Bad ending to a long game

Hi Jay! I was playing a local tournament and after the tournament a guy that beat me asked if I wanted to play some 9ball cheap. I agreed knowing that he was trying to hustle me even though I was twice his age and have been around pool much longer than him. To make a long story short I drilled him in 9ball then spotted him and drilled him. Then he wanted to play banks his best game and I drilled him at that then with a spot. It got to the point where he moved the coin (blatantly cheated) but I couldn't prove it. So he won the last set of banks and I scored much less money than I should have. I won't give this guy the time of day and that was just another learning experience IMO. In your case Jay I wouldn't
play him again unless you had a neutral referee to call the game. Good luck
Phil
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Jay, didn't realize you still played for some cash. Personally, I would have quit the game after the first break infraction. I think that was your mistake. He had already shown his demeanor and yes, some pool players are extremely petty and so, why go on? And you quit winners. I have no problem quitting winners, especially if it's set up ahead of time (and you should always do that) or if the guy is being a jerk like this guy was. If he threatens a fight, I call the police or get the management. Standing up to an idiot like that shows no virtue.
Come down to Danny K's and we'll play some one-hole! Just call me, we'll have some fun with it.
Danny

Danny, I'll come down after the U.S. Open. I have posters for you anyway for the Mosconi Cup.
 
HittMan said:
I hate to admit it but this sounds normal to me.

Some helpful hints:
1) Last game/set money posted on the light.
2) Pay after every game/set.
3) Recurring arguments rarely get better over the course of a thrashing...if it comes up more than once, square up after that game and QUIT.
4) Busy bars with pool tables draw this kind of guy. Attempt a chrbing someone with you when you gambleange of venue.
5) If your alarm goes off...listen to it. Don't play or continue to play where your opponent is angry and known and you are winning and unknown...eventually it will catch up with you.

I have made a few rules that work for me:
a) No Assholes
b) Post up
c) Stick to pool halls that promote pool instead of pool halls that promote liquor.
d) Try to bring someone with you when you gamble...think safety.
e) Always watch your drink and your back.

Hope it helps...better luck next time.

Just my opinion...you be the judge.

Hittman
Take a Hitt out on 'em

I know all this and yet I made a bad choice. He is the guy I always hear about in that poolroom. And it's in my neighborhood, so I wanted him. And it looks like I got him, for better or for worse. I'm now inclined not to play him again, but if he barks at me, I may make him put up some real cash. And I will have friends with me! Tang and one more guy.

I always like to be the best in my neighborhood, so people call me when someone comes in looking for a game. This guy never came into my poolroom when I was only five or six miles away, and bristling with action. So he is definitely careful. I would like to take him out of his comfort zone. "Meet you at Hard Times"! :)
 
Pool Story

jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.

Hey Jay,
I Love a good pool story.
Thank you. And Goodnight. I'd memorize this guys face and try to catch him on neutral territory. ie: Anywhere but there. Having a few big friends on the rail will probably slow his mouth considerably. I never get to see one hole around here.
Thanks again,
Little Debbie

P.S. I think your reps are being limited. I tried to give you one and a message came back I needed to spread more around before I could give you one. I don't keep a written total of reps given but I'm pretty sure you weren't the last one I gave.
 
Wear sneakers, and rob him next time.

If you do play him again, just ignore him, only speak to him when you have to. If he says something you dont like, just blow it off. I know it's hard to do, but you ignoring it will piss him off even more.

(why the hell am I giving YOU advice LOL.)
 
Bad Ending To A Long Game

Jay, for what it's worth, I think you handled it very well. If you recall, we would run into this sort of thing once in awhile in La. back in '67, but, we were much younger. Bottom line is, we're just getting too old for this kind of sh#t ! I can appreciate you wanting the action, you always did, but with all that aggravation, man, who needs it ? Anyhow, I am glad you came out un-scathed.
Steve Price
 
Jay ....

Go make 'your game' with the guy, $1,000 a set or better.

Maintain the straight man look taking his money.

Thank him for the game when leaving.

Go 10 paces, turn around and go, 'Naa ... Naa Naa ... Naa Naa'.

And walk out..... :D
 
I will let you know if I ever play him again. I'm not a lock here and I know it. I have to play good to beat this guy. So it's still a challenge, either way.
 
jay helfert said:
I will let you know if I ever play him again. I'm not a lock here and I know it. I have to play good to beat this guy. So it's still a challenge, either way.
Jay, what you need to do right now is decide if you are going to play him again or not. If you decide that you will, then put it off to the future, maybe two or three months. This way you can put your mind at peace for now and let yourself cool off. I know how something like this can gnaw on your brain . Put it into the back of your mind and go about your regular business.

When the time comes you'll be ready. It sounds to me like you have the better of it. Play at a different location or don't play at all.

I you are not going to play. Then let it go. Be at peace. You can't have something like this on your mind when you draw those pocket aces in your next card game. You'll need a clear mind to know what to do with them.
 
Pocket Aces??? I fold them sucker cards 75% of the time, unless I can play them for cheap!!

Hey Jay,

If you do end up playing this guy again, please let me know. I would love rail bird it and be there for back up. And, I ain't a little guy either!!!

Russ.....
 
My old buddy Frank giving me sage advice and my new buddy Russ ready to sweat it. I love it! My game just got a ball stronger.

Hey Frank, Dave Datillo was there and he watched me bank out three balls to win one game. The last two were off the end rail. And on super tight tables too. He left after that saying "See you later Hustler" as he walked by. That was my highlight of the night. :)
 
jay helfert said:
My old buddy Frank giving me sage advice and my new buddy Russ ready to sweat it. I love it! My game just got a ball stronger.

Hey Frank, Dave Datillo was there and he watched me bank out three balls to win one game. The last two were off the end rail. And on super tight tables too. He left after that saying "See you later Hustler" as he walked by. That was my highlight of the night. :)


Thanks for the heads up Jay !! When we get together to play some, it DEFINATLEY won't be banks!!! lol

Russ.....
 
jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.

IMO, you handled it like a street smart gentleman. Play him again? For me, it's not worth the hassle, aggravation and elevated blood pressure. May cost you more seeing the doc or going to the hospital. Who knows, a stroke or a cardiac arrest can be in the offing too.

Unless you're really itching for action and you do decide to play him again, play him $50+ a game, pay after every game. While playing, ask him if he wants something to eat and drink and have him order as much as he wants. Beat him for bout two to three hundred bucks then quit. Pay your time and on the way out tell the guy the counter wants a word with him. ;)
 
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