Barry Hearn - Promoter - Does He Have Lessons For American Pool Promotion?


Thank you so much for putting up the links for that interview. Barry Hearn really has a great head on his shoulders I think, I just wish we had some one like that in America getting a Pro Pool Tour going here. That interview was really interesting.

Just went to match room sport web site and it starts off with:

"Creating characters in the sporting arena for over twenty-five years"

That's it in a nut shell, people tune in to see the character they like, or love to hate either way it's a win win situation
for the sport.

I think it was Howard Cosell that said "It doesn't matter if they are talking good or bad about you as long as their talking about you"

That made sense then and that still makes sense today. But it seems in pool they the powers that be were always trying to make the players to sanitized (squeaky clean in image) something becomes fake and not believable when you try to make something, something that it's not and people see right through this and you end up with nothing to sell, period. You can have a Ralph Souquet type player as one of a bunch, but you can't have a bunch of R.S. type players. He's a great player and a gentleman and I don't take anything away from him, nor am I trying to put him down here!

Yes the first wave are, "The gambling's the problem guys", then you get the second wave those are, "The pool will never get anywhere guys"

What dismays me are the people that continually harp on the gambling associated with pool as to being the root of all evil, and what brings pool to it's knees repeatedly, this is a croc of ... , it's the pitiful way that it's been promoted all these years that does that in my opinion.

There are casinos all over the world, and casinos popping up all over the states. Every time you turn around, you hear on the news that they are voting to grant a new casino license somewhere, if people were so against it this wouldn't be happening. So for foc sakes quit grasping at straws and trying to blame this over and over as the reason why they have been failing miserably at promoting this great sport. Is it just easier for you "gambling's the problem guys", than trying to think of anything else as the possible problem? Really?

I have come to find both these groups as short sighted, small minded, and frankly it's these people with that type of thinking that helps to hold this great game back. How many years can one espouse the same things over and over as they watch pool continue to decline. As a player when somethings not working you change something, you don't just do it the same way or think the same way and hope for different results.

I can't wait for these trolls to come on this thread and say how pool will never get anywhere! Hey if they keep doing what they have been doing, they'll keep getting the results they have been getting. There for you can keep patting yourselves on your collective backs and announcing to the world how brilliant you are. Believe me it's always such a pleasure to view your vision less air of superiority when you state this so proudly, I find it quit amusing and yet sad.

Actually I wrote something about not trying to whitewash the characters and gambling part of American pool just last week in a thread. But to use that even embellish upon it, I think that people here in the states have been going at this *ss backward for years and apparently so would Mr. Hearn from what he said in part two of his interview. (link in OP) Create stars not cookie cutter one dimensional robots that won't hold any ones attention. Very interesting again Thank You for posting this!

America has a history and culture of romanticizing and hero worshiping the slightly less than honorable and the very dishonorable characters of our past and present it's always been that way and always will be. This has worked in the promoting of individuals before why try to sweep this under the rug and change the image of pool? It has never worked and never will this colorful past that pool has had and does have is a plus if used correctly.

People are flat out interested in things that they've heard a little about, but don't really know about, and/or will never get the chance to experience in their own lives. Pool should use and embrace something that none of the other sports have. That thing they've always tried to sweep under the rug so to speak, with little to no results to show for it, is pools checkered past and present. If you like or agree with what I have said please comment, and if you don't well I'm sure I won't have to ask you to comment. LOL

Anyway this it seems is how the powers that be have been trying to portray the professional pool player forever, with dismal results at best, I would say. I am sure that there will be people who just won't be able to type fast enough to tell me what a jerk I am, how wrong I am and what ever else, but I really could care less have at it.

Just in your rush to bash me or what I've said, don't forget to point out where they've (the powers that be) have done such a good job, and/or how their on the right track now (good luck with that endeavor) to get a professional pool tour going and get this sport on TV where it belongs.

We all have a love for this game that's why we're on here!
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What does Hearn have to do with the PBA? (Professional Bowlers Ass) I don't think so. That's owned by two guys from Micro Soft who bought it from the five founding members, who ran and controlled it for years. After the purchase is when the money (prize funds) went up. In the U.S. I mean don't know about over there.
 
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Pool's too much of a basketcase for Hearn to tackle. It needs a benign dictatorship to draw it all together, but that concept's a fallacy.
 
America needs a Barry Hearn.

Photo is of a dart tourney.

Looks like 25,000 people in the stands.

Simply amazing. It's like religion for the working class in the UK.

Equipment required:

(1) Dart board

(3) Darts

(1) Lot of Beer

(1) Rather large stadium
 

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I have said it before, Barry Hearn is my hero. He is a genius and if he likes a sport and can see how it can be made fun he can make it happen. My concern is that he has not made a move to take over pool in the USA. Is that because he thinks it can't happen over here? Its not like he does not have an interest in the game, and its not like the events he does do over here are not successful. Maybe he just knows something we don't or is willing to accept what we are not willing to accept. jmo
 
This might sound silly but does he not feel love for the USA and therefore not want to see things succeed here?


I have said it before, Barry Hearn is my hero. He is a genius and if he likes a sport and can see how it can be made fun he can make it happen. My concern is that he has not made a move to take over pool in the USA. Is that because he thinks it can't happen over here? Its not like he does not have an interest in the game, and its not like the events he does do over here are not successful. Maybe he just knows something we don't or is willing to accept what we are not willing to accept. jmo
 
This might sound silly but does he not feel love for the USA and therefore not want to see things succeed here?

Pay attention to what he says.

Around the 3:50 mark of the first clip, he points out that he gets involved with sports that have governing organizations.

Until the players and industry bring order out of chaos by creating a governing organization U.S. pool hasn't got a prayer.

Don't look for a Savior if you will not save yourselves.
 
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Thank you so much for putting up the links for that interview. Barry Hearn really has a great head on his shoulders I think, I just wish we had some one like that in America getting a Pro Pool Tour going here. That interview was really interesting.

Just went to match room sport web site and it starts off with:

"Creating characters in the sporting arena for over twenty-five years"

That's it in a nut shell, people tune in to see the character they like, or love to hate either way it's a win win situation
for the sport.

I think it was Howard Cosell that said "It doesn't matter if they are talking good or bad about you as long as their talking about you"

That made sense then and that still makes sense today. But it seems in pool they the powers that be were always trying to make the players to sanitized (squeaky clean in image) something becomes fake and not believable when you try to make something, something that it's not and people see right through this and you end up with nothing to sell, period. You can have a Ralph Souquet type player as one of a bunch, but you can't have a bunch of R.S. type players. He's a great player and a gentleman and I don't take anything away from him, nor am I trying to put him down here!

Yes the first wave are, "The gambling's the problem guys", then you get the second wave those are, "The pool will never get anywhere guys"

What dismays me are the people that continually harp on the gambling associated with pool as to being the root of all evil, and what brings pool to it's knees repeatedly, this is a croc of ... , it's the pitiful way that it's been promoted all these years that does that in my opinion.

There are casinos all over the world, and casinos popping up all over the states. Every time you turn around, you hear on the news that they are voting to grant a new casino license somewhere, if people were so against it this wouldn't be happening. So for foc sakes quit grasping at straws and trying to blame this over and over as the reason why they have been failing miserably at promoting this great sport. Is it just easier for you "gambling's the problem guys", than trying to think of anything else as the possible problem? Really?

I have come to find both these groups as short sighted, small minded, and frankly it's these people with that type of thinking that helps to hold this great game back. How many years can one espouse the same things over and over as they watch pool continue to decline. As a player when somethings not working you change something, you don't just do it the same way or think the same way and hope for different results.

I can't wait for these trolls to come on this thread and say how pool will never get anywhere! Hey if they keep doing what they have been doing, they'll keep getting the results they have been getting. There for you can keep patting yourselves on your collective backs and announcing to the world how brilliant you are. Believe me it's always such a pleasure to view your vision less air of superiority when you state this so proudly, I find it quit amusing and yet sad.

Actually I wrote something about not trying to whitewash the characters and gambling part of American pool just last week in a thread. But to use that even embellish upon it, I think that people here in the states have been going at this *ss backward for years and apparently so would Mr. Hearn from what he said in part two of his interview. (link in OP) Create stars not cookie cutter one dimensional robots that won't hold any ones attention. Very interesting again Thank You for posting this!

America has a history and culture of romanticizing and hero worshiping the slightly less than honorable and the very dishonorable characters of our past and present it's always been that way and always will be. This has worked in the promoting of individuals before why try to sweep this under the rug and change the image of pool? It has never worked and never will this colorful past that pool has had and does have is a plus if used correctly.

People are flat out interested in things that they've heard a little about, but don't really know about, and/or will never get the chance to experience in their own lives. Pool should use and embrace something that none of the other sports have. That thing they've always tried to sweep under the rug so to speak, with little to no results to show for it, is pools checkered past and present. If you like or agree with what I have said please comment, and if you don't well I'm sure I won't have to ask you to comment. LOL

Anyway this it seems is how the powers that be have been trying to portray the professional pool player forever, with dismal results at best, I would say. I am sure that there will be people who just won't be able to type fast enough to tell me what a jerk I am, how wrong I am and what ever else, but I really could care less have at it.

Just in your rush to bash me or what I've said, don't forget to point out where they've (the powers that be) have done such a good job, and/or how their on the right track now (good luck with that endeavor) to get a professional pool tour going and get this sport on TV where it belongs.

We all have a love for this game that's why we're on here!
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What does Hearn have to do with the PBA? (Professional Bowlers Ass) I don't think so. That's owned by two guys from Micro Soft who bought it from the five founding members, who ran and controlled it for years. After the purchase is when the money (prize funds) went up. In the U.S. I mean don't know about over there.

It's a shame that your post is so loaded with defensive statements anticipating posters to knock you or criticize you.

Anyway, quick question: What type of character is Steve Davis?
 
As somebody who is from England and goes there at least once a year, I can confirm that one key difference between pool and snooker is that you can bet on snooker. This generates a lot of interest in the sport from many who would otherwise not watch it.

It was 1991, and one of the biggest entrepreneurs of the time, Steve Wynn, a man of far greater vision and means than Barry Hearn, was in the process of trying to have his Mirage Hotel overtake Caesar's Palace as the sporting event mecca of Vegas. Less than a year earlier, Steve Wynn had invested tens of millions to stage the fight between Evander Holyfield and James "Buster" Doulgas at the Mirage. To our sport's delight, The Mirage decided to take a shot on pool, bringing pool's International Challenge of Champions to their hotel and making arrangements for the event to be bettable at thier sports book. Pool had its shot at becoming a bettable sport, a shot at the being part of the scene at one of Vegas' most prestigious and wealthiest hotels, but a few dishonest pro players extinguished that opportunity.

What happened at The Mirage in 1991 remains one of the biggest scars on our sport. A dump was arranged that put some money in the hands of a few, but painted pool players as extremely dishonest and unworthy of the kind of trust needed by Vegas to book its events. Steve Wynn and The Mirage, understandably, walked away from the sport, and The Mirage and other Vegas casinos have wanted nothing to do with booking pool ever since.

The image of the pro poolplayer as a predatory dishonest gambler was, unfortunately, reinforced on this occasion, and a huge opportunity to become a bettable sport was lost for twenty years and still counting.

Barry Hearn has far more to invest in his events than American pool promoters, but it didn't have to be that way. The Mirage or some other high-end Vegas hotel might have been the American Matchroom, but pro players were so busy robbing them that Vegas had little choice but to turn their back on the idea of making pool a more mainstream sport.

The IPT, the only pool operation I an remember that inested a lot of money in its production, could have learned a lot from Barry Hearn, but until we have bigger prudction for budgets, what Barry Hearn is doing is of only marginal interest.

Nonetheleess, Matchroom is to be admired for all of its successes.
 
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Anyway, quick question: What type of character is Steve Davis?

In the second clip, around 6:45 minutes he starts talking about 8 players and developing their professional personalities.

"Steve Davis, you're a bit boring, very reliable, you wear black suit, white shirt, and drink water."

Steve also has the ability to play the game (6 World Championships), another Hearn requirement.

Steve is the tallest singer in this group :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliAPzEsao0

Some of Hearn's promotion ideas were less successful :D
 
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Europe -- The snooker event is more important than the event champion.
Darts -- the dart event is more important than the dart champion.
Golf -- The Masters event is more important than the event champion.
Kentucky Derby -- Derby event more important than the winning horse.
American pool --- the player is more important than the event.

When you kiss poolplayers asses for your event you get s$$t on your face.
A good event will get you plenty of players but plenty of players wont get you a good event.

bill
 
I would like to see him make an effort to invigorate snooker in the USA. If such an effort were successful, the pool world might sit up and take notice.
 
As somebody who is from England and goes there at least once a year, I can confirm that one key difference between pool and snooker is that you can bet on snooker. This generates a lot of interest in the sport from many who would otherwise not watch it.

It was 1991, and one of the biggest entrepreneurs of the time, Steve Wynn, a man of far greater vision and means than Barry Hearn, was in the process of trying to have his Mirage Hotel overtake Caesar's Palace as the sporting event mecca of Vegas. Less than a year earlier, Steve Wynn had invested tens of millions to stage the fight between Evander Holyfield and James "Buster" Doulgas at the Mirage. To our sport's delight, The Mirage decided to take a shot on pool, bringing pool's International Challenge of Champions to their hotel and making arrangements for the event to be bettable at thier sports book. Pool had its shot at becoming a bettable sport, a shot at the being part of the scene at one of Vegas' most prestigious and wealthiest hotels, but a few dishonest pro players extinguished that opportunity.

What happened at The Mirage in 1991 remains one of the biggest scars on our sport. A dump was arranged that put some money in the hands of a few, but painted pool players as extremely dishonest and unworthy of the kind of trust needed by Vegas to book its events. Steve Wynn and The Mirage, understandably, walked away from the sport, and The Mirage and other Vegas casinos have wanted nothing to do with booking pool ever since.

The image of the pro poolplayer as a predatory dishonest gambler was, unfortunately, reinforced on this occasion, and a huge opportunity to become a bettable sport was lost for twenty years and still counting

What were the consequences for the players involved?

Presumably nothing.

Snooker's governing body levies heavy fines and suspensions.

Steve Wynn may be "a man of far greater vision and means than Barry Hearn" but he violated one of Hearn's basic requirements for success.
 
In the second clip, around 6:45 minutes he starts talking about 8 players and developing their professional personalities.

"Steve Davis, you're a bit boring, very reliable, you wear black suit, white shirt, and drink water."

Steve also has the ability to play the game (6 World Championships), another Hearn requirement.

Steve is the tallest singer in this group :grin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BliAPzEsao0

Some of Hearn's promotion ideas were less successful :D

That was actually painful to watch.
 
Barry Hearn is a great sports promoter, pool being only one of them. Matchroom produces several pool events a year, most notably the World Pool Masters, the World Cup of Pool and the Mosconi Cup. The Masters has been held here in the USA as has the Mosconi Cup, every other year in Vegas.

The key to Matchroom's success are great people running the events, decent prize money and excellent television coverage. I'm proud that I have played a small part in the success of these shows by doing commentary alongside my buddies Jerry Forsyth and Jimmy Wych. Heading to jolly olde England this year! :smile:
 
Barry Hearn is a great sports promoter, pool being only one of them. Matchroom produces several pool events a year, most notably the World Pool Masters, the World Cup of Pool and the Mosconi Cup. The Masters has been held here in the USA as has the Mosconi Cup, every other year in Vegas.

The key to Matchroom's success are great people running the events, decent prize money and excellent television coverage. I'm proud that I have played a small part in the success of these shows by doing commentary alongside my buddies Jerry Forsyth and Jimmy Wych. Heading to jolly olde England this year! :smile:

Jay, you're the guy to ask. It gets danced around here quite often....perhaps you have some insight into this. Why doesn't Barry Hearn try to do more with pool here in the US, especially given how successful he is in Europe?
 
Jay, you're the guy to ask. It gets danced around here quite often....perhaps you have some insight into this. Why doesn't Barry Hearn try to do more with pool here in the US, especially given how successful he is in Europe?

...My concern is that he has not made a move to take over pool in the USA. Is that because he thinks it can't happen over here? Its not like he does not have an interest in the game, and its not like the events he does do over here are not successful. Maybe he just knows something we don't or is willing to accept what we are not willing to accept. jmo

I can't help but wonder of bfdlad is correct. A good first step in the right direction would be to get LIVE coverage of the Mosconi Cup here in the US. Even Barry hasn't been able to accomplish this yet.
 
Jay, you're the guy to ask. It gets danced around here quite often....perhaps you have some insight into this. Why doesn't Barry Hearn try to do more with pool here in the US, especially given how successful he is in Europe?

The U.S. television markets won't buy pool programming! It's basically that simple. Matchroom is a business, not a charity.

The Mosconi Cup is easily the most exciting pool show produced every year. If we can't get that on TV here, then there is little hope for pool in this country. I would suggest you ask this question to the heads of programming for ESPN, Fox Sports and any other network you can think of. Maybe if a million people wrote to the networks and asked to see the Mosconi Cup or the equally entertaining World Cup of Pool, they would take notice. Until then good luck.
 
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