BCA Hall of Fame Inductees

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SCCues

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The BCA inducted Mike Massey and Robin Dodson into their Hall of Fame this year. I can understand Mike Massey, but i'm puzzled about Robin Dodson being inducted before some of the great men players who aren't in the Hall of Fame yet. Does anyone have any opinions on this? I'd like to know what some of you think about this.

SCCues
 
SCCues said:
The BCA inducted Mike Massey and Robin Dodson into their Hall of Fame this year. I can understand Mike Massey, but i'm puzzled about Robin Dodson being inducted before some of the great men players who aren't in the Hall of Fame yet. Does anyone have any opinions on this? I'd like to know what some of you think about this.

SCCues
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Robin Dodson is more than deserving of the honor of being a BCA Hall of Fame Inductee. Her record speaks for itself, and so did the ballots. In the future I would love to see the BCA look at players like Richie Florence, Ronnie Allen, Johnny Ervolino, Louie Roberts, Allen Hopkins, Earl Strickland, and (a name not heard often enough in this topic) Spanish Mike Lebron. I think we all should push to get Keith McCready in. What we shouldn't do is dispute the induction of well deserving players like Robin Dodson, who is a player that has won a few World Championships.
 
SCCues said:
The BCA inducted Mike Massey and Robin Dodson into their Hall of Fame this year. I can understand Mike Massey, but i'm puzzled about Robin Dodson being inducted before some of the great men players who aren't in the Hall of Fame yet. Does anyone have any opinions on this? I'd like to know what some of you think about this.

SCCues
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First let me state, Robin was no slouch as a player. Second, there is a great deal of politics involved. The BCA is in the business of pandering to billiard businesses. Those with power, want to choose people that they feel will make great ambassadors. To them, it has more to do with image, than accomplishments. I think the BCA needs to decide if it wants to be a trade organization or a governing body. By trying to be both, it loses credibility. IMO

Tracy
 
SCCues said:
The BCA inducted Mike Massey and Robin Dodson into their Hall of Fame this year. I can understand Mike Massey, but i'm puzzled about Robin Dodson being inducted before some of the great men players who aren't in the Hall of Fame yet. Does anyone have any opinions on this? I'd like to know what some of you think about this.

SCCues
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Hi,
Black Jack already gave the reasons.She earned it and she deserves the honor.She is a good spokesperson for Pool.
vagabond
 
RSB-Refugee said:
First let me state, Robin was no slouch as a player. Second, there is a great deal of politics involved. The BCA is in the business of pandering to billiard businesses. Those with power, want to choose people that they feel will make great ambassadors. To them, it has more to do with image, than accomplishments. I think the BCA needs to decide if it wants to be a trade organization or a governing body. By trying to be both, it loses credibility. IMO

Tracy
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I am no longer in the BCA but I did used to get a vote on the Hall of Fame when I was. Once the ballot is set each voting and associate member gets to vote. So more members turned in votes for Robin than for the others. It was not decided by the BCA directors. I honestly think if it were an all male ballot Earl would probably win against anyone. But I know this may come off sounding wrong, but I believe it is often women that handle the mail for businesses and might be more likely to relate to the female on the ballot, check the box next to her name and mail it back. The ballot is normally sent to the Business members who paid $1000 or $500 per year membership. Those are the ones who voted Robin in. The ones who bought booths at the trade show decided who got in. That is the way it has always been.
 
Blackjack said:
Robin Dodson is more than deserving of the honor of being a BCA Hall of Fame Inductee. Her record speaks for itself, and so did the ballots. In the future I would love to see the BCA look at players like Richie Florence, Ronnie Allen, Johnny Ervolino, Louie Roberts, Allen Hopkins, Earl Strickland, and (a name not heard often enough in this topic) Spanish Mike Lebron. I think we all should push to get Keith McCready in. What we shouldn't do is dispute the induction of well deserving players like Robin Dodson, who is a player that has won a few World Championships.
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I tend to agree with you, Blackjack. Espically the, Ronnie, Earl and Keith, names you mention. One not mentioned that has done more for pool than any of them, as well as winning more than his share of tournaments, is, Grady Matthews. Grady, should have been in many years ago.
 
To either snub or ignore Allen Hopkins because of politics is a slap in the face to anyone watching this charade from the sidelines. Where or what is the nomination criteria? Do they just pull names out of a hat? Hell, Allen could get in just on the merits of his Super Billiard Expo alone....not to mention that he did hit a ball or two in his lifetime.
 
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Sam at TAP said:
To either snub or ignore Allen Hopkins because of politics is a slap in the face to anyone watching this charade from the sidelines. Where or what is the nomination criteria? Do they just pull names out of a hat? Hell, Allen could get in just on the merits of his Super Billiard Expo alone....not to mention that he did hit a ball or two in his lifetime.
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The story I heard was that Allen withdrew his name from nomination. Have you heard otherwise?
 
No, I did not hear otherwise Bob. But why do you think he withdrew his name? Because they have no criteria at all. That's my point here. Allen should not had to resort to with drawing his own name. I just hate it when people that are deserving of this honor are overlooked because of different agendas, politics, personal grudges or whatever. I am not taking anything from the people that are in there now but everyone knows that if those players are in there than Allen deserves to be standing along side them as well. It's a sham.
 
Sam at TAP said:
No, I did not hear otherwise Bob. But why do you think he withdrew his name? Because they have no criteria at all. ...
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Actually, they do have criteria. Lots of people seem to have a problem with the fact that they do have criteria.

If you want to help things, join the BCA and take a leadership role. To whine from the sidelines is not productive.
 
Bob Jewett said:
Actually, they do have criteria. Lots of people seem to have a problem with the fact that they do have criteria.

If you want to help things, join the BCA and take a leadership role. To whine from the sidelines is not productive.
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I didn't think I was whining Bob. Just making a point. You still didn't answer my question though. It sounds to me that you might be a voting member and if so, if there is a criteria for election (which I don't have a problem with since you need some kind of guidelines for any election) than explain to me how a person like Allen Hopkins can be over looked? When Ewa (and I mean this in no disrespect to her) got in before Allen, I think that was a slap to Allen. I feel he didn't get in because of the friction between him and the BCA. If that is the case, as I said before, personal grudges, politics, etc. have to be put on the shelf if the hall of fame is going to be legit. A person should get in on his own merits and not be held out because of petty feuds. As for the BCA criteria, whatever they have in place, I think Allen has met and passed all of them with flying colors.
 
I think pool should come up with a seperate hall of fame. Like baseball, basketball and other sports. Something where the people voting actually know about the sport!! I mean I read an article last year in BD and they were talking about if you buy a booth at the bca event you get to vote. Now I know pool is at that event but what about people just selling spas and other things not having to do with pool??? Now I may be biased in thinking people selling the spas and such at these events dont really know pool they are just doing everything they can to make a buck. I think voting should be done like this. Writers of the sport and the players select the people to go into the hall of fame. yes there is still bias there, there will always be bias no matter how you think of ways to vote. This way to me seems like its taken serious people put a lot of thought into voting. I mean I picture in my head these people (non pool related) getting thier ballots and just voting for C. I mean they have a rodeo, curling, bowling, horseback riding hall of fames why not have a pool one?? I also think you should not be allowed on the ballot until you have been retired from pro playing for at least 3 years. I dont think players still playing should be inducted. You also need to have a real hall where the players that are inducted have a place to go and thier accomplishments are out in the open so to speak. I mean now it just seems you get your name on a list on the website and get a plaque. I mean it may still be an honor to the players that are inducted in already and are going to be inducted but I think that not having a place to for fans to go is not adding value to the sport. I mean in the hall you could have the table that mosconi ran 500+ balls on (if it still exist) But I mean it would be a place to learn the history of the game!! Instead of the monthly articles in BD.
 
There is a backlog of number of well deserving players( Allen Hopkins,Earl strickland etc).If they all could be inducted enmass to HOF like they recently did with One Pocket Hall of Fame,there will not be many problems in the future.Ofcourse there will always be bickering from one corner.Cheers
Vagabond
 
Most Hall of Fames tend to be a joke after a while. The pool hall of fame is important to the players but is probalbly not as well known as some of the others like baseball or fooball. The biggest farce is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Look at who is inducted into that and who is left out.

Where is the Pool Hall of Fame located and who is inducted in it?
 
I agree with the last couple posts 100%. People that are in the retail biz of spas, etc. should not even have a vote. I suspect alot of them couldn't tell you a thing about the players on the ballot. Earl is another one that should have gotten in ahead of some others. And for a building housing a billiard hall of fame, let's face it. Would it be able to pay the bills? I doubt it. Just look at the poor turnout in Pittsburgh at the recent pro event there. How much interest do you think a hall of fame building would generate on a daily basis. Not much.
 
Sam at TAP said:
.. than explain to me how a person like Allen Hopkins can be over looked? ...
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I have voted in the past but I did not vote in the latest ballot.

Let me say it directly: I have it from almost the best authority that I know of that Allen Hopkins was in fact proposed to be on the ballot this last time and he declined to have his name on the ballot. So he was not overlooked, and this particular criticism of the BCA is not deserved.

I've seen some full nomination information packets, and the nomination committee did a lot of work to get knowledge to all the voting members. I suppose you could argue that a company that makes spas has no business voting on the HOF, but if not the voting membership of the BCA, then who should select HOF members? I think there is no other suitable organized group.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I have voted in the past but I did not vote in the latest ballot.

Let me say it directly: I have it from almost the best authority that I know of that Allen Hopkins was in fact proposed to be on the ballot this last time and he declined to have his name on the ballot. So he was not overlooked, and this particular criticism of the BCA is not deserved.

I've seen some full nomination information packets, and the nomination committee did a lot of work to get knowledge to all the voting members. I suppose you could argue that a company that makes spas has no business voting on the HOF, but if not the voting membership of the BCA, then who should select HOF members? I think there is no other suitable organized group.
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If you were apart of the voting authority, what were the reasons why Earl Strickland was not voted in?
 
Bob,
I wonder if the BCA would be willing to sell the HOF?


Bob Jewett said:
I have voted in the past but I did not vote in the latest ballot.

Let me say it directly: I have it from almost the best authority that I know of that Allen Hopkins was in fact proposed to be on the ballot this last time and he declined to have his name on the ballot. So he was not overlooked, and this particular criticism of the BCA is not deserved.

I've seen some full nomination information packets, and the nomination committee did a lot of work to get knowledge to all the voting members. I suppose you could argue that a company that makes spas has no business voting on the HOF, but if not the voting membership of the BCA, then who should select HOF members? I think there is no other suitable organized group.
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JustPlay said:
If you were apart of the voting authority, what were the reasons why Earl Strickland was not voted in?
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I don't remember if Earl was on any ballot I saw.

But the vote is secret. We can no more say why Earl was not voted in than we can say why Nixon lost against Kennedy.
 
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