Barioni Cues

How many of these features does your cue have?

  • CORKED SHAFT

    Votes: 8 20.5%
  • WOOD FERRULE or CUSTOM WOOD FERRULE

    Votes: 12 30.8%
  • SOLID, QUIET, NON TICKING, SMOOTH HIT

    Votes: 31 79.5%
  • VIBRATION DAMPENING CORE

    Votes: 13 33.3%
  • SAME DIAMETER HANDLE of it's full length.

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • BALANCED FOR MAXIUM POWER

    Votes: 26 66.7%
  • LETS YOU DRAW THE CUE BALL WITH EASE

    Votes: 28 71.8%
  • INCREASES THE TIP AND CUE BALL CONTACT TIME

    Votes: 13 33.3%

  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
I'll go a little further. You simply can NOT increase the dwell time between the tip and CB due to any kind of cue construction, regardless of what it is (nor can anything else). It remains at about 1/1000th of a second (it takes you 4/1000ths of a second to blink your eye, as a reflex). Second...drawing the CB has nothing to do with cue construction either. It's all about a round tip, some chalk, aiming low, and a smooth stroke...and as Rufus said, even with a house cue, a good stroke will easily draw the ball. That said, they are very nice looking cues.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

A professional BCA instructor and make statements like that? Well first let me thank you for the complement about nice looking cues. With that being said, lets take a deeper look into this. I don't know how much engineering you have done nor do I know how many cues you yourself made. But you are so wrong. Keep in mind there are a lot of people out there that have my cues as I have been building cues since 2003. They are probably laughing at your statement thinking this BCA professional Instructor still has a little to learn. So since you teach it is worth my time to educate you on a few things and maybe we can talk on the phone and I can get an education as well. (209) 233-6291. I remember playing with a Meucci back when I was a kid. I am now 40. It was a lot easier to draw the cue ball with the slimmer more flexible shafts. I know there are a lot of you players out there that can back me up here. When I say draw the ball I am speaking of at least a table length not just a foot or two. I don't really care how many mil-a-seconds it takes to blink my eye nor do I see what that has to do with this topic other than you have to keep your eyes open long enough to view the high speed photography. Because it happens so fast you better not blink! Here Is a little knowledge on engineering and cue building. A hard tip and a stiff shaft- What happens is when you go to do a power draw and you are real low on the cueball- the tip slips off the cue ball. You think you miscued. Probably did. But that is because the tip was hard and the shaft was stiff and the shaft did not move. The cue ball deflected and you miscued. I am assuming you had a level stroke and a perfect follow through. I see this happen all the time and I just laugh. I also saw this when I was studying this matter through high speed photography. How ever on the flip side- with a flexible shaft not to mention a "CORKED SHAFT" with a softer tip- what happens here is first the tip compresses. This alone increases the contact time vs. a hard non compressing tip. If its compressing it is staying in contact. The cue ball is still moving into the tip. Da! Then second the shaft starts to bend. This bending or flexing of the shaft allows the cue ball to go straighter decreasing cue ball deflection. Hit the ball off center and two things have to happen. The cue ball moves or the shaft moves. When the shaft bends or moves it is like the tip compressing. It allows the tip to stay in contact just 1/1000th of a second more. But let me tell you or better yet ask some people with one of my cues, that 1/1000th of a second makes a huge difference. How about the Base Ball player Berry Bonds. Remember back along time ago with the CORKED BAT. Ya the Base Ball only stayed in contact 1/1000th of a second but the flexing of that bat gave him an advantage sending that Baseball out of the park. Till one day when the bat shattered and they saw what was happening. Well I ran with that technology and put it to pool cues. It really does make playing pool a lot easier once you get used to playing with a non cue ball deflecting cue. Matter of fact it takes experienced players about a whole month to get used to it. But when they do, there game goes way up. It is just more accurate. And you don't have to muscle the cue ball as much which also increases your accuracy. Most lay up on these kind of shots. Well now you don't have too. For those of you out there an OB shaft or Preditor Shaft is the closest thing to a CORKED SHAFT. Those of you that have a Preditor or OB shaft can attest to fact that there more accurate and it is easier to draw the ball with these shafts. And once again I mean a table length draw not 1 foot. If after reading this reply and you don't agree or simply can't comprehend I can show you in person at our training facility with testing equipment or when I get some time I will make a you tube video showing you this. In the mean time you can call some of our customers or view the testimonials on you tube. I have a lot more testimonials that I have not posted yet simply because I had no need to till now. If you and Rufus think all you need is a house cue and a round tip, some chalk, aiming low, and a smooth stroke to draw a table length, then all of us can get together and bet it! I don't want to hear any crying when I draw 2 table lengths or three on a fast table! With that being said, I do have respect for Professional BCA Instructors. I love this sport and it is challenging. I guess that is why it keeps all of us interested in the game. I do offer cue repair as I did this for four year before I became a cue builder. If you send me a shaft, I can "CORK" it for $100.00 plus shipping. I can turn a high cue ball deflecting shaft into the sweetest hitting , non cue ball deflecting dream shaft. I have been doing this for 11 years now and there are so many players out here that have this done. Once I do there shaft they have me do all of them. I promise you- one day you will have me tune up one of you cues. Then after you get it you will order one of mine! Think I am full of it? I'll give you numbers all over the world to call and you can see for your self.
 
Bad marketing approach IMO.

1. Scott Lee is one of the most respected instructors and ambassadors of the game in the country.

2. If you have been making cues since 2003 and they were God's gift to pool, we would already know about them.

3. Good luck!
 
Hi sir,

Please PM me a price list of your cue... Merry widow with fancy ring and a fancy one. I don't like sneakypete or wrapless cue.

i must admitted that you seem so confident with your opinion and that you have some logical statement.
 
Bad marketing approach IMO.

1. Scott Lee is one of the most respected instructors and ambassadors of the game in the country.

2. If you have been making cues since 2003 and they were God's gift to pool, we would already know about them.

3. Good luck!

That is as lame as me saying I never heard of Scott Lee. I truly never heard of him. All I know about him is what he posted which in my opinion is wrong and I can prove it. And yes I started building cues in 2003. I also owned a custom body shop for 14 years and a manufacturing business that made custom water racks for the water industry. The reason a lot of you have not heard of me till lately is because I did not go public and advertise. I do not make my living building cues. I only make about 40 a year. It gets in my time of playing pool. A lot of what I have I didn't want other players to have. I was selfish and wanted to have an edge. I couldn't play as strong then as I do now. I needed an advantage. So since I had a 5000 sq ft shop I made my advantage. And I studied like hell. I spent thousands of dollars and payed $200 an hour to learn how to play pool. I joined all the leagues I could and went to 3 different certified BCA instructors recommended to me by the BCA. Mr. Harada was one of them. At that time a Master BCA instructor. Every one said you want a stroke,that's the guy you need to see. I sold a lot of cues and a ton of tricking out other cues and cue repair. In my area every one knows me. I play all over California. The rest of the world did not know me till last year. But getting back to the subject, I am not going to just sit hear and read these posts and not respond when their dead wrong. I don,t care who it is. Known, unknown, famous or not.
 
My cues start out at $600.00 and go up from there. Shafts are as follows. Grade A or 1 $300.00
Grade B or 2 $200.00
Grade C or 3 $100.00
All shafts will play close to the same. All shafts will be CORKED. The difference in the shafts are the clarity of wood, straightness of grain, and over quality of the shaft.

The 2 butts pictured:
5 Point Curly/ Tiger Striped Maple with Paduke Points $700.00

5 Point Birds eye Maple with Bacote Points $ 600.00

You can see the video on these two cues by logging on to http://www.youtube.com/user/BarioniCues. It's under Current Cues For Sale.
 
My cues start out at $600.00 and go up from there. Shafts are as follows. Grade A or 1 $300.00
Grade B or 2 $200.00
Grade C or 3 $100.00
All shafts will play close to the same. All shafts will be CORKED. The difference in the shafts are the clarity of wood, straightness of grain, and over quality of the shaft.

The 2 butts pictured:
5 Point Curly/ Tiger Striped Maple with Paduke Points $700.00

5 Point Birds eye Maple with Bacote Points $ 600.00

You can see the video on these two cues by logging on to http://www.youtube.com/user/BarioniCues. It's under Current Cues For Sale.
 
So are you saying that you could take a $20 cue shaft from walmart and cork it and make it 1000x better? Im not trying to be a smart ass Im just asking.
 
please pm me the price list.super looking. thanks george
My cues start out at $600.00 and go up from there. Shafts are as follows. Grade A or 1 $300.00
Grade B or 2 $200.00
Grade C or 3 $100.00
All shafts will play close to the same. All shafts will be CORKED. The difference in the shafts are the clarity of wood, straightness of grain, and over quality of the shaft.

The 2 butts pictured:
5 Point Curly/ Tiger Striped Maple with Paduke Points $700.00

5 Point Birds eye Maple with Bacote Points $ 600.00

You can see the video on these two cues by logging on to http://www.youtube.com/user/BarioniCues. It's under Current Cues For Sale.
 
So are you saying that you could take a $20 cue shaft from walmart and cork it and make it 1000x better? Im not trying to be a smart ass Im just asking.
Yes, That is exactly what I am saying. How ever all though I can make a $20 shaft from walmart play 1000 times better, I can make a quality wood shaft play 1000 times better than that. I can make a cheap wood shaft from walmart play better and hit batter and have less cue ball deflection than a lot of higher in cues. Especially ones with heavy ivory ferrules.
 
Yes, That is exactly what I am saying. How ever all though I can make a $20 shaft from walmart play 1000 times better, I can make a quality wood shaft play 1000 times better than that. I can make a cheap wood shaft from walmart play better and hit batter and have less cue ball deflection than a lot of higher in cues. Especially ones with heavy ivory ferrules.


Have you ever tried doing something like that? Getting a cheap cheap I mean CHEAP cue and corking the shaft to see how it plays ? (once again not trying to be a smart ass and just asking)
 
Have you ever tried doing something like that? Getting a cheap cheap I mean CHEAP cue and corking the shaft to see how it plays ? (once again not trying to be a smart ass and just asking)

Yes, as dumb as it sounds.
Just about two months ago I moved my shop to Merced. I had a lot of electrical to do. A local pool player and electrician helped me as a favor with the electrical. After words we played pool for a while. He had a $40.00 cue from Big Five or Wal-Mart. It was not graphite. It had a hard rock maple shaft but it was stiff and looked like a tree trunk. The taper was horrendous! It had a really bad tick every time he hit the cue ball. It drove me nuts. So as a favor to him and to keep my sanity, I corked the shaft for him and re-tapered the shaft also. I put on one of my light weight designer ferrules. It hit and played so good. He went and played at the Senior club the next day. He was kicking every buddy's butt over there. The next day he came over to my shop with 4 shafts. He said they all hit with his cue and they now want theirs corked to.
 
Are you selling your cue separetly. I mean the butt alone cost 600$ and The shaft start from 100$. Or 600$ already one set cue (Butt and shaft). And for 600$ what grade of shaft do i get? and I really can not play with a wrapless cue. Do you make a cue with linen wrap or embossed skin wrap?

one more thing, i'm a merry widow/ plain jane follower. Can you reduce the price for a plain jane cue?

Best
Dedy (Indonesia)
 
yo man are you and Jim Pierce going to play or what? can i get a side bet in if you guys end up playing?

Jim Pierce already played my friend Russel. They played at Breaktime. Race to 7 for $50. Jim and Russel went 6 to 6 on the first set, pulled it back and added $20. Jim won 7 to 5. Russel won the second set 7 to 5 for $50. The third set was 6 to 6 and Jim won the next game which won him the set for $50. I did not expect Jim to play that well against Russel but he did. I my self need weight to play either one of those guys.
 
Yes, as dumb as it sounds.
Just about two months ago I moved my shop to Merced. I had a lot of electrical to do. A local pool player and electrician helped me as a favor with the electrical. After words we played pool for a while. He had a $40.00 cue from Big Five or Wal-Mart. It was not graphite. It had a hard rock maple shaft but it was stiff and looked like a tree trunk. The taper was horrendous! It had a really bad tick every time he hit the cue ball. It drove me nuts. So as a favor to him and to keep my sanity, I corked the shaft for him and re-tapered the shaft also. I put on one of my light weight designer ferrules. It hit and played so good. He went and played at the Senior club the next day. He was kicking every buddy's butt over there. The next day he came over to my shop with 4 shafts. He said they all hit with his cue and they now want theirs corked to.

Cool deal, if it works it works and you cant argue with fact. I just might have to send you one of my shafts one day.......If I can ever afford to eat more than a happy meal......at least the smiles are free ;)
 
Are you selling your cue separetly. I mean the butt alone cost 600$ and The shaft start from 100$. Or 600$ already one set cue (Butt and shaft). And for 600$ what grade of shaft do i get? and I really can not play with a wrapless cue. Do you make a cue with linen wrap or embossed skin wrap?

one more thing, i'm a merry widow/ plain jane follower. Can you reduce the price for a plain jane cue?

Best
Dedy (Indonesia)

Ya I make plain Janes. I also do wraps. I mostly re-wrap cues. The cues I make, I get very few wanting a wrap. Most of the cues I sale are word of mouth. Someone hits with one and says they want one just like the one they hit with. The problem with the wrap is they slip to much in your hand. Hard to keep control of it if your used to a non wrapped cue. I guess that is why Meucci started clearing over them. I get so many people saying they can't stand a wrapped cue. I my self have had both. I can't stand a wrapped cue in less it is grippy. As far as the cost, I never sold one of my cues for less than $500. My first cue back in 2003 sold for $500 and the guy still gas it. He has been offered $1000 for it a couple of times a couple of weeks after I made it. That set the price. I have made and sold over 100 cues and most are selling for $800 to $1400.
 
Cool deal, if it works it works and you cant argue with fact. I just might have to send you one of my shafts one day.......If I can ever afford to eat more than a happy meal......at least the smiles are free ;)

Ya, I know what you mean. This economy sucks!!
The wood cost so much. I wish I could grow my own wood. I go through wood like crazy. Real pretty wood is expensive.
 
Ya I make plain Janes. I also do wraps. I mostly re-wrap cues. The cues I make, I get very few wanting a wrap. Most of the cues I sale are word of mouth. Someone hits with one and says they want one just like the one they hit with. The problem with the wrap is they slip to much in your hand. Hard to keep control of it if your used to a non wrapped cue. I guess that is why Meucci started clearing over them. I get so many people saying they can't stand a wrapped cue. I my self have had both. I can't stand a wrapped cue in less it is grippy. As far as the cost, I never sold one of my cues for less than $500. My first cue back in 2003 sold for $500 and the guy still gas it. He has been offered $1000 for it a couple of times a couple of weeks after I made it. That set the price. I have made and sold over 100 cues and most are selling for $800 to $1400.

yep word of mouth is how i heard about your cues.
i'm pretty impressed with the way your cues play and i'd like to see you get a few orders on here. can't wait to see the plane janes you come up with.
 
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