BCA Not Flush with Cash

Jerry Forsyth

Well-known member
For those of you who have wondered why the BCA does not take a more active role in pro pool, this is from an interview done with Billiard's Digest on their "Headstring News" section:

BROOMFIELD, Colo. - Forecasting an $800,000 operating loss this year on
its balance sheet after a disappointing Expo in June, the Billiard
Congress of America is planning to tighten its belt several notches in
its next fiscal year and cut support for some high-profile events and
organizations.

Among the casualties will be the BCA's annual professional 9-ball
tournament, produced this year as the GenerationPool.com 9-Ball
Championships. The BCA also has elected not to stage an induction
ceremony for new members of the BCA Hall of Fame elected in 2009.

Those high-profile annual events were just two of the programs slashed
from the 2008-2009 budget when the BCA Board of Directors met in Lake
Forest, Ill., in early August. With the billiard industry still mired in
a horrendous economic slump and the BCA coming off its smallest trade
show in 15 years, the board of directors voted to eliminate events and
affiliated association support for at least one year.

"The board voted to suspend funding to all sources and organizations
until we can better analyze the extent of this economic downturn," said
BCA President Sean Cummings of Brunswick Billiards in an embargoed
interview last week. "We can't continue deficit spending, and we
determined that the best way to handle budget cuts was with a uniform
approach."

Cummings left open the possibility that an outside organization could
take the reins of the 9-ball event or Hall of Fame ceremony. "The
question is at what level of quality they would be staged," he said. "If
somebody wants to do it right, we would certainly entertain it."

The BCA, which derives virtually all of its revenue from its annual
International Billiard & Home Recreation Expo and through membership
dues, is projecting an $800,000 net operating loss for its 2007-08
fiscal year, which ends on Sept. 30. The association's annual pro 9-ball
tournament, which the BCA produces for telecast on ESPN, loses more than
$100,000 per year, while the annual Hall of Fame ceremonies typically
run at a $50,000 deficit.

While the final numbers from the 2008 Expo had not been tallied as of
last week, Cummings said that the Charlotte, N.C.-based show would make
at least a $60,000 profit or slightly more. For perspective, the 2006
BCA Expo in Houston generated a $1.1 million profit for the association.

The disappointing result and changed expectations prompted the BCA board
to budget very conservatively for 2008-2009.

"We had to make tough choices," Cummings said. "We cut discretionary
spending, spending on the home office, contracted services ..."

The BCA contracts its member services, accounting, technology,
association management and some public relations/marketing with Meeting
Expectations in Atlanta. The association manages the expo, marketing and
some graphic design through its office in Broomfield, Colo. Cuts in
those areas are likely to be confined to employee time allocation.

In addition to the GenerationPool.com 9-Ball Championships and the Hall
of Fame inductions, the BCA will suspend its financial support of
pool-related organizations such as the National Wheelchair Poolplayers
Association and Association of College Unions-International (ACU-I).
According to Cummings, the BCA will continue as the North American
member confederation to the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA), but
will not supply funds for American players to travel to WPA events.

According to Johnson, the budget cuts will save the BCA approximately
$300,000 in the coming budget year. Johnson insisted that education and
research will continue to be funded.

In further efforts to reel in spending, the BCA will reduce its
commitment at the Sands Expo Center in Las Vegas to a single hall for
the 2009 Expo next June. The move will reduce convention center costs to
just over $100,000, while maintaining space for about 1,000 booths.

"We have a singular objective," said Cummings. "And that is to make the
trade show a success."

Even taking into account the proposed budget cuts, the BCA is
tentatively forecasting a $200,000 loss for the 2008-2009 budget year.

Still, Cummings stressed that the association is financially sound,
despite the board's recent decisions.
 
so what is next?

it seems like thing's are getting worse instead of better. What's next? no us open? I sure hope not. I would personally like to Thank the pool gods for TAR. They might be the only ones left standing when the dust clears.
 
I don't think that the BCA cherry picks it's members for their ability to be financially successful. I think that there are many competent people with billiards business experience that could run the BCA at a profit, but they will never be elected to the Board.

Mike
 
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this economy is brutal, just brutal, recession my ass its a depression-or shortly will be one.


I have a 3500 sqft conference room, I'll donate to them for the awards thing. Its 8 mins from the Vegas airport if they want a hall of fame banbquet, Mark grifen has seen it, the construction will be complete nov 08' It holds 250 people comfortably, So if they want a awards cermony they have a free roof-no excuses, no bullshit on my end, the furnature rental and costs migh be $5,000-$10,000 wit food and everything. I will not make a penny on it and do everythig t bone cost with open book accounting, its a standing offer, Jerry, knows how to find me and we can salvage that. At least the most important peiople in our sport will get recognition and not just a post on line somewhere.
 
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Mike Templeton said:
I'm sure the way that the BCA cherry picks it's "deep pocket" Board Members, that 800G hasn't hurt them too much, IMO.

Mike


no matter how deep your pockets are, losing $$$ awalys hurts-unless your a dumb ass trust fund baby whi never earned a dime, but when you worked for it, yeah it hurts, it might not change how you live but it hurts.
 
hmmmmm

Let's see if I understand this. Lowering the BCA's profile and cutting back on the things that mean something to the players are going to improve it's bottom line? Been there and done that with my small business when there were literally no other options than to do that or fold up shop. The result: Income plummeted.

The expected result for the BCA?

Looks like they mostly cut the lean and kept the fat.

Hu
 
Could this be because they moved a money making Enjoypool.com event from Vegas.That was a stupid move.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
In addition to the GenerationPool.com 9-Ball Championships and the Hall
of Fame inductions, the BCA will suspend its financial support of
pool-related organizations such as the National Wheelchair Poolplayers
Association and Association of College Unions-International (ACU-I).
According to Cummings, the BCA will continue as the North American
member confederation to the World Pool-Billiard Association (WPA), but
will not supply funds for American players to travel to WPA events.


Cummings left open the possibility that an outside organization could
take the reins of the 9-ball event or Hall of Fame ceremony.

WOW, what great timing for the ATS and BRRMA. I hope these 2 new organizations can fill the void.

www.ats4pool.com
www.brrma.com

Mj
 
Fatboy said:
this economy is brutal, just brutal, recession my ass its a depression-or shortly will be one.


I have a 3500 sqft conference room, I'll donate to them for the awards thing. Its 8 mins from the Vegas airport if they want a hall of fame banbquet, Mark grifen has seen it, the construction will be complete nov 08' It holds 250 people comfortably, So if they want a awards cermony they have a free roof-no excuses, no bullshit on my end, the furnature rental and costs migh be $5,000-$10,000 wit food and everything. I will not make a penny on it and do everythig t bone cost with open book accounting, its a standing offer, Jerry, knows how to find me and we can salvage that. At least the most important peiople in our sport will get recognition and not just a post on line somewhere.

Eric,

You are a stand up guy in my book. I wish there were more like you. You are doing this for the love of the sport, if more people thought like you, we would be much better off in the long run. My hat is off to you, sir.

Dwight
 
jimmy-leggs said:
Could this be because they moved a money making Enjoypool.com event from Vegas.That was a stupid move.
Well at least they are being completey open about what the BCA is today.

The whole thing rises and falls on what happens one weekend a year.
 
Fatboy said:
this economy is brutal, just brutal, recession my ass its a depression-or shortly will be one.


I have a 3500 sqft conference room, I'll donate to them for the awards thing. Its 8 mins from the Vegas airport if they want a hall of fame banbquet, Mark grifen has seen it, the construction will be complete nov 08' It holds 250 people comfortably, So if they want a awards cermony they have a free roof-no excuses, no bullshit on my end, the furnature rental and costs migh be $5,000-$10,000 wit food and everything. I will not make a penny on it and do everythig t bone cost with open book accounting, its a standing offer, Jerry, knows how to find me and we can salvage that. At least the most important peiople in our sport will get recognition and not just a post on line somewhere.
Great offer Fatboy. I have not seen your place but I have heard about it. I could see that being a pretty special ceremony. Very gracious offer of you.
 
Fatboy said:
no matter how deep your pockets are, losing $$$ awalys hurts-unless your a dumb ass trust fund baby whi never earned a dime, but when you worked for it, yeah it hurts, it might not change how you live but it hurts.

Fatboy, that a real nice offer. I hope they take you up on it.

Here is a link to the BCA web site with the email address' to reach the BOD's. Please send them a nice proposal so they can consider it.
http://www.bca.affiniscape.com/displaycommon.cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=21

Better yet, send it to, Rob Johnson – Chief Executive Officer rob@bca-pool.com

Mj
 
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JCIN said:
Great offer Fatboy. I have not seen your place but I have heard about it. I could see that being a pretty special ceremony. Very gracious offer of you.

Do you think you will be there to record history?

Dwight
 
ShootingArts said:
Let's see if I understand this. Lowering the BCA's profile and cutting back on the things that mean something to the players are going to improve it's bottom line? Been there and done that with my small business when there were literally no other options than to do that or fold up shop. The result: Income plummeted.

The expected result for the BCA?

Looks like they mostly cut the lean and kept the fat.

Hu

You make a lot of sense Hu. As a retired UPSer, I have known for years that UPS could have taken over the USPS, and made it much more efficient AND profitable. the USPS was in direct competition with UPS, and with all the Federal subsidies the Post Office obtained, they still could not take away the business that UPS (and FedEx) had garnered. The P.O. would keep raising their rates on the small,no profit shipments (so UPS would have to absorb that) and they would lower prices on high volume/heavy
profitable shipments, all subsidised by us, the taxpayer's. I'm getting a little far afield here, but the point I am trying to make is this.
The BCA has, for years, suffered from poor management,poor judgement
and shortsightedness. It has NEVER been run with the best interest of the sport (or it's participants) and never with a clear goal in mind.
That was my reason for the analogy between UPS and the Post Office.
Maybe it is time to turn over the bureaucracy,that the BCA has become,
and pump some fresh life , and vision into it. It has been a stagnent, do nothing entity, for the entire last century. Sure the economy is down right now, but what did they do all the years it was flourishing. NOTHING !!! I know our sport has had numerous orginizational problems, but that's where the BCA, as our supposed governing body, should have stepped up to the plate. They didn,t !!! JMHO

Dick Mc Morran
 
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jimmy-leggs said:
Could this be because they moved a money making Enjoypool.com event from Vegas.That was a stupid move.

You need to do some research before assuming you know what is and isn't a moneymaker. The BCA makes its money on the tradeshow and membership and that's it. 63% of the BCA's revenue comes from the trade show according to their last Annual Report.

The "successful" EnjoyPool.com event in Las Vegas lost a reported $124,203. $75,001 in revenue for the event against expenses of $199,204.

This stuff isn't exactly hidden information. The BCA releases this information every year. You can find it at this link.

http://www.bca.affiniscape.com/associations/7744/files/06-07annual_report.pdf

Yeesh.
 
OK,Thanks, I guess I should have done more research.Oh well.I just thought there would more interest of the Enjoypool.com event in vegas considering all the pool players there.
 
BigDogatLarge said:
Eric,

You are a stand up guy in my book. I wish there were more like you. You are doing this for the love of the sport, if more people thought like you, we would be much better off in the long run. My hat is off to you, sir.

Dwight

Thank you very much, Had I not lost my biz this year I would be able to do alot more, right now my nut every month is about 60-70K more than my income-ouch, however I do have a new biz on the horizon. I'm getting into the wedding/corporate party biz so I have a banquet/ball room, kitchen, everything that is needed for a party, conference, pool tournment with 6 tables & bleachers (hint hint), hustlers jamboree(more hint hint),

There is still some constrution going on, I booked my first event in the last 2 days-thats why I hvent made a post under the fitness thread yet, I will tonight.

So my offer of the space for free stands, In time I might buy the furnature then it too would be free, I dont know now, the food and staff I would pass through at cost and its minimal, not $50,000 like they said, the party I booked this week I sold for $40,000 and gave them the world and i'll still make over $20,000. I'm certain I could organize a Hall Of Fame even for $5,000. The conference room, wedding, party biz has super high profit margins-thats why I'm getting into it, but when I want to do something for someone, or a hustler jamboree it aint gonna cost me much at all, So I'm gonna do what I can for pool in the future with the property since I own it I make the rules.
 
Fatboy said:
Thank you very much, Had I not lost my biz this year I would be able to do alot more, right now my nut every month is about 60-70K more than my income-ouch, however I do have a new biz on the horizon. I'm getting into the wedding/corporate party biz so I have a banquet/ball room, kitchen, everything that is needed for a party, conference, pool tournment with 6 tables & bleachers (hint hint), hustlers jamboree(more hint hint),

There is still some constrution going on, I booked my first event in the last 2 days-thats why I hvent made a post under the fitness thread yet, I will tonight.

So my offer of the space for free stands, In time I might buy the furnature then it too would be free, I dont know now, the food and staff I would pass through at cost and its minimal, not $50,000 like they said, the party I booked this week I sold for $40,000 and gave them the world and i'll still make over $20,000. I'm certain I could organize a Hall Of Fame even for $5,000. The conference room, wedding, party biz has super high profit margins-thats why I'm getting into it, but when I want to do something for someone, or a hustler jamboree it aint gonna cost me much at all, So I'm gonna do what I can for pool in the future with the property since I own it I make the rules.

That is a great business model and I am well versed in the food industry and catering in particular. If I can offer you any ideas, I would do so at no charge to you. I have been cooking for over 25 years.

Good Luck in your new Biz.

Dwight
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
Still, Cummings stressed that the association is financially sound,
despite the board's recent decisions.

Does that mean they have millions in the bank?
 
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