couple senior players to attend and do a little guest commentary/ interview.
Its high time some of these guys got a little recognition. While very opinionated Grady has been around and has done his share to promote the sport.

Blud- Not sure if he can make it but he has been around and followed the
Camel Tour. His cue association might be a player as well.

J. Pechaur Tour- Steve Lingelbach and Carrissa Biggs
The West Coast Pechauer Tour is promoted and run by On The Wire Billiards. For more information about hosting, sponsoring, or participating in a tour stop please contact On The Wire by phone at (503) 674-8300 or email at onthewire@aol.com.
 
Mark Griffin said:
Joe T - please call me. I tried to send you a private message BUT your box is full?!?

Call at you r convenience - evenings is OK. Let's see if we can get something going here. Will talk to anyone about this - let's see if we can get this going somewhere.

Thanks

Mark Griffin
866-usa-pool (work)
812-987-1461 (cell

Joe T

Same thing. Tried to send a private message but your box is full.
Please give me a call at 386-208-0011. If I'm not in, leave your number and I will call you.
 
The major thing that everyone must consider in any type of unification attempt, is fairness. I would like to go on record as saying that I would not attempt this endeavor without the UPA. I am not anti-UPA, nor am I anti Charlie Williams. I realize that the UPA is an entity, not a personality. Charlie has had the BB's to have his name and his mug up front, and he has taken some pretty good body blows over the years. My only concern with the current practices of the UPA, is that as they continue to sabotage events and cut the other tour promoters off at the knees, resentments and grudges will develop. We don't need anymore of that. We have to have a common goal. When all the separate tours realize that they all have exactly the same goal, and that united - we can do more and accomplish more than we can as individuals - then we can start to make this a reality. We need to put personalities aside and focus on the common goal, which is to expand our market base.

We need to stop buying into the myth that there is no money in pool. Take a trip to Asia (Taiwan,Japan, Philipines) and you will see that a lot of these companies are doing quite well in the overseas market. The money is there, the support for the players, the tour directors, the fans - ISN'T there. The tour directors, players and industry heads need to realize that until we start working with each other we will continue to have the professional level of our game floating in obscurity. We have to stop counting on ESPN to market our sport. We have to stop waiting for the next "The Color of Money" to hit the big screen. As an industry, we need to take control of our destiny. All of the energy that is directed at destroying each other (in relation to tours) can be redirected so that we can advance our market base. With a larger market base, our image campaign (which has gone absolutely NOWHERE in the last 15 years) will eventually be effective. The only way to destroy the stereotypes that our game has is to provide the public with a different view of our game. If we continue to provide the view of an industry that is not united, we will never gain the trust or support of sponsorship outside our industry. Outside entities will look at the current state of affairs and back away from us due to our past conduct. They won't trust any of us, and who could blame them? Yet, if we show that we are an industry united, interested in improving our public image, our fan base, and our market, they will be more than happy to join us. It won't happen overnight, but if there enough positive energy behind, who could stop us?

The Pro Bowlers Tour has a tournament in a different city every week. We can do the same thing with our tour. set up 48 dates a year, which is not as impossible as it sounds. I spoke with Mr. Higgins from The Fury Tour, and nationally they are promoting almost 120 events a year in various regional markets. In the southeast alone, there are 6 tours, all fighting to fill their brackets with the best players. Even if the variety of tours was cut in half, we would start to see progress. Divided, we constantly keep shooting each other in the foot. Until everybody starts taking this seriously, this will continue to happen.

As I said in a previous post, I am more than willing to put my name out there as well as my ideas. I am open to progress, not arguments or debating over who did what, or who is a bigger ass than the other guy. That is counterproductive and keeps us where we are at. I welcome any tour director (including ANYONE from the UPA especially Charlie Williams, Cindy Lee, Max Eberle), sponsors, players, to contact me in regards to setting up a meeting at a common location. It will be very difficult seeing that everybody is still very busy trying to sabaotage everybody else's weekends, but its not impossible. All I am asking is for them to listen. If only a few come to their senses and unite and take advantage of the benefits of forming marketing partnerships, at least that would be some progress.
 
Blackjack said:
The major thing that everyone must consider in any type of unification attempt, is fairness. I would like to go on record as saying that I would not attempt this endeavor without the UPA. I am not anti-UPA, nor am I anti Charlie Williams. I realize that the UPA is an entity, not a personality. Charlie has had the BB's to have his name and his mug up front, and he has taken some pretty good body blows over the years. My only concern with the current practices of the UPA, is that as they continue to sabotage events and cut the other tour promoters off at the knees, resentments and grudges will develop. We don't need anymore of that. We have to have a common goal. When all the separate tours realize that they all have exactly the same goal, and that united - we can do more and accomplish more than we can as individuals - then we can start to make this a reality. We need to put personalities aside and focus on the common goal, which is to expand our market base.

We need to stop buying into the myth that there is no money in pool. Take a trip to Asia (Taiwan,Japan, Philipines) and you will see that a lot of these companies are doing quite well in the overseas market. The money is there, the support for the players, the tour directors, the fans - ISN'T there. The tour directors, players and industry heads need to realize that until we start working with each other we will continue to have the professional level of our game floating in obscurity. We have to stop counting on ESPN to market our sport. We have to stop waiting for the next "The Color of Money" to hit the big screen. As an industry, we need to take control of our destiny. All of the energy that is directed at destroying each other (in relation to tours) can be redirected so that we can advance our market base. With a larger market base, our image campaign (which has gone absolutely NOWHERE in the last 15 years) will eventually be effective. The only way to destroy the stereotypes that our game has is to provide the public with a different view of our game. If we continue to provide the view of an industry that is not united, we will never gain the trust or support of sponsorship outside our industry. Outside entities will look at the current state of affairs and back away from us due to our past conduct. They won't trust any of us, and who could blame them? Yet, if we show that we are an industry united, interested in improving our public image, our fan base, and our market, they will be more than happy to join us. It won't happen overnight, but if there enough positive energy behind, who could stop us?

The Pro Bowlers Tour has a tournament in a different city every week. We can do the same thing with our tour. set up 48 dates a year, which is not as impossible as it sounds. I spoke with Mr. Higgins from The Fury Tour, and nationally they are promoting almost 120 events a year in various regional markets. In the southeast alone, there are 6 tours, all fighting to fill their brackets with the best players. Even if the variety of tours was cut in half, we would start to see progress. Divided, we constantly keep shooting each other in the foot. Until everybody starts taking this seriously, this will continue to happen.

As I said in a previous post, I am more than willing to put my name out there as well as my ideas. I am open to progress, not arguments or debating over who did what, or who is a bigger ass than the other guy. That is counterproductive and keeps us where we are at. I welcome any tour director (including ANYONE from the UPA especially Charlie Williams, Cindy Lee, Max Eberle), sponsors, players, to contact me in regards to setting up a meeting at a common location. It will be very difficult seeing that everybody is still very busy trying to sabaotage everybody else's weekends, but its not impossible. All I am asking is for them to listen. If only a few come to their senses and unite and take advantage of the benefits of forming marketing partnerships, at least that would be some progress.

I'm 100% with ya Dave. I spoke with Mark Griffin this morning and he also suggests a group meeting. In Vegas, during the BCA national 8 Ball events. The event runs from the Fri the 13th (ut oh) to Sun the 21st and we're probably looking to meet on the afternoons of Fri the 19th and Sat the 21st.

I will personally contact as many people as possible that are on our list to see how many will commit. But even if it's you, Mark, Mike Janis and myself I'm sure it'll be worth it. Everyone is invited so all you AZers get out the contact info. Emails preferred.
 
Hey Joe T.
My name is Kay Higgins with KBP Fury Amateur 9-Ball Tour and we are on board. I am looking forward to working with all and am excited about this new venue.
Kay
 
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