Barioni Cues

[hangemhigh]

Not a table length but how about 2 table lengths?

How about 3, 4, or 5? When does it become a moot point? You were the one touting a table length over 1 or 2 feet.

QUOTE[Barioni Cues]I remember playing with a Meucci back when I was a kid. I am now 40. It was a lot easier to draw the cue ball with the slimmer more flexible shafts. I know there are a lot of you players out there that can back me up here. When I say draw the ball I am speaking of at least a table length not just a foot or two.

 

[Barioni Cues]

Then second the shaft starts to bend. This bending or flexing of the shaft allows the cue ball to go straighter decreasing cue ball deflection. Hit the ball off center and two things have to happen. The cue ball moves or the shaft moves. When the shaft bends or moves it is like the tip compressing. It allows the tip to stay in contact just 1/1000th of a second more. .
Sorry Joe, ALL WRONG.
When you hit the cueball to the side, the tip deflects off the cueball and the cueball squirts off the tip.
It's simple physics Predator already proved eons ago. Make the front of the shaft really lightweight so at the point of impact, the tip DEFLECTS away from the cueball before the cueball deflects off the tip ( it still does of course at certain amount ).
That's why Predator and OB1 shafts do not make for good masse' and jump shafts b/c when you trap that ball hard, their tips would not stay in contact long enough on the ball . They deflect OFF the cueball faster than regular stiff shafts.
In conclusion, the less time that tip is on that cueball, the less it would squirt.
I don't know why you're even comparing corked bats. Corked bats allowed for batters to swing thru the zone FASTER, with their regular size bats . It has nothing to do with contact time. Just acceleration with a little less WEIGHT on the bats.

First of all, regarding the bats, the corked bats allowed the bat to flex. This flexing pole vaulted the base ball. kind of like a bow and arrow. The flexing of the bat added to the power. Your right about what you said "When you hit the cueball to the side, the tip deflects off the cueball and the cueball squirts off the tip." Of course this is what happens with most shafts- not "CORKED SHAFTS". Before you go out talking about Masse' Cues you should look at my video on you youtube. Under Masse' cues. That has a corked shaft. Doesn't look like the ball is getting trapped there. Mike Massey didn't have a problem when he used my cue in an exhibition in Stockton when the tip on his cue fell off. There was plenty of people watching at Eddies Classic Billiards. I encourage you to look at the Masse' video. You might think differently.

 

[poolplayer2093]

First of all, regarding the bats, the corked bats allowed the bat to flex. This flexing pole vaulted the base ball. kind of like a bow and arrow. The flexing of the bat added to the power. Your right about what you said "When you hit the cueball to the side, the tip deflects off the cueball and the cueball squirts off the tip." Of course this is what happens with most shafts- not "CORKED SHAFTS". Before you go out talking about Masse' Cues you should look at my video on you youtube. Under Masse' cues. That has a corked shaft. Doesn't look like the ball is getting trapped there. Mike Massey didn't have a problem when he used my cue in an exhibition in Stockton when the tip on his cue fell off. There was plenty of people watching at Eddies Classic Billiards. I encourage you to look at the Masse' video. You might think differently.

it's not really my place but i'm going to do it anyway. do yourself a favor and don't turn this into a pissing contest.
"do you want to be righ or do you want to be happy?" My doctor Phil quote of the day,lol.

for real though don't worry too much about who's right about this tiny detail. you make a great looking cue that's going to play the way a lot of people like cues to play. focus on that

 

[Barioni Cues]

Personally, I don't particularly appreciate opening a poll thread in the main forum only to find I've been suckered in to a sales pitch. I also get a kick out of you being new here and jumping on some highly respected members of this board.

Do all of us a favor and keep your sales pitches in the For Sale forum. Oh, and buy a Club Membership. Since the only reason you are here is to move product it is the least you can do.

You don't even know me. Sorry you feel like you got suckered into a sales pitch. It was not my intent. I was trying to let the rest of the pool world know about something new. Like I said I am new to the forums. I am not up to par on all the rules and regs. nor was I aware that I violated any of them. As for jumping on highly respected members of this board, If you look I was not the first to start this. He jumped on me first. I don't mind it. It is his opinion and he is entitled to it. You are dead wrong if you think I am only here to move product. I love pool and every thing to do with it. And personally I can care less what my opponents play with. I'll take all the advantages I can get. Now clue me in on this Club Membership. How much is it and what does it en-tel?

 

[poolplayer2093]

You don't even know me. Sorry you feel like you got suckered into a sales pitch. It was not my intent. I was trying to let the rest of the pool world know about something new. Like I said I am new to the forums. I am not up to par on all the rules and regs. nor was I aware that I violated any of them. As for jumping on highly respected members of this board, If you look I was not the first to start this. He jumped on me first. I don't mind it. It is his opinion and he is entitled to it. You are dead wrong if you think I am only here to move product. I love pool and every thing to do with it. And personally I can care less what my opponents play with. I'll take all the advantages I can get. Now clue me in on this Club Membership. How much is it and what does it en-tel?

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=86523

 

[Barioni Cues]

it's not really my place but i'm going to do it anyway. do yourself a favor and don't turn this into a pissing contest.
"do you want to be righ or do you want to be happy?" My doctor Phil quote of the day,lol.

for real though don't worry too much about who's right about this tiny detail. you make a great looking cue that's going to play the way a lot of people like cues to play. focus on that

Thanks Bro!
You are right. I don't have time for pissing contests right now any way. Personally, I would reather be playing pool. Besides players can see and hit with the cues in person. Then theres no argument. The proof is in the pudding. Hey I am playing Wednesday at Breaktime for the League around 7.
If you need a tip or ferrule or something let me know. Its on the house. Nothing better than free!

 

[cuesmith]

My cues start out at $600.00 and go up from there. Shafts are as follows. Grade A or 1 $300.00
Grade B or 2 $200.00
Grade C or 3 $100.00
All shafts will play close to the same. All shafts will be CORKED. The difference in the shafts are the clarity of wood, straightness of grain, and over quality of the shaft.

The 2 butts pictured:
5 Point Curly/ Tiger Striped Maple with Paduke Points $700.00

5 Point Birds eye Maple with Bacote Points $ 600.00

You can see the video on these two cues by logging on to http://www.youtube.com/user/BarioniCues. It's under Current Cues For Sale.

If you're going to build cues, you might want to learn how to spell. There's no such woods as paduke or bacote. They're padauk and bocote. Predator came out with and hold a patent on "corked shafts" which I understand they

protect aggressively. The cues I saw look very nice and I'm sure you'll find buyers for them but you're not really doing anything new and different. As far as the softer tip putting more spin on the ball, that theory has been

debunked many years ago using very "high end" high speed photography. The longer the tip is in contact with the cue ball the less spin you'll get. As far as low deflection shafts go, they all deflect some and some of us believe

it's easier to judge when you use a hard rock maple shaft and play with it until you're used to the deflection. Larger increments are easier to adjust than smaller ones. Good luck in the cue business. I've been building cues for pro

and amateur players since 1984 with several Hall of Famers who've found my cues to be a great tool to work with. May you be so lucky.

 

[Barioni Cues]

If you're going to build cues, you might want to learn how to spell. There's no such woods as paduke or bacote. They're padauk and bocote. Predator came out with and hold a patent on "corked shafts" which I understand they

protect aggressively. The cues I saw look very nice and I'm sure you'll find buyers for them but you're not really doing anything new and different. As far as the softer tip putting more spin on the ball, that theory has been

debunked many years ago using very "high end" high speed photography. The longer the tip is in contact with the cue ball the less spin you'll get. As far as low deflection shafts go, they all deflect some and some of us believe

it's easier to judge when you use a hard rock maple shaft and play with it until you're used to the deflection. Larger increments are easier to adjust than smaller ones. Good luck in the cue business. I've been building cues for pro

and amateur players since 1984 with several Hall of Famers who've found my cues to be a great tool to work with. May you be so lucky.

Thanks for your input Sherm. I saw some of your work in the blue book. Nice. My shafts are way different than Preditors. There shafts are not corked. That is a trade name I coined years ago. There is no cork in my shafts. The front end of my shafts are constructed totally different. I also use wood ferrules. I should have looked up how to spell the woods. I know that makes me look retarded. I was in a hurry and didn't really think it would have mattered. I guess I should have taken the time to look it up. Your years of experience speaks for itself. I feel I am doing a lot of different things because I have not seen them in other cues. Like my ferrules for instance and the same dia. handle to just mention a few. I am with Bob Meucci on the point that I think it is easier to judge deflection on smaller increments. I feel I can adjust to the ball deflecting 3/16" instead of 1 or 2 inches. Every player that has hit or has one of my cues all say the same thing. " man this cue puts a lot of juice on the ball". Most have to play with it a while because it can take a while to get used to it. They just want to draw a foot and it end up going 3. Thanks again for your input and correct spelling.

 

[kobyp]

I believe it has already been stated that the ability to draw a ball comes primarily from a person's stroke.

"garbage in = garbage out" You can't expect to do anything great just by having the equipment, you have to have the knowledge and understanding of how to use that equipment. And THEN, put in the time gaining the experience. I couldn't walk into Guitar Center and buy a Gibson Explorer and instantly become James Hetfield from Metallica. Do you see what I mean?

Your cues do look unique, and I may be interested in trying one out later down the line.

 

[HollyWood]

I have tested tips and Shafts for yrs. to give myself the edge

Hello Mr. Barioni I am not sure using Bob Meucci cues as a reference is good. They were and are the cheapest Production cues made- blk dot,red dot shaft- anymodel. I had models come apart in months if not days of playing. And it was not from miss use. I believe he fell far short of his theorys. I think the best work Bob Meucci did was when he worked for Jim McDermott, Had friends like Bob Runde, (schon cues,and Runde cues, Nubs wagner,(Novacues). there are others, I can quote if neccessary. as far as Mike Massey he can shoot the lites out with anyones cues. But the last time I saw Mike and Doctor cue (they both had pred. shafts on there cues. As for Scott Lee he does not use ob or other LD shafts. He had an ivory ferruled shaft far as I remember. He teaches you to develop e a straight stroke and use it. Scott Lee has already proved his ability's as a teacher,of Pool. But in the act of being Fair If you except my challenge ?? I will let you convert a B-model second From Jim Mcdermott(1970) for 50.$ and I will report the playability results- Just like I did in the AZ Cuemakers comparison. And If Your shaft tricks work I can send you BEM, Hard ,soft curl -underwater woods in exchange for a complete combo. Since great wood is hard to find. mark

 

[qbilder]

Some well meant advice. You'd be wise to consider your competition and put yourself into perspective so you know where you stand in terms of quality compared to other builders. From there you can assess your position & price your cues accordingly. You are charging $900 for a very simple cue equipped with one high grade shaft. You are charging $300 for good shafts, and asking less for sub quality shafts. Your competition doesn't even offer sub quality shafts and for their top grade shafts they charge at most what you do for your mid grade shafts. By competition i'm referring to other builders who are doing work comparable to the pics you are showing of your work. I can only assume you are showing the typical or top end of your ability level. Nobody shows their junk in their sales pitch. So I can only assume what you have shown is a solid representation of your level. Correct me if that's wrong.

Given your pictures, knowledgeable buyers can quickly asses your level and place you in the hierarchy of cue builders. I'm not here to judge you & won't but I will hint at you that your pricing is not consistent with your position. Barry Szamboti, Dennis Searing, Richard Harris, Lauri Franklin, Ron Haley, etc. charge your rates for shafts. And they don't even offer sub quality products. They throw it away & only put out something they are proud to have their name attached to. Your top of the line shaft is their only shaft, their standard. And they don't advertise nor need to. Their cues have history, track records that speak volumes so they don't have to give sales pitches. Everybody who buys one is entrusting the general public's opinion, not the sales babbles of the builder. Point being, you might think about reassessing your approach & maybe take a more humbled path. It looks better in the eyes of buyers & if your product is as good as you think it is, then it'll give you more business than you can handle & you won't have to say a word.

One last thing is the sales babble. True or not, your claims give a scammer's stinch. Some folks will most certainly buy into it but you'll miss the big boat. You want the big boat. You need the big boat. Ask Eddie Wheat about missing the big boat because of his mouth. He swore he could prove his claims, too. Where is he now? Oh, you haven't heard of him? Enough said. He went nowhere real fast. Let your work speak for you. It'll say volumes about you as well as their quality. If you want to talk cues, go to the cuemaker forums & get involved. I promise you'll learn something. Hopefully you can contribute something. But know it all self promotion is not a well succeeded tactic in the cue market. You are new & only have a couple of threads. Not a big deal. As badly as this one went, imagine how it'll be if you continue the same way. So again, just some friendly advice. Take it, or not. Time will reveal your worth regardless.

 

[poolplayer2093]

man it's a tough crowd

 

[qbilder]

man it's a tough crowd

He talks a tough game.

Point at hand (speaking about Scott Lee):

I am going to get every player I know that is a 100 speed or more on youtube showing he is full of it. I called some of my semi professional pool playing buddies and told them his theory. They laughed. He must be teaching beginners.

 

[Barioni Cues]

Hello Mr. Barioni I am not sure using Bob Meucci cues as a reference is good. They were and are the cheapest Production cues made- blk dot,red dot shaft- anymodel. I had models come apart in months if not days of playing. And it was not from miss use. I believe he fell far short of his theorys. I think the best work Bob Meucci did was when he worked for Jim McDermott, Had friends like Bob Runde, (schon cues,and Runde cues, Nubs wagner,(Novacues). there are others, I can quote if neccessary. as far as Mike Massey he can shoot the lites out with anyones cues. But the last time I saw Mike and Doctor cue (they both had pred. shafts on there cues. As for Scott Lee he does not use ob or other LD shafts. He had an ivory ferruled shaft far as I remember. He teaches you to develop e a straight stroke and use it. Scott Lee has already proved his ability's as a teacher,of Pool. But in the act of being Fair If you except my challenge ?? I will let you convert a B-model second From Jim Mcdermott(1970) for 50.$ and I will report the playability results- Just like I did in the AZ Cuemakers comparison. And If Your shaft tricks work I can send you BEM, Hard ,soft curl -underwater woods in exchange for a complete combo. Since great wood is hard to find. mark

I agree with all you said Bro! I will do it for$50. As far as Mr.Lee is concerned, I don't know that much about him. I checked out his web sight and I wasn't all that impressed. Bert Kinister says a lot of teachers suck and he can give the 8 to most of them. This statement is in one of his tape I have. I am willing to bet some of my money that Mr. Lee can't teach nor play as well as Bert. Maybe I am wrong but I am a huge fan of Bert Kinister. I think he is one of the best, most knowledgeable teachers. I also like the Drill doctor. Mr.Espizito. I don't know if I am spelling that right but I am not going to dig out his videos to check it. Maybe Mr. lee and I got off on the wrong foot. I am skeptical now because of his statements. I am going to get every player I know that is a 100 speed or more on youtube showing he is full of it. I called some of my semi professional pool playing buddies and told them his theory. They laughed. He must be teaching beginners.

 

[JoeyInCali]

I agree with all you said Bro! I will do it for$50. As far as Mr.Lee is concerned, I don't know that much about him. I checked out his web sight and I wasn't all that impressed. Bert Kinister says a lot of teachers suck and he can give the 8 to most of them. This statement is in one of his tape I have. I am willing to bet some of my money that Mr. Lee can't teach nor play as well as Bert. Maybe I am wrong but I am a huge fan of Bert Kinister. I think he is one of the best, most knowledgeable teachers. I also like the Drill doctor. Mr.Espizito. I don't know if I am spelling that right but I am not going to dig out his videos to check it. Maybe Mr. lee and I got off on the wrong foot. I am skeptical now because of his statements. I am going to get every player I know that is a 100 speed or more on youtube showing he is full of it. I called some of my semi professional pool playing buddies and told them his theory. They laughed. He must be teaching beginners.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/jax_bd150.pdf
Read up on that and let us know what you think.

 

[blackpearlmaker]

Some well meant advice. You'd be wise to consider your competition and put yourself into perspective so you know where you stand in terms of quality compared to other builders. From there you can assess your position & price your cues accordingly. You are charging $900 for a very simple cue equipped with one high grade shaft. You are charging $300 for good shafts, and asking less for sub quality shafts. Your competition doesn't even offer sub quality shafts and for their top grade shafts they charge at most what you do for your mid grade shafts. By competition i'm referring to other builders who are doing work comparable to the pics you are showing of your work. I can only assume you are showing the typical or top end of your ability level. Nobody shows their junk in their sales pitch. So I can only assume what you have shown is a solid representation of your level. Correct me if that's wrong.

Given your pictures, knowledgeable buyers can quickly asses your level and place you in the hierarchy of cue builders. I'm not here to judge you & won't but I will hint at you that your pricing is not consistent with your position. Barry Szamboti, Dennis Searing, Richard Harris, Lauri Franklin, Ron Haley, etc. charge your rates for shafts. And they don't even offer sub quality products. They throw it away & only put out something they are proud to have their name attached to. Your top of the line shaft is their only shaft, their standard. And they don't advertise nor need to. Their cues have history, track records that speak volumes so they don't have to give sales pitches. Everybody who buys one is entrusting the general public's opinion, not the sales babbles of the builder. Point being, you might think about reassessing your approach & maybe take a more humbled path. It looks better in the eyes of buyers & if your product is as good as you think it is, then it'll give you more business than you can handle & you won't have to say a word.

One last thing is the sales babble. True or not, your claims give a scammer's stinch. Some folks will most certainly buy into it but you'll miss the big boat. You want the big boat. You need the big boat. Ask Eddie Wheat about missing the big boat because of his mouth. He swore he could prove his claims, too. Where is he now? Oh, you haven't heard of him? Enough said. He went nowhere real fast.
Let your work speak for you . It'll say volumes about you as well as their quality. If you want to talk cues, go to the cuemaker forums & get involved. I promise you'll learn something. Hopefully you can contribute something. But know it all self promotion is not a well succeeded tactic in the cue market. You are new & only have a couple of threads. Not a big deal. As badly as this one went, imagine how it'll be if you continue the same way. So again, just some friendly advice. Take it, or not. Time will reveal your worth regardless.

Basic is still usefull in everyway..

 

[mnb]

I have hit with Mr. Barioni's cues and they do hit like a Meucci.

 

[mdavis228]

Beating people into submission is a poor tactic for instilling respect, or creating the kind of interest that positively influences sales.
The original post was an inventive idea... didn't tweak my trigger, but so what.
You lost me when you went from sales to provocation.
I'll leave it to you to say "So What" to that...

 

[Worminator]

I'm sorry but the only thing that keeps popping into my head when I read your posts is... Phoney Barioni...

 

[mia]

I don't know whether a 'corked' shaft is amazing or not 'cause, I've never tried one. I'm not really sure its even necessary.

I will say that when your rings are twice as thick as TWO of you points put together, you might want to go back to the drawing board.

- B <-------- just sayin'