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Jason Robichaud

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I recently sent an email to BCA about a league operator/room owner keeping most of the prize money and the people in the league being taken advantage of. We have 50 members on 3 different night so around 150 members. They didn't respond yet. They must just want their $15 membership fee and say screw you we got our money. BCA should realize he is using the BCA league name to rob players out of $14000 from the $21000 prize money on 3 different night.. so $40,000 or so. If a person called it the "rooms name here" I'm sure they wouldn't get over 100 people playing.

I guess BCA doesn't stand by there members. I can buy a little rule book online for less than $15.00 and give anyone $14,000. Why should our 150 members play BCA next year???
 
Jason Robichaud said:
I guess BCA doesn't stand by there members. I can buy a little rule book online for less than $15.00 and give anyone $14,000. Why should our 150 members play BCA next year???
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The point is that league play is not really for serious players. It is designed to get people into the bars and afford weak players a chance to play and enjoy themselves. Considering league play as a profitable endeavor is ridiculous. Feel free to search for a couple threads were I discuss how little our APA league actually pays out.


Essentially, if you don't like it, think you can devise a handicap system, don't mind dealing with all the b$%^&#ing; by all means start your own league and payout as much as you like. This is actually what we are doing in our area. If on the other hand you are irritated with your league and consider that your pool play need be profitable stop playing league and start gambling.
 
I have played in other BCA leagues and they all cost $12 a night with $2 going to room and $10 prize fund. The league is to promote pool and give weaker players a chance to win $$ against stronger players and to fill the room with customers. You can't compare your $5 night to a $14 night. If your league keeps $2-4 thats most of the money. When you get $450 invested into the league it isn't fun.

I am not trying to make money just get the members their $$ due. I don't think the 2nd place team should be out $150. I am the best players in the league and joined because a friend asked. I am on a bad team and wasn't looking to make $$. The problem I have is none of the players will make money.
 
Jason Robichaud said:
I have played in other BCA leagues and they all cost $12 a night with $2 going to room and $10 prize fund. The league is to promote pool and give weaker players a chance to win $$ against stronger players and to fill the room with customers. You can't compare your $5 night to a $14 night. If your league keeps $2-4 thats most of the money. When you get $450 invested into the league it isn't fun.

I am not trying to make money just get the members their $$ due. I don't think the 2nd place team should be out $150. I am the best players in the league and joined because a friend asked. I am on a bad team and wasn't looking to make $$. The problem I have is none of the players will make money.
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So it sounds to me like the local league operator is who you have your beef with. I know the BCAPL cares about its members and does not want anyone to be unhappy. Give them a chance to figure out what is going on. They are very easy to talk to, just call them up and tell them what is going on. I am sure they will do what they can.

(702)719-7665
 
Since I mentioned second, people might think I am in second looking for more $$... I am not on the second place team nor the third. Not even in the top 4. I was just hoping that BCA might step in and offer some support or tell the room operator to stop using the BCA name so people will join. When I heard BCA I thought it would be the same as the other BCA leagues I played in. BCA is why I joined. He is using the BCA name and running a house league. I am hoping something will be done. I emailed 2 weeks ago and no response yet. Who should I call or email. must be a different email than the address on their site.
 
Jason Robichaud said:
Since I mentioned second, people might think I am in second looking for more $$... I am not on the second place team nor the third. Not even in the top 4. I was just hoping that BCA might step in and offer some support or tell the room operator to stop using the BCA name so people will join. When I heard BCA I thought it would be the same as the other BCA leagues I played in. BCA is why I joined. He is using the BCA name and running a house league. I am hoping something will be done. I emailed 2 weeks ago and no response yet. Who should I call or email. must be a different email than the address on their site.
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Call the above number and ask for Bill Stock. He will know what to do.
 
I think the way it works is that the BCA does not really care how the local person runs the league as long as basic rules are followed. If the person wants to make their living running the 3 different leagues then so what. :eek:
If you do not like it you are entitles to start your own league as long as you have 30 players the BCA will sanction you. Once you do start you will have a new appreciation for the people that run these things. It is a thankless job with a lot of whinners and idiots to deal with. I would never run another league unless I made some scratch for my time.
 
If you gather enough of the league players together, you can probably "strongarm" this league operator, into returning the $$$. Otherwise, since the BCA league is not a franchise (and therefore, there are no 'protected areas'), there is nothing stopping you, or anybody else, from starting another BCA sanctioned league, right there where you live. All it requires is someone to step up, organize it (that shouldn't be hard, since the current LO is stealing the $$$), and then run it. There is nothing wrong with making a profit on running the league. It is a lot of work, and imo a league operator should be compensated in some way...but not to the tune of what you're describing (and certainly not without the knowledge and consent of the league players...ALL of them). One way, would be for the LO to get a paid for trip to Vegas, along with the teams/players that win their way from your league area. Another is for the LO to take a dollar or two per week, from the weekly fees paid by each player. That's what I did, when I was an APA LO. I told my players about it upfront, and nobody ever complained.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Jason Robichaud said:
I recently sent an email to BCA about a league operator/room owner keeping most of the prize money and the people in the league being taken advantage of. We have 50 members on 3 different night so around 150 members. They didn't respond yet. They must just want their $15 membership fee and say screw you we got our money. BCA should realize he is using the BCA league name to rob players out of $14000 from the $21000 prize money on 3 different night.. so $40,000 or so. If a person called it the "rooms name here" I'm sure they wouldn't get over 100 people playing.

I guess BCA doesn't stand by there members. I can buy a little rule book online for less than $15.00 and give anyone $14,000. Why should our 150 members play BCA next year???
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Jason Robichaud said:
Since I mentioned second, people might think I am in second looking for more $$... I am not on the second place team nor the third. Not even in the top 4. I was just hoping that BCA might step in and offer some support or tell the room operator to stop using the BCA name so people will join. When I heard BCA I thought it would be the same as the other BCA leagues I played in. BCA is why I joined. He is using the BCA name and running a house league. I am hoping something will be done. I emailed 2 weeks ago and no response yet. Who should I call or email. must be a different email than the address on their site.
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I just figured out what your problem is. Forgive me it is early.

The BCA and the BCA Pool Leagues are two completely different organizations. If you sent an email to the Billiard Congress of America and not the BCAPL at playbca.com that would explain some things.
 
It's a bit of a stretch, for the LO to be pocketing $40K from 30 teams (150 players). I didn't take that much out, when I was an APA LO, and I had 80 teams (600+ players).

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Lucky Fish said:
I think the way it works is that the BCA does not really care how the local person runs the league as long as basic rules are followed. If the person wants to make their living running the 3 different leagues then so what. :eek:
If you do not like it you are entitles to start your own league as long as you have 30 players the BCA will sanction you. Once you do start you will have a new appreciation for the people that run these things. It is a thankless job with a lot of whinners and idiots to deal with. I would never run another league unless I made some scratch for my time.
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Scott Lee said:
If you gather enough of the league players together, you can probably "strongarm" this league operator, into returning the $$$. Otherwise, since the BCA league is not a franchise (and therefore, there are no 'protected areas'), there is nothing stopping you, or anybody else, from starting another BCA sanctioned league, right there where you live. All it requires is someone to step up, organize it (that shouldn't be hard, since the current LO is stealing the $$$), and then run it. There is nothing wrong with making a profit on running the league. It is a lot of work, and imo a league operator should be compensated in some way...but not to the tune of what you're describing (and certainly not without the knowledge and consent of the league players...ALL of them). One way, would be for the LO to get a paid for trip to Vegas, along with the teams/players that win their way from your league area. Another is for the LO to take a dollar or two per week, from the weekly fees paid by each player. That's what I did, when I was an APA LO. I told my players about it upfront, and nobody ever complained.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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I cant understand if this league operator is actually a league operator or just a guy using the BCA name for a house league and ripping off the players.

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I asked for the prize break down and he gave it to me. He is taking in $21,000 from the Monday night BCA league. He is paying out $7700. He has a Tuesday night league (weaker players) and doing the same and a Wednesday night (weaker again) doing the same. When you add up the 3 nights it comes to $40,000 he is making. We got the BCA pin and rule book and first place gets $3200. He pays the team entry to the BCA and the players use the $3200 for the flight and room so, 5 players get $640 each and have $420 invested. I say he is using the BCA name... I just never heard of another BCA league keeping that kind of $$.

He tells the players, "I have rents and bills to pay". But that is why they should hold the league to get business on the slow nights. That is 150 customers in his room. I don't think he should get the prize $$. Maybe I'm just crazy.
 
Like I said...if you have the support of the other players, you can start your own BCA league. Does he own the only poolroom in your area? Is that why you're skeptical to start a competitive league? With the stats you provided, it should be EASY to move the players over to a new league...as long as you have a place to play.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Jason Robichaud said:
I recently sent an email to BCA about a league operator/room owner keeping most of the prize money and the people in the league being taken advantage of. We have 50 members on 3 different night so around 150 members. They didn't respond yet. They must just want their $15 membership fee and say screw you we got our money. BCA should realize he is using the BCA league name to rob players out of $14000 from the $21000 prize money on 3 different night.. so $40,000 or so. If a person called it the "rooms name here" I'm sure they wouldn't get over 100 people playing.

I guess BCA doesn't stand by there members. I can buy a little rule book online for less than $15.00 and give anyone $14,000. Why should our 150 members play BCA next year???
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Rather than blast the BCAPL in this forum, how hard can it be to pick up the phone and call us. We will do whatever we can to rectify the situation. Who did you send the email to? Bill Stock, BCAPL
 
Hello bill,

Not trying to bash BCA just stating no one responded to an email. I state that the operator is using BCA to get people to join and then, what I believe, stealing the prize money. I thought BCA would respond to the email. I used the contact email address on the playbca site for leagues. It was a general question/concern about the league and if BCA has an expected standard for prize breakdown. If you could help in any way that would be great.

Again I was just stating, if this isn't a concern for BCA why would I play or any of us in this league play next year. If this didn't get the attention of BCA then to me, it would seem that BCA was looking for member money and not supporting the members. My bashing is directed at the operator. I think it would be great if BCA would stand behind us and help or explain if this is regular accepted practice. I am very angry to think I supported a league "room owner" that is keeping the players money. If any help is provide I will gladly post that BCA stands behind it's members.

Thank you.
 
Talked with Bill S

Well, a phone call is way better than email. I guess they are busy taking entries at the email I used and probably didn't receive it yet. I called Bill and he was very helpful. He took the information for the room/operator and will be looking into the complaint. He said that they take this complaint very serious and will be contacting the operator.

I would edit my first post, but I think it would better to leave it and eat a little crow... and just say thank you to BCA and offer an apology for any harsh remarks directed toward them and thanks to Bill S for taking my call.
 
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