BCA Nationals 8 Ball - Fargo Discrepancy

mikepage said:
And yes, I DO favor her; she is my scotch doubles partner
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This begs the question... Should a break and run out against you carry the same weight as a loss where you had an (or more than one) inning at the table? I for one in Vegas lost a couple matches like this. Tied 2-2 (race to 5) opponent breaks and runs. Me dry break, opponent runs out. Opponent, breaks and runs out. I lose 5-2. As well in the teams I had one match where I went 0-4 and only had one inning at the table!

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bwally said:
This begs the question... Should a break and run out against you carry the same weight as a loss where you had an (or more than one) inning at the table? I for one in Vegas lost a couple matches like this. Tied 2-2 (race to 5) opponent breaks and runs. Me dry break, opponent runs out. Opponent, breaks and runs out. I lose 5-2. As well in the teams I had one match where I went 0-4 and only had one inning at the table!

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bwally said:
This begs the question... Should a break and run out against you carry the same weight as a loss where you had an (or more than one) inning at the table? I for one in Vegas lost a couple matches like this. Tied 2-2 (race to 5) opponent breaks and runs. Me dry break, opponent runs out. Opponent, breaks and runs out. I lose 5-2. As well in the teams I had one match where I went 0-4 and only had one inning at the table!

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This is a good question: Should your opponent's break & runs, where you did nothing wrong, count against your rating?

Surprisingly, the answer is yes.

If I play Linda 500 games of 8-ball, she is supposed to win about 100 and I am supposed to win about 400.

Perhaps 100 of my wins will by run-outs. Perhaps 2 or 3 of hers will be run-outs. What is important is that these run-outs are baked into the 400 to 100 expectation.

If we play 10 games, she is expected to win 2 and I am expected to win 8. Once again, the run-outs are baked into this.
 
Put_upor_shutup said:
well I know they will not be the same.Just trying to figure how i went up 30 points?I olayed minis.Surely 3 mini tournaments race to 3 cant raise me 30 points.I didnt play singles.He only played teams also.But he dropped 2 points.We shall see.Just trying to understand it better.Dont know what they could have raised me with of they didnt add the teams yet.
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WE don't raise you; YOU are playing the games.

Maybe this--score and opponent--will refresh your memory. I see this as the system doing what it is supposed to do.

3 to 2 Eddie Brightman (575)
3 to 0 Andy Klenzak
5 to 2 David Nunn (579)
2 to 3 Stan Moon (584)
3 to 0 Jason Secor (602)
6 to 1 Joe Corpuz (602)
3 to 2 Scott Miller
4 to 5 Manny Perez (678)
6 to 1 Daniel Wise
3 to 0 Randy White (637)
5 to 0 Jose Palacios
5 to 1 Sevada Yeghanian (557)

48 to 17 total against a 600-ish crowd; that's pretty sporty...
 
mikepage said:
This is a good question: Should your opponent's break & runs, where you did nothing wrong, count against your rating?

Surprisingly, the answer is yes.

If I play Linda 500 games of 8-ball, she is supposed to win about 100 and I am supposed to win about 400.

Perhaps 100 of my wins will by run-outs. Perhaps 2 or 3 of hers will be run-outs. What is important is that these run-outs are baked into the 400 to 100 expectation.

If we play 10 games, she is expected to win 2 and I am expected to win 8. Once again, the run-outs are baked into this.
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Thanks for the reply Mike. As usual you have the answer. It's probably sour grapes on my part. I felt I played the best I had in all the BCA events I have attended (4), just didn't get the results I was hoping for. Mostly because of the above post. My Fargo rating took a beating because of that too.

On another note I sent you an email the other day regarding LMS. I'm hoping to make a pitch to our League Executive very soon.

Thank you for all you're doing to help our sport.

Cheers
Brian

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robsnotes4u said:
What's it amazing?

FargoRate doesn't have a scrubbing mechanism to pull information from misc. tournaments and leagues. Data needs to be submitted.

The amazing part is all of crying done by a few of you about people who try to make the pool environment better.

You all remind me of my kids, all kids for that matter. You try to find fault, when the fault is you do not understand. Mike has been kind enough to pull out data that answers your questions. It is always answers the question.

Except for a few people, who actually want to learn, the rest of you say "but". You should say wow, that makes sense, and thank you.

All this *****ing by a bunch of keyboard cowboys who think they are the voice of pool is embarrassing. You are the whining employee who brings up problems where there are none, and should be fired.

You guys maybe professionals in your field. Mike, Steve, FargoRate, Mark and Ozzy are the professionals in theirs. They don't tell you how to do what you do. It is time you act with professionalism and do the same.

To end this. You guys crying you deserve to know who and why. They do not owe you any explanation. If you don't like it then don't play.





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They owe me an explanation when 50% of my money pays their salaries. And you keep speaking for Mike Page - I am not sure your relationship to him but if you pay attention, Mike politely responds to almost every inquiry so obviously HE THINKS people deserve an explanation. He doesn't remain silent say as Ozzy does.
 
watchez said:
They owe me an explanation when 50% of my money pays their salaries. And you keep speaking for Mike Page - I am not sure your relationship to him but if you pay attention, Mike politely responds to almost every inquiry so obviously HE THINKS people deserve an explanation. He doesn't remain silent say as Ozzy does.
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I never speak for Mike. I am a proponent of FargoRate., but I have no ties.

Any business you exchange money for a product. Unless you are an investor or owner they OWE you nothing but the product they provide

You are lucky they are transparent as they are and willing.



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watchez said:
They owe me an explanation when 50% of my money pays their salaries. And you keep speaking for Mike Page - I am not sure your relationship to him but if you pay attention, Mike politely responds to almost every inquiry so obviously HE THINKS people deserve an explanation. He doesn't remain silent say as Ozzy does.
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50 pct of your $15 membership fee goes towards CSI salaries? That's too low. They can have all of mine.

If I send you $7.50 will you shut up?

BTW if you hadn't read the 1000+ posts by Mark and Ozzy explaining that they will answer any phone call but cannot guarantee they will respond on AZB, then let this be your first.
 
sbpoolleague said:
No one is listening to a 477 whine about Fargo ratings.
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Let me know when you're on the east cost. We can play.

I guess if I were a... I don't know... 551, then my concerns would have more value? lol
 
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If this system were worth it's weight in turds I'd probably be a 551 too lol.
 
sbpoolleague said:
No one is listening to a 477 whine about Fargo ratings.
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Hey genius -- guess what player CSI is going for with the Fargo Ratings. I'll save you the phone call to Mark or Ozzy. It is the 477 player.

And when you get caught up on math then we will see if my money only adds up to $7.50.
 
Transparency.

Get rid of screeen Names

Robert Martin
Moving to Billings, Mt
Currently Bismarck:Fargo ND


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Amazing how people jump to conclusions without thinking outside the box or researching. They are too worried about finding holes.




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mikepage said:
Of course it is a work in progress. Here is Ron Mason's history (winner of bronze)

He won one out of the five matches he played in the three years he player Open singles. He did play in a couple bigger tournaments, but he went two and out both times (I believe he does brackets for some of the NYC events).

He had a good tournament and he won. Good for him. He did win 3 of his matches on the hill.
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Yes by all accounts he had a great tournament. All the data before BCA supports putting him in Bronze at 400. Playing at a 610 level throughout the tournament is a stunning achievement indeed. My only questions would be why retain that 400 starter rating at this point and what division would he be placed in if the same format were held again next week?
 
robsnotes4u said:
Amazing how people jump to conclusions without thinking outside the box or researching. They are too worried about finding holes.




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Is asking a question the same as "jumping to conclusions"?
 
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