Ban Magic Rack for Pro Events?

Rackers?

Cj,

Your reasoning is flawed.

Too much has changed since you guys 'used' Rackers.

Besides, a lot of these events are too big.
The USBTC has 40 tables.

And a Rackers and a referee are two completely different things.

I run events, if I followed some of the advice I get (from all different sources) I would get run over with discussions and arguments.

9-ball is a broken game at the pro level.

Mark Griffin
 
Get those guys on T.U.F to rack 'em and I guarantee no complaints

...except maybe Earl.

ZERO <<<<<---the amount of f**ks Earl gives.
 
a "LEAD REFEREE" and they could be responsible for training and managing the Refs.

Mark Griffin said:
Cj,

Your reasoning is flawed.

Too much has changed since you guys 'used' Rackers.

Besides, a lot of these events are too big.
The USBTC has 40 tables.

And a Rackers and a referee are two completely different things.

I run events, if I followed some of the advice I get (from all different sources) I would get run over with discussions and arguments.

9-ball is a broken game at the pro level.

Mark Griffin
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Refs rack the matches, they are the same person. I'm only talking about Pro Events, and there's nothing flawed about it, I have seen it work on countless occasions. There's no reason not to do it, unless..........someone doesn't want to do it. ;)

I believe in being solution oriented, and I'm sure you do too. The tournament would have a "LEAD REFEREE" and they could be responsible for training and managing the Refs. This is much easier than managing a restaurant or bar, don't you think?

This will be a "no brainer" in my opinion, and am willing prove it will work if you need me to. This is the only way we used to do it at Major Pro Events....they made the tournament much more pleasurable for the players and fans. No disputes over the rack and break were refreshing, and I predict it will be the same, even in these "complicated" times. :thumbup:
 
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Mark Griffin said:
Cj,

Your reasoning is flawed.

Too much has changed since you guys 'used' Rackers.

Besides, a lot of these events are too big.
The USBTC has 40 tables.

And a Rackers and a referee are two completely different things.

I run events, if I followed some of the advice I get (from all different sources) I would get run over with discussions and arguments.

9-ball is a broken game at the pro level.

Mark Griffin
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ok you said that a neutral racker is not the answer, so what is the answer?
 
Imagine going back to prewar days, when there were still a bajillion pool halls with employees just waiting to rack for a dime or less tip.

One racker should be able to cover six to eight tables at a time with no problem. I believe the TD should take a third of all fees right off the top as well as any outside sponsorship to cover expenses like these and earn a profit. Promoters deserve to be professionals as well and not be expected to put on glorified charities. They have all the hassles of a convention promoter with virtually none of the revenue streams.
 
So, as a benefit, it's good for the economy too. 'The Game is the Teacher'

Ron Moore said:
Imagine going back to prewar days, when there were still a bajillion pool halls with employees just waiting to rack for a dime or less tip.

One racker should be able to cover six to eight tables at a time with no problem. I believe the TD should take a third of all fees right off the top as well as any outside sponsorship to cover expenses like these and earn a profit. Promoters deserve to be professionals as well and not be expected to put on glorified charities. They have all the hassles of a convention promoter with virtually none of the revenue streams.
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That would be fine, it's a legitamate cost of doing business and it's important in my opinion because it effect the atmosphere and outcome of the tournament.

The Dallas Open had Refs at every table and they racked the balls every game. There were no complaints that I'm aware of and I played in the tournament myself. If a Ref. racks the balls there's no reason the player should even look at the rack.....and maybe they shouldn't.

We had Referees at the Mosconi Cup a couple of months ago as well...same thing, no complains and we were the "visitors" in the tournament.

Can anyone imagine snooker players racking and spotting their own balls? Not hardly! How about Willie Mosconi, can you imagine the look on his face if you told him to rack his own balls? No chance!

This is very manageable and there are countless examples of it working.....if it's managed, and that does create some jobs. So, as a benefit, it's good for the economy too. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
CJ Wiley said:
Can anyone imagine snooker players racking and spotting their own balls? Not hardly!
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Is the strategy in snooker to make a ball on the break? Imagine if it was. They would be down there studying the little spaces between the balls and demanding a re-rack.
 
Referees are very well respected and beyond reproach, just like ours would be.

Paul Schofield said:
Is the strategy in snooker to make a ball on the break? Imagine if it was. They would be down there studying the little spaces between the balls and demanding a re-rack.
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That's not allowed at the Mosconi Cup. Their Referees are very well respected and beyond reproach, just like ours would be.

Michaela Tabb
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is one of my all time favorite people I've met in the pool world. We talk on Face Book and she was the Referee for our 2012 Mosconi Cup matches.

England puts on classy events and the Referees with the white gloves are an important part of their events......we will be best off following suit. :thumbup:
 
CJ Wiley said:
That's not allowed at the Mosconi Cup. Their Referees are very well respected and beyond reproach, just like ours would be.

Michaela Tabb is one of my all time favorite people I've met in the pool world. We talk on Face Book and she was the Referee for our 2012 Mosconi Cup matches.

England puts on classy events and the Referees with the white gloves are an important part of their events......we will be best off following suit. :thumbup:
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That is not a fix (attractive woman with white gloves). That is a distraction. Fix the problem and you won't need her.
 
they need Referees in Boxing, Basketball, Football, and most every other competition

Paul Schofield said:
That is not a fix (attractive woman with white gloves). That is a distraction. Fix the problem and you won't need her.
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This does fix the problem. We never had a complain in the Mosconi Cup and as a matter of fact they've NEVER had a complaint about the rack.

We need Referees in this wonderful game, just like they need Referees in Boxing, Basketball, Football, and most every other reputable competition.

'The Game is the Teacher' CJ Wiley

PS: Michaela Tabb is a great Referee, she also happens to be an attractive woman with white gloves. Be respectful, Paul, she's a professional and, like ours will be, she's to be respected by players AND promoters.
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CJ Wiley said:
This does fix the problem. We never had a complain in the Mosconi Cup and as a matter of fact they've NEVER had a complaint about the rack.

We need Referees in this wonderful game, just like they need Referees in Boxing, Basketball, Football, and most every other reputable competition.

'The Game is the Teacher' CJ Wiley

PS: Michaela Tabb is a great Referee, she also happens to be an attractive woman with white gloves. Be respectful, Paul, she's a professional and, like ours will be, she's to be respected by players AND promoters.
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C.J. You are terribly mistaken. You think that pool is played at the Mosconi Cup. In the big picture, the Mosconi Cup is irrelavent. Pool is played in a million taverns, billiard rooms, and home game rooms around the world. Let's give them real solutions, not an attractive women with white gloves.
 
the topic is Pro Events.

Paul Schofield said:
C.J. You are terribly mistaken. You think that pool is played at the Mosconi Cup. In the big picture, the Mosconi Cup is irrelavent. Pool is played in a million taverns, billiard rooms, and home game rooms around the world. Let's give them real solutions, not an attractive women with white gloves.
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I have no idea what you are talking about, the topic is Pro Events. Did you happen to read the topic of this thread? Please do your homework. :idea2:
 
CJ Wiley said:
I have no idea what you are talking about, the topic is Pro Events. Did you happen to read the topic of this thread? Please do your homework. :idea2:
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Don't you get it? You (as a pro) have got to have a common thread with the common every day player. Do you want a paying audience. Get in touch.

An attractive woman with white gloves is not an alternative for a Magic Rack. The pretty girl with white gloves is a nice prop but should never be an answer to a serious problem.
 
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Paul Schofield said:
C.J. You are terribly mistaken. You think that pool is played at the Mosconi Cup. In the big picture, the Mosconi Cup is irrelavent. Pool is played in a million taverns, billiard rooms, and home game rooms around the world. Let's give them real solutions, not an attractive women with white gloves.
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Actually the Mosconi Cup is relevant and your no conflict is not....... Ms. Tabb is a well respected member of the industry and not just a crackpot room owner... She deserves and should be given respect....

You overstepped your yard by a mile this time Paul.....

Chris Renfro
 
The Renfro said:
Actually the Mosconi Cup is relevant and your no conflict is not....... Ms. Tabb is a well respected member of the industry and not just a crackpot room owner... She deserves and should be given respect....

You overstepped your yard by a mile this time Paul.....

Chris Renfro
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This is where you folks just don't get it. Pool is a local sport everywhere in this country. What I do is relevent to the 1000 or so players in my area. Not 5 of those 1000 could tell you anything about the Mosconi cup. IMO, C.J. and the rest of that community has got to embrace this concept to further their cause (and mine too).
 
CJ Wiley said:
Refs rack the matches, they are the same person. I'm only talking about Pro Events, and there's nothing flawed about it, I have seen it work on countless occasions. There's no reason not to do it, unless..........someone doesn't want to do it. ;)

I believe in being solution oriented, and I'm sure you do too. The tournament would have a "LEAD REFEREE" and they could be responsible for training and managing the Refs. This is much easier than managing a restaurant or bar, don't you think?

This will be a "no brainer" in my opinion, and am willing prove it will work if you need me to. This is the only way we used to do it at Major Pro Events....they made the tournament much more pleasurable for the players and fans. No disputes over the rack and break were refreshing, and I predict it will be the same, even in these "complicated" times. :thumbup:
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In my mind the issue is not who racks the balls. The issue is we have to even talk about it because its accepted that players will gaffe racks because thats just how it is so lets find a way to protect them from themselves.

We get the game we deserve.

(Maybe that can be my new catch phrase.)
 
We had 3 Head Referees at that Million Dollar Challenge Tournament

The Renfro said:
Actually the Mosconi Cup is relevant and your no conflict is not....... Ms. Tabb is a well respected member of the industry and not just a crackpot room owner... She deserves and should be given respect....

You overstepped your yard by a mile this time Paul.....

Chris Renfro
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Anyone that doesn't think Referees (male or female) don't give class and fairness to a Pro Event can publicly debate this with me on azbilliards run out radio. I am willing to debate (in a professional manner) LIVE on streaming video or Run Out Radio. I'm confident to represent the Game in the best way possible, and if public debates are what it takes to make positive changes, then "rack em up". ;)
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Sometimes I feel like I've stepped into 'The Twighlight Zone"
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when discussing practical issues about improving our Game. Has THE GAME been smothered so long that solutions aren't recognized as the "breath of fresh air" they truly are?

I have no "hidden agenda," when I've done events in the past I always had Referees racking the balls. Ask Jay Helfert about this, he racked the balls in my pool room when a gentleman named Earl Stickland made the most incredible run in the history of pool. We had 3 Head Referees at that Million Dollar Challenge Tournament, Jay, John McChesney (RIP) and Robin Adair (not to mention 3 matches broadcast on PRIME (FOX)SPORTS TV).....
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things have changed in pool and it's mostly negative, it's time to bring back Referees, TV and Dress Codes for the players. The Game deserves this and if we want to "walk the walk," then we need to do the right thing to bring respect back to the Game and it's players. 'The Game is the Teacher'
 
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