Banking Secrets
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the class is getting better and better
My systems are about connecting the "outer table" (the diamonds/object balls/pockets) to the cue ball so the cue ball is the target.
Trying to hit "something" (contact point or ghost ball) on the object ball is difficult because the object ball is always a different distance, so I find it better to just align to a consistent point and focus on the cue ball to establish the specific angles. I like to align and connect tangible targets.
I want to align the same way every time with my body to the object ball and create the angles with my tip. Any other way doesn't give me the "feel and touch" to bank consistently and get pin point position on safeties or other balls. When I visually connect the cue ball to the center or edge of the OB it frees me to focus on what's vitally important - precise cue ball contact that has the feedback I need for maximizing touch and feel.
Blending the speed, angle and target on the cue ball are what sets this Touch of Inside Pivot System (TIPS) apart and makes it so effective. I just gave some private lessons teaching this TIP system today, and It's amazing how easily it's received and utilized....I have to give credit where credit's due - The Game is the Teacher :thumbup:
My systems are about connecting the "outer table" (the diamonds/object balls/pockets) to the cue ball so the cue ball is the target.
Trying to hit "something" (contact point or ghost ball) on the object ball is difficult because the object ball is always a different distance, so I find it better to just align to a consistent point and focus on the cue ball to establish the specific angles. I like to align and connect tangible targets.
I want to align the same way every time with my body to the object ball and create the angles with my tip. Any other way doesn't give me the "feel and touch" to bank consistently and get pin point position on safeties or other balls. When I visually connect the cue ball to the center or edge of the OB it frees me to focus on what's vitally important - precise cue ball contact that has the feedback I need for maximizing touch and feel.
Blending the speed, angle and target on the cue ball are what sets this Touch of Inside Pivot System (TIPS) apart and makes it so effective. I just gave some private lessons teaching this TIP system today, and It's amazing how easily it's received and utilized....I have to give credit where credit's due - The Game is the Teacher :thumbup:
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This^ I learned more about banking from Brumback's DVD than I ever learned anywhere else. It's definitely a speed thing and how the different tables play also.
just learned parallel banking, works
Parallel banking works good if you dont trust your judgment. throw, spin and speed affect banking. those are things that it doesn't account for . idt imo
Parallel banking works good if you dont trust your judgment. throw, spin and speed affect banking. those are things that it doesn't account for . idt imo
Great Feed Back
The reason I started this post was to get some dialogue going on a subject that is a major part of the game. A lot of players will play a safe rather than risk a miss on a bank. Straight pool players never play for a bank, however if that is the only shot, they tend to make with ease. Pros seem to have a leg up and hardly ever miss.
I was leaning towards are there ways to create angles to simplify the banking procedure? What I am hearing is there are too many variables and you just have to have the feel for executing the bank. Given the right cut angle, the right english, and the right speed, the shot will go if you BAMB.
I am anxious to see what CJ is coming out with. I have utilized his tecniques in shot making and it has elevated my game immensely. I am working on the TOI and see that it does work, but my stroke and speed are not consistent. I like where he says to utilize the center or the edge and than vary your tip position. These were some of the things that I thought might be utilized in banking also.
I have learned a lot from these forums that have added to my game. You just never know when someone is going to say something that leads you to say uuummm, I'll have to try that. This is what the learning process is all about and I thank all of you that contribute to this site.
Practice is a major factor in anything that you do. I am finding that you have to trust your eyes more which is a hard one to do. I think once you start looking at things differently and trusting, then the feel factor comes into play. Stop being analytical and feel the shot. I sure hope I can achieve that.
I don't mean to ramble but I wanted to convey some of my feelings to try and get feedback to help me be the best I can be. By the way, I won't see 70 again.
Thanks again everyone!
The reason I started this post was to get some dialogue going on a subject that is a major part of the game. A lot of players will play a safe rather than risk a miss on a bank. Straight pool players never play for a bank, however if that is the only shot, they tend to make with ease. Pros seem to have a leg up and hardly ever miss.
I was leaning towards are there ways to create angles to simplify the banking procedure? What I am hearing is there are too many variables and you just have to have the feel for executing the bank. Given the right cut angle, the right english, and the right speed, the shot will go if you BAMB.
I am anxious to see what CJ is coming out with. I have utilized his tecniques in shot making and it has elevated my game immensely. I am working on the TOI and see that it does work, but my stroke and speed are not consistent. I like where he says to utilize the center or the edge and than vary your tip position. These were some of the things that I thought might be utilized in banking also.
I have learned a lot from these forums that have added to my game. You just never know when someone is going to say something that leads you to say uuummm, I'll have to try that. This is what the learning process is all about and I thank all of you that contribute to this site.
Practice is a major factor in anything that you do. I am finding that you have to trust your eyes more which is a hard one to do. I think once you start looking at things differently and trusting, then the feel factor comes into play. Stop being analytical and feel the shot. I sure hope I can achieve that.
I don't mean to ramble but I wanted to convey some of my feelings to try and get feedback to help me be the best I can be. By the way, I won't see 70 again.
Thanks again everyone!
I was talking to Shannon Daulton the other day about bank pool in general, he said "The thing that makes bank pool interesting and difficult are the table conditions, like golf on a windy day, being able to adjust your game to the table". I played enough banks to know this and agree with him. home court is a HUGE advantage in banks for a player. I dont think there is another pool game that table conditions effect the game as much as banks, one hole is a close 2nd, but 2nd for sure.
It will be interesting to see what CJ has coming up.
It will be interesting to see what CJ has coming up.
if the object ball lays close to the rail it doesnt have enough time to develop natural roll and will stun off the rail and shorten up. Other ways to shorten it up are hitting it harder, hitting the cueball with enough draw to counter natural roll that develops on the cueball so that it impactsthe object ball at contact with stun, lastly by using left or right english (inside).
judging for banks that will lengthen out wider than the natural angle can be accomplished a number of ways. First hitting the ball easier allows natural roll to take effect and this will open up bank angles. banks that have angles wider than about 37 degrees (thats four diamonds total angle as you go up the side rail banking cross side or cross corner) will tend to open up as the cushion absorbs some of the energy of the ball as well as natural roll. On my home table this lengthening out varies depending on the speed and angle but shooting from corner pocket to make one rail into the same side corner its about one diamond that it lengthens out. You can also open up angles using english.
Most good bank pool players like to hit the balls firm because the shortening up effect is much easier to judge than the lengthening out the angle softly hit shot.
not to mentioning its quite rewarding to hear the pocket go THWACK when you fire in a bank. :thumbup:
judging for banks that will lengthen out wider than the natural angle can be accomplished a number of ways. First hitting the ball easier allows natural roll to take effect and this will open up bank angles. banks that have angles wider than about 37 degrees (thats four diamonds total angle as you go up the side rail banking cross side or cross corner) will tend to open up as the cushion absorbs some of the energy of the ball as well as natural roll. On my home table this lengthening out varies depending on the speed and angle but shooting from corner pocket to make one rail into the same side corner its about one diamond that it lengthens out. You can also open up angles using english.
Most good bank pool players like to hit the balls firm because the shortening up effect is much easier to judge than the lengthening out the angle softly hit shot.
not to mentioning its quite rewarding to hear the pocket go THWACK when you fire in a bank. :thumbup:
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There is no system that will provide you with the skills necessary to bank reliably. The only method available that is even close to foolproof is the same method the Pros, and all the rest of us use, and that is repetition.
Practice bank shots over, and over, and over, and over again, until your minds eye can see the shot and execute it correctly.
What he said and then some tables make you have to tweak your system some what.So you must play on it first to know how to bank.
When i get on a table that doesn't bank to what I'm use to,I bank them long and hit'em hard if i can get away with it.(I tend to bank long and hit'em hard anyways).
Anthony
Lots of useful information (including numerous video demonstrations) and "secrets" can be found here:
Here are two online videos that are good places to start:
NV B.81 - Bank and kick shot terminology and basics, from VEPS IV
NV C.14 - Bank shot cut-angle-effects drills, from VEPP IV
NV C.14 - Bank shot cut-angle-effects drills, from VEPP IV
Enjoy,
Dave
This system allows you to conform to any table condition, humidity, spin, speed, etc.
This TIPS Banking (Touch of Inside Pivot System) video is again going to be much more extensive than originally planned. The TOI video was over 11 hours of footage condensed down to 90 minutes and the TOI Pivot System is going to be even more detailed and extensive.
This system allows you to conform to any table condition, humidity, spin, speed, etc.....the reason my techniques must make these allowances is I used them on the road gambling and playing on different tables with a variety of elements every day/week. Adapting to sudden changes (like my opponents messing with the air conditioner or opening a back door) was a prerequisite to taking off the big scores consistently.
There's been recent mention of Mark Tadd, Eric, he was an incredible banker and we had a historic gambling match in Las Vegas. Some day we should tell our two perspectives of this match. It was for $20,000 and I was flown in specifically to play Mark when he was beating everyone.
'The Game was the Teacher'
This TIPS Banking (Touch of Inside Pivot System) video is again going to be much more extensive than originally planned. The TOI video was over 11 hours of footage condensed down to 90 minutes and the TOI Pivot System is going to be even more detailed and extensive.
This system allows you to conform to any table condition, humidity, spin, speed, etc.....the reason my techniques must make these allowances is I used them on the road gambling and playing on different tables with a variety of elements every day/week. Adapting to sudden changes (like my opponents messing with the air conditioner or opening a back door) was a prerequisite to taking off the big scores consistently.
There's been recent mention of Mark Tadd, Eric, he was an incredible banker and we had a historic gambling match in Las Vegas. Some day we should tell our two perspectives of this match. It was for $20,000 and I was flown in specifically to play Mark when he was beating everyone.
'The Game was the Teacher'
