bad transaction by memeber on az

Chalk it up for experience and move on, hopefully you get your cue and money back, if you don't, post his name so everyone will know who it is. It is not a good thing, however, don't let it get you down for the next month or more. Don't let it consume you to where this is all you think about. I know how things can build up when someone does you wrong, I think it is better to just say "it could have been worse." Too bad there are hustlers like this on this site.
 
The one thing I don't understand about this deal is that he required you to send the cue and MONEY. Sending the cue only should be all it took to get the deal started. After all, at that point he would have had your cue in his possession... he would have been safe. If this deal is as you describe (and I believe you), something sure doesn't sound right.

It's time to out this guy.
 
yes, you should out the guy, I know from experience, don't wait, if he is honest your cue and money will show, if not maybe someone knows this person and will track down your cue. trust me, don't just hope,
 
I dislike trades, they're just too risky. If it's 2 guys who know each other and what not that's fine. I traded with a guy and he got my cue 1st and sold it and it was on Ebay with another flipper before I approved of the cue he sent me. I had no recourse. I did do a trade with Daniel on here but that was for two lower end cues.
I just feel like someone in the trade is getting a bad deal (generally me) so won't do them anymore.
I wouldn't out the guy until I had my money and cue back.
 
Just 1 persons opinion

mikeyfish said:
just wanted some opinions on a deal i had made with another az member.I would rather not bad mouth this person till i see what my friends on az have to say ,a member on here was selling a cue for $600 and also was taking trade offers i had sent him a pm and told me he needed more money so we decided on trading my cue plus $200 cash he saw the pictures and asked if i could send my cue plus a money order even though he was not sending his cue out till he got mine and the money to make sure it was in good shape so i took a chance .After a week went by i got an email today telling me hes sending my cue back and my money because he doesnt feel the cue is worth it after he agreed and made me send a postal money order and my cue.The part thats really pissed my off is the fact he was trying to sell my cue on az before he even got it he was trying to sell it/ trade it with out ever even having it in his hands what if some one had paid him and the cue was broke then what this guy is a real assh???.He makes it hard for the nice people on here to do deals
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OK first off sounds like the deal was contingent on him approving your cue for condition not money, the value of said cue was no longer the issue as the deal was agreed on, so him saying the cue wasn't worth it doesn't fly for and excuse to break the deal. But if he said the cue wasn't to his satisfaction then he has every right to send the cue back. I Don't know the details here but it should have been talked about before the deal was struck, was he to pay for shipping to and from if the cue wasn't to his satisfaction, if it was never talked about the best you can do is ask and hope he will pay all shipping charges but if he says no you had no agreement on this.

As far as him trying to sale the cue before it was in his hands, he has every right to do it, BUT that doesn't make it proper or good business practice, I sure wouldn't conduct business in this manner, like you said what happens if the stick is broken or some how had other things wrong with it, the deal with the purchaser is now in the toilet and his reputation would be on the line advertising a cue a certain way and then not finishing the deal because the cue is broken.

best thing I can say is chalk it up as a bad transaction and avoid this person in the future. I truly feel your pain, and hope and pray your merchandise and money get back to you in the same shape as it was sent.
 
Just 1 persons opinion

mikeyfish said:
just wanted some opinions on a deal i had made with another az member.I would rather not bad mouth this person till i see what my friends on az have to say ,a member on here was selling a cue for $600 and also was taking trade offers i had sent him a pm and told me he needed more money so we decided on trading my cue plus $200 cash he saw the pictures and asked if i could send my cue plus a money order even though he was not sending his cue out till he got mine and the money to make sure it was in good shape so i took a chance .After a week went by i got an email today telling me hes sending my cue back and my money because he doesnt feel the cue is worth it after he agreed and made me send a postal money order and my cue.The part thats really pissed my off is the fact he was trying to sell my cue on az before he even got it he was trying to sell it/ trade it with out ever even having it in his hands what if some one had paid him and the cue was broke then what this guy is a real assh???.He makes it hard for the nice people on here to do deals
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OK first off sounds like the deal was contingent on him approving your cue for condition not money, the value of said cue was no longer the issue as the deal was agreed on, so him saying the cue wasn't worth it doesn't fly for and excuse to break the deal. But if he said the cue wasn't to his satisfaction then he has every right to send the cue back. I Don't know the details here but it should have been talked about before the deal was struck, was he to pay for shipping to and from if the cue wasn't to his satisfaction, if it was never talked about the best you can do is ask and hope he will pay all shipping charges but if he says no you had no agreement on this.

As far as him trying to sale the cue before it was in his hands, he has every right to do it, BUT that doesn't make it proper or good business practice, I sure wouldn't conduct business in this manner, like you said what happens if the stick is broken or some how had other things wrong with it, the deal with the purchaser is now in the toilet and his reputation would be on the line advertising a cue a certain way and then not finishing the deal because the cue is broken.

best thing I can say is chalk it up as a bad transaction and avoid this person in the future. I truly feel your pain, and hope and pray your merchandise and money get back to you in the same shape as it was sent.
 
DawgAndy said:
I dislike trades, they're just too risky. If it's 2 guys who know each other and what not that's fine. I traded with a guy and he got my cue 1st and sold it and it was on Ebay with another flipper before I approved of the cue he sent me. I had no recourse. I did do a trade with Daniel on here but that was for two lower end cues.
I just feel like someone in the trade is getting a bad deal (generally me) so won't do them anymore.
I wouldn't out the guy until I had my money and cue back.
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Best way to conduct trades is try and find a 3rd party that you both trust and is willing to get involved in the deal. Both people send there merchandise to the agreed on 3rd party, once this person receives all items involved in trade, he/she then forwards the items to the other parties involved in the trade, if he/she doesn't receive all items he simply returns the items to the original owners. Usually you pay said person a small fee for the headaches involved of making the transaction and shipping fees involved in the deal. Unless you can agree to meet in person of course is best.
 
ok...heres my side of the story

he asked if I want to trade my lambros to his Durbin cue + $200 cash

I agree

he sent the cue and the money quickly / no problem

then after inspecting the cue problem occurs. here's the list of problem

1st is the bubbles in the finish is unimaginable
2nd what do call that kind of a black mold on the forearm?? Im sure its not a paint!
3rd the point is undescribable, points are round, veneers are incorrectly placed not to mention the bubbles also
4th he said that the cue is almost brand new, well I guess what he means by that is this, scratches on the forearm, roughly sanded shaft ahhhhh...I dont know its just t much for me.

basically to cut the story short, his cue is a piece of fire wood waiting to be burned by somebody who knows cue.

I sent his money and cue back the day after. I even took a cab back and forth so there would be no delay. I'll be honest with all of YOU FELLOW AZERS, I would not have the courage to sell something like that to any of YOU!!!

I emailed him back to let him know that I declined on his trade due to this reason. I am trading a MIKE LAMBROS CUE FOR GOD's SAKE!

Vinniebabarouch offered to buy the cue that he traded from me and I declined to sell it to him. I told him that the cue is no longer available. I would not sell or trade anything like that. I would have just took his $200 and vinnies offer for his cue if my only concern was the money but I would not do that.
 
21Gambler said:
Best way to conduct trades is try and find a 3rd party that you both trust and is willing to get involved in the deal. Both people send there merchandise to the agreed on 3rd party, once this person receives all items involved in trade, he/she then forwards the items to the other parties involved in the trade, if he/she doesn't receive all items he simply returns the items to the original owners. Usually you pay said person a small fee for the headaches involved of making the transaction and shipping fees involved in the deal. Unless you can agree to meet in person of course is best.
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No, I just don't do it anymore.

M.Libre
Your side of the story sounds like you did the right thing. It doesn't matter what condition the Durbin was in, if you decided it wasn't worth the trade plus cash, sent the stuff back whats's the other guy complaining about
 
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listen you knew the cue was a 400 sneaky pete with g10 pin i told you that what i paid for it shipped from another az member you never even recieved the cue and then are selling it for 100 less then you took it in for so i think you knew that the cue is just a decent player you probably were still trying to sell your cue while mine was being shipped why would you try to sell a cue for 100 less before you even see it buddy your are bad business im only on az for a short time but have had alot of possitive comments and feedback where is yours cut the bs
 
AHHH! The other side of the story...

m.libre10 said:
he asked if I want to trade my lambros to his Durbin cue + $200 cash

I agree

he sent the cue and the money quickly / no problem

then after inspecting the cue problem occurs. here's the list of problem

1st is the bubbles in the finish is unimaginable
2nd what do call that kind of a black mold on the forearm?? Im sure its not a paint!
3rd the point is undescribable, points are round, veneers are incorrectly placed not to mention the bubbles also
4th he said that the cue is almost brand new, well I guess what he means by that is this, scratches on the forearm, roughly sanded shaft ahhhhh...I dont know its just t much for me.

basically to cut the story short, his cue is a piece of fire wood waiting to be burned by somebody who knows cue.

I sent his money and cue back the day after. I even took a cab back and forth so there would be no delay. I'll be honest with all of YOU FELLOW AZERS, I would not have the courage to sell something like that to any of YOU!!!

I emailed him back to let him know that I declined on his trade due to this reason. I am trading a MIKE LAMBROS CUE FOR GOD's SAKE!

Vinniebabarouch offered to buy the cue that he traded from me and I declined to sell it to him. I told him that the cue is no longer available. I would not sell or trade anything like that. I would have just took his $200 and vinnies offer for his cue if my only concern was the money but I would not do that.
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I think, if the above is true, the other dude has no gripe and should gladly accept his cue and money back. Amazing how much greif has already come your way base on the other side of this story, which from what I can tell had no mention of the condition of the cue he sent to you "as nearly new";) . That is why I would try to never get involved in bashing someone here based on only my side of the situation. Hopefully you two can resolve this matter once and for all and no more dirty laundry will need to be aired on the public forum.

-don
 
You should have kept this private....

mikeyfish said:
listen you knew the cue was a 400 sneaky pete with g10 pin i told you that what i paid for it shipped from another az member you never even recieved the cue and then are selling it for 100 less then you took it in for so i think you knew that the cue is just a decent player you probably were still trying to sell your cue while mine was being shipped why would you try to sell a cue for 100 less before you even see it buddy your are bad business im only on az for a short time but have had alot of possitive comments and feedback where is yours cut the bs
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I think you should have worked this out privately, now you both come off looking bad to the forum and damage has been done and will take time to repair. Goodwill is hard to build and very easy to kill, Just my opinion.

-don
 
stick to the deal

I know, its always the reputation on the line.

but then again, I would have stck to the deal if the cue that he sent was at least decent. I would not complaint or back out if the deal is was it was supposed to. But, he did not mention any imperfection of the cue to me why we are in negotiation of the deal. What he said was it was almost brand new. If I only had a camera to do it, I would have shown all of you what he meant of "Almost brand new/$400 cue" for god sake, I declined to sell it to vinnie for $250.00 because of the damage and imperfection on the cue.

I dont mind being judge by others. but, I really felt that its unfair to others if I do the same thing / decide to trade or sell the cue to any of you and lie about everything.
 
MIKEY/I also apologize!

mikey wrote

Re: how did you send my cue and money

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m.libre10 said:
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Originally Posted by mikeyfish
since you dont have any time to answer emails now how did you send my cue along with my money ps did unlike everybody else on here i dont care about the extra 15 bucks it cost to ship just wanna know when it will be here and how it was sent




its USPS priority/here is your tracking info 23050270000147321658[/QUOTE
listen i would of never put your name out there or bad mouthed you with people knowing who you are i wanted opinions and i guess i got mixed reveiws as soon as i get the money and cue the post will be deleted im sorry you were unhappy thats all i can say an email back would of help both are ends instead of ignorinig me
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Mikey

listen Man, you should have said something to the person who sold you that cue. I tell you Sir, I would have not back out with the deal if it was'nt for that issue.


I apologize to you for all the trouble though. I myself had quite some expenses too. taking cabs back and fourth to the post office to make sure I dont spend too much time leaving you hangin. again, sorry!
 
no loss Sir!

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Didn't we just have a issue similar to this (well, this isn't quite as bad) where a young AZBer had traded for a cue and tried to sell/trade it without completing his side of the bargain? I don't know all the details of this transaction, Mikey, but it just doesn't seem right. Hope you get your stuff back, then,at least, you can move on with minimal loss.
Joe



no loss sir, I would be more than happy to send him his $15.00 bucks that he spent for shipping if its necessary. Its no problem.

But, what would you do in this case?
 
I would if settled for $450

heres the transaction with vinnie

Originally Posted by vinniebabarooch
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Originally Posted by m.libre10
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Originally Posted by vinniebabarooch
Hello,
I will offer you 200.
Thanks,
Troy



$250 is the lowest I can go. This cue is $475 and is still brand new. I just used it for a test hit. Thanks for the offer though!



I will take it for 250. Let me know.
Thanks



I am sorry but the cue is no longer available. Thanks for your interest though!

****he offered me $250 for the cue/if I am selfish and does not care with anybody here on AZ, with mikeys $200 and vinnies $250 I could have just settled with it with the $450 no hard feelings. but, guess what? what would vinnie would say about me?? I guarantee you its not going to be GOOD!****
 
Your quote........$250 is the lowest I can go. This cue is $475 and is still brand new. I just used it for a test hit. Thanks for the offer though!


It does not sound to me you had any issues with this cue at this point. Did you even have the cue when you made this statement? If you did have the cue why did you not tell the buyer all the problems with the cue. Also where did the pics come from in your for sale thread. You said you did not have a camera so Mikey took them? You can tell the points are round.

Here is the link.....
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=80718
 
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