Bad ending to a long game

tpdtom said:
Jay, I don't know how old you are, but I imagine we're somewhere around the same age. I'm 56, and I know that I'm too old for that stuff. BAAAADDDDD action ! You're supposed to be a fearsome player, and GREAT action! From everything I've read I'm sure that you are. I'd love to meet you and talk about the players we've both known, and play some too.

That being said, it's too late in the game for racing down the highway in that Vette convertible and running out the back door of places. Now the players should come to you, where you're safe and people got your back. F*** that guy ! He's a punk. In Detroit he'd be headed for the dentist, if not the morgue ! They don't play that here. All the best and stay safe...Tom

Almost anyone that has been around pool a long time, I've met somewhere down the line. I may not know their name, but our paths have crossed. I'll bet you and I have been in the same poolroom before, and seen each other. I've been up to Detroit four or five times in the 60's, 70's and 80's. Last time, was in Troy for the McDermott Masters in about 1988.
 
jay helfert said:
I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.

Jay, if I were you and I really wanted to play the guy, I'd call him on the phone and tell him you'll play him for that $1000 at another pool room. It's less likely that there will be problems if you get him outside of his hangout, in my opinion. If he doesn't want to do that, then screw it. $1000 just isn't worth that kind of crap. Not to mention, he was on tilt over $120. Does he even have $1000?
 
Jay,

Pool is filled with idiots and assholes. Next time, if possible, have him play at a room other than his. He must be made to play in unfamilar surroundings. That way, he most likely will be to unconfortable to act like an a-hole. Also, you should have quit a winner. People like that do not deserve a second chance to win there money back, especially on ONE game.

If that doesn't work a 45. and a shovel works just as well!
 
Hey Jay, where and what's the name of the room? Was it Al Geary's old place, Lakewood and Carson?
 
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tpdtom said:
Jay, I don't know how old you are, but I imagine we're somewhere around the same age. I'm 56, and I know that I'm too old for that stuff. BAAAADDDDD action ! You're supposed to be a fearsome player, and GREAT action! From everything I've read I'm sure that you are. I'd love to meet you and talk about the players we've both known, and play some too.

That being said, it's too late in the game for racing down the highway in that Vette convertible and running out the back door of places. Now the players should come to you, where you're safe and people got your back. F*** that guy ! He's a punk. In Detroit he'd be headed for the dentist, if not the morgue ! They don't play that here. All the best and stay safe...Tom

I agree...and Detroit's my kind of city. Johnnyt
 
Blackjack said:
JMO, crybaby's suck.

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All kidding aside, Jay - go back in there in about a week and let him woof at you, then don't play him. Let him know he's a crybaby and that he's $hitty action for anybody. That'll piss him off even worse, and IMO - that would be fair. After that, play someone else and dump $100 just for $hits and giggles.


Reading that suggestion made me smile from the inside out! :)

Jonny B.
 
ginsu said:
Hey Jay, where and what's the name of the room? Was it Al Geary's old place, Lakewood and Carson?

Mr. Lucky's in Hawthorne. I'm going to wait a while before (and if) I ever play him again. I want to be really sharp if I do, and then get him out of his familiar surroundings. And raise the bet out of his comfort zone. I'm thinking of asking him to play for 500 a game. Then we'll see how big his balls are.

Whoever said I'm a great player has me confused with someone else. I've NEVER been a great player, just a decent shortstop. I can beat the average pool player though. What did Russ say, "You better be able to play a little or you're in trouble now". Something like that. What I love about Pool, is you can talk all you want, but ultimately you must be able to get on the table and prove it! You can't fake it in Pool, unless you're Bruce Christopher.
 
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jay helfert said:
Mr. Lucky's in Hawthorne. I'm going to wait a while before (and if) I ever play him again. I want to be really sharp if I do, and then get him out of his familiar surroundings. And raise the bet out of his comfort zone. I'm thinking of asking him to play for 500 a game. Then we'll see how big his balls are.

Whoever said I'm a great player has me confused with someone else. I've NEVER been a great player, just a decent shortstop. I can beat the average pool player though. What did Russ say, "You better be able to play a little or you're in trouble now". Something like that. What I love about Pool, is you can talk all you want, but ultimately you must be able to get on the table and prove it! You can't fake it in Pool, unless you're Bruce Christopher.[/QUOTE

Sounds like a good plan. Good luck.
 
its a shame people are that way, and I know its hard to find a good game these days, but I stick to a rule a fellow give me along time ago, when that guy fouled the first time call it, if he argues end the game right then. This is a sure sign of trouble, and Id expect you to know better from now on ,even if getting a game is like pulling teeth with some people .

no matter how much skill or talent some people are loosers and want to take you down with them. its all about there mental makeup and if you have played long enough you will find these type people. My advice is dont look back, forget it you can beat the guy, but just like the first time he will talk you out of the money you win. so although your game may be superior, your being a decent guy and a real player will work against you.

I should know, I played a guy a race to 11 just last week for TABLE TIME I had him down 9 -1 and whats he do? tells me his life story, and every time I win a game he stands at the table so that I cant get to my coin, so I beat the guy like 20 games, and he refused to admitt he lost. What a retard, so I just paid for the table time, or you win 15 games in a row, and let up one rack and they beat you..lol I give up.


SPINDOKTOR
 
...right about the time he started really acting like an asshole, I would have just given him all his money back, told him he was an asshole of the highest order and that even though he was such easy money, he just was too big of a jerkoff to deal with and left.
 
Lets roll

What would Evel Kenevel do? Jay I remember exactly what evel did in about 1966 Evel Showed up in Hollywood with 2 broken Arms after crashing in Canada trying to jump 13 buses, and just before that his engineer screwed up the canyon jump if you remember the Parashoot came out immediately. So he finds this guy that wrote a bk about him. Who black-ball every bussiness venture he had started. Because he was a hollywood producer he had clout. Evel shows up with a big fella just to hold him and evel with 2-broken arms beats him within an inch of his life. Funny thing he only gets 6-months work release. Went every day in a limmosine. And on his last day 12 limmo's show up and take all the work release prisoners to work instyle. Sounds like this guy got under your skin- you will not sleep at night til you atleast return to this place. And set the record straight. I would practice practice till dawn. I'd bring the bat and go alone. If you play I'd use 38-shells to keep score! He'll get the idea. nice guys finish last for the cash
 
Jay, didn't realize you still played for some cash. Personally, I would have quit the game after the first break infraction. I think that was your mistake. He had already shown his demeanor and yes, some pool players are extremely petty and so, why go on? And you quit winners. I have no problem quitting winners, especially if it's set up ahead of time (and you should always do that) or if the guy is being a jerk like this guy was. If he threatens a fight, I call the police or get the management. Standing up to an idiot like that shows no virtue.
Come down to Danny K's and we'll play some one-hole! Just call me, we'll have some fun with it.
Danny
 
That dude is neither bad nor a evil guy.What that dude did to Jay was one of the VERY EFFECTIVE shark move and many roadies know this.Well ,if one wants to call sharking as `bad and evil `maneuver you then have 7-8 out of 10 pool players doing this evil act. Simply because sharking is so common it does not make it an acceptable form of decent human behavior( I neither do it nor endorse it).If one wants to argue that sharking is an acceptable form of behavior I then will argue that me and my buddies will put you on the dickie of yore car ( you know what we then do), is also a civilized behavior.

Jay remember this " One time shame on you, two times shame on me".You do not have to retaliate.Forget about it and move on with your life.Include this as one of the many lessons you learned in the subculture of pool.
 
vagabond said:
That dude is neither bad nor a evil guy.What that dude did to Jay was one of the VERY EFFECTIVE shark move and many roadies know this.Well ,if one wants to call sharking as `bad and evil `maneuver you then have 7-8 out of 10 pool players doing this evil act. Simply because sharking is so common it does not make it an acceptable form of decent human behavior( I neither do it nor endorse it).If one wants to argue that sharking is an acceptable form of behavior I then will argue that me and my buddies will put you on the dickie of yore car ( you know what we then do), is also a civilized behavior.

Jay remember this " One time shame on you, two times shame on me".You do not have to retaliate.Forget about it and move on with your life.Include this as one of the many lessons you learned in the subculture of pool.



Yes It seems that guy used Shark Tactics, I didnt want to say this outright because I was intending to keep the players integrity intact.

The only real problem I have with this is that the local took it to far, obviously he is a rookie in the Art, The best hustlers in the business play you so well, you dont know whether to be mad or be there best buddy.


I still say forgetaboutit.........Im not saying not to go back to the location, just dont play that fellow, he really doesnt know how to handle a bad situation, and that could lead to trouble.






SPINDOKTOR
 
jay helfert said:
I hesitate to post this but here goes. I met Black Jeff in a nearby pool hall yesterday to play some Eight Ball on a bar table. We played for 20 a game and he beat me out of three games. I just couldn't seem to get the speed of the table so I quit.

I was leaving and I asked if anyone wanted to play One Pocket. Up steps the house champion who will remain nameless. He says he will play, so I say okay. He flips a coin and then asks me how much. I ask him what he usually plays for and he says 20 or 40 a game. I tell him 40 is fine. Off we go. I get ahead a game or two and it's back and forth. He shoots straighter on these very tight (less than 4") tables and I outmove him.

He is breaking with a kick shot into the pack. I told him on his first break he must get a rail after contact and he agrees. Finally about the fourth or fifth time he breaks no ball gets to a rail, and I call it on him. He argues with me, but finally agrees it's a foul. We finish the game but he continues to complain that he NEVER fouls when he breaks that way. I asked him if he thought I was making a move on him and he says no, but I made a mistake. I remind him a couple of times that I was standing right next to the table when he broke and I could see all the balls quite well. P.S. HE FOULED! A couple of balls did get within an inch or two of the rail.

I continue to play because I am ahead but I no longer am enjoying this game. He brings up the "bad call" several more times, especially after I win a game. We have played five hours and my feet are hurting bad. I have flat feet and am wearing sandals. I tell him I don't want to play much longer and he asks me if I'm going to quit winners. I tell him I'd like to come back and finish tomorrow and we can play for 50 a game. Nothing doing he says, let's keep playing. Okay then, I'll give him a chance to get his money back and we can play one game for all he owes me (only $120 at the time). And he's breaking, so he has an edge.

By the way, this place is crowded with kids, the music is blaring and we have to deal with a crowded conditions from the table next to us (a bunch of young people partying). I fade all this because I have a tough game which I like, but now I'm just done! Finally he agrees to play one game double or nothing. And he wins the last game, so we are even. He proceeds to tell me one more time about my bad call. I tell him he is a crybaby. He gets in my face and says "what did I say?" I tell him loudly now that he is a crybaby. I say that game was a long time ago and he should have dropped it then. It nearly comes to blows. And he is half my age, but not much bigger than me. All I can say about that is I was ready.

A louder argument ensues and he tells me he wants to play me for a hundred a game or freeze up $1,000. It becomes an ego thing and I tell him be careful what you ask for, you may get it. I truly believe I can beat this guy, but I left so aggravated that I don't care about playing him again. I actually feel like if I had won that last game for $240 we would have had a bigger argument and I may have had trouble getting paid. Just a gut instinct based on how he acted.

I'm sorry for this long story. I'm just not sure right now how to handle this, so I'm asking for advice. He plays good and it's a tough game for me. But I like the challenge, I just don't need the aggravation. I have a feeling that now if we play, it won't be much fun. It has become personal, if you know what I mean. I don't really need his money. I'm unsure how to proceed at this point, maybe I'm still a little upset.

Thanks for listening to my little tale of woe.


Years ago I had the EXACT problem with Boy George, there isnt a building big enough for us to be under the same roof, it wont get better, if you beat him for a dime you will have a dimes worth of problems-not $120 worth of problems. There are alot of people who are good action. this guy is like a hot girl with Herpy's it looks good but there is no good ending.
 
"If you play I'd use 38-shells to keep score! He'll get the idea."

Jay,you gotta play this chump like a blind ass luck lotto queen in poker.
 
A day in the life

I hate to admit it but this sounds normal to me.

Some helpful hints:
1) Last game/set money posted on the light.
2) Pay after every game/set.
3) Recurring arguments rarely get better over the course of a thrashing...if it comes up more than once, square up after that game and QUIT.
4) Busy bars with pool tables draw this kind of guy. Attempt a chrbing someone with you when you gambleange of venue.
5) If your alarm goes off...listen to it. Don't play or continue to play where your opponent is angry and known and you are winning and unknown...eventually it will catch up with you.

I have made a few rules that work for me:
a) No Assholes
b) Post up
c) Stick to pool halls that promote pool instead of pool halls that promote liquor.
d) Try to bring someone with you when you gamble...think safety.
e) Always watch your drink and your back.

Hope it helps...better luck next time.

Just my opinion...you be the judge.

Hittman
Take a Hitt out on 'em
 
vagabond said:
That dude is neither bad nor a evil guy.What that dude did to Jay was one of the VERY EFFECTIVE shark move and many roadies know this.Well ,if one wants to call sharking as `bad and evil `maneuver you then have 7-8 out of 10 pool players doing this evil act. Simply because sharking is so common it does not make it an acceptable form of decent human behavior( I neither do it nor endorse it).If one wants to argue that sharking is an acceptable form of behavior I then will argue that me and my buddies will put you on the dickie of yore car ( you know what we then do), is also a civilized behavior.

Jay remember this " One time shame on you, two times shame on me".You do not have to retaliate.Forget about it and move on with your life.Include this as one of the many lessons you learned in the subculture of pool.

You could be right, but asking to double the bet so you can get even is also a sucker move that can empty your pockets. In this case I doubt that this guy was going to pay if he lost.
 
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