Banking with the beard?

I don’t have the book. Definitely watched the video at a time I was training my game and improving my banks/kicks. The video has some low production quality and bad myths in it. And at the same time does a great job teaching banking newbies to understand the primary variables of banking (angle, cut-induced-spin, spin-induced-spin, and speed) and how you can start working them into your game in increments and combining multiple effects for cancelling effects or exaggerated effects.
 
I bought this book after speaking with Freddy on the phone. He was gracious enough to autograph it to me. Same with Grady's book. Signed with his business card. They are classics. Personally, my favorite books for banking though are the billiard atlas series books.
 
Vern Elliot had an impossible bank that Beard put in the book.
And it looked impossible! Page 167.
He also had one on p. 166. Two amazing banks.
Will Prout
 
straightline said:
I have the book in front of me. I was looking for a collection of Banks That Look Like They Don't Go - I don't recall if that's another book. I don't play banks so If one comes up I need to take, I just aim it.
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Page 167. Vern Elliot’s Impossible Bank.

Will Prout
 
Bob Jewett said:
Here is one of several examples, if it's the shot I'm thinking of. Joe Tucker makes it three out of four in another video.


Dr. Dave has a high-speed video showing that there is no double kiss and the angles involved. Lots of outside spin.
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Yep, that was the biggie in my mind. As you say, there are several.
Thanks!
Will Prout
 
Got this on Youtube. He says "Overcut it just a _little_ bit."


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The actual shot is further down the rail and just about inline with the multiple reverse bank. Little bit of right english and a hard stroke and it goes straight across.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Here is one of several examples, if it's the shot I'm thinking of. Joe Tucker makes it three out of four in another video.


Dr. Dave has a high-speed video showing that there is no double kiss and the angles involved. Lots of outside spin.
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Think part of it might be the profile of the rails? Like maybe the cloth being pulled might compress the rubber and arc the rails in an angle near the point to not be level with the rest of the rail and help the ball upward?
 
@mareh,

You should check the details of this shot. I believe as shown, you cut slightly to the right with left english. I might be dyslexic about the shot. If your stroke is good it'll take less than 2 minutes to get it. Somebody here with the DVD can clarify. I can't find the youtube anymore.
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I get it, slight cut, gives the object ball english, closing the angle for the pot, on the otherhand avoiding double kiss? I wouldnt use left english, unless opening the angle of OB.
Or am i wrong?
 
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mareh said:
I get it, slight cut, gives the object ball english, closing the angle for the pot, on the otherhand avoiding double kiss? I wouldnt use left english, unless opening the angle of OB.
Or am i wrong?
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Correct. Hit it hard like that. The bank is such a double kiss cliche that making it is counter intuitive. I still find it confusing and need to be on a table looking at it.:D
I think I'm gonna end up buying the DVDs. lol...
 
Thanks!
I really like banking. I often choose to bank or kick in a game, thats why i dont run out much, but getting there.
I used to train table tennis when i was younger and i know a lot about spins.
But pool is a different dimension.
 
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