BCA rule ?

[Bob Jewett]

Bob,

I don't think it is any harder than, say, ball first rail first determinations in 3-cushion. I would say that 99 percent of the time it is obvious.

Mark

I'd guess a slightly smaller percentage. I think the problems arise as usual in the gray areas.

Sometimes when shooting a draw shot I get only part of the draw I expect and when I look at the tip I notice that there is not a full-blooded miscue with a bare brown spot on the shoulder of the tip but instead there is a whitish patch. Assuming I'm the kind of sport who would call a foul on himself, should I pipe up under the new rule? Suppose I notice my opponent similarly puzzled by one of his own failed draw attempts. Should I ask to inspect his tip?

 

[Bob Jewett]

... When I argue my point, I will expect you to fill in the references to the rules that I am referring to since I do not have the quoted rules at my disposal to use in my arguments. ...

Here are the World Standardized Rules. Be sure to look at the Regulations as well since they sometimes suggest how the rules should be applied.

 

[Maniac]

but you are wrong Maniac. There is no requirement on which ball or row must be struck in BCA 8 ball. I was playing a tournament, and I hit the cue ball on a break where it went left of the rack, came back off the head end rail with spin and hit the back of the rack, 4 balls went to a rail, and I even made a ball. The room owner and TD scoured the BCA rules, and you can hit any ball, there is no requirement. It was called a legal break. The bad part is that I ended running the rack and winning the match.

Yep, I was wrong. :sorry:

This is a perfect example of what many have said in their posts over the years about rules. A person can get a rule in their head and keep it there longer than the rule applies, or if it even DOES apply. In my example, I was a "semi-banger" a mere five years ago when I started playing in an APA league. It was in that league that I learned the rule of "head ball or second ball MUST be struck first". Being a newbie to "official" rules for the first time in my life, I just assumed that this was the official rule everywhere for 8-ball. Of course, only just now (in this thread) I find out that this is not a WSR. The knowledge I lacked on this subject is the very example/reason that pool room rules arguments get started so often. I'm glad I learned something from this thread. This is exactly why I like to log into this forum so much!!!

Maniac

 

[supergreenman]

The bad part is that I ended running the rack and winning the match.

Why is this bad again?

 

[Mr. Wiggles]

Miscue

I know there are rules for this and if I was at the big dance in Vegas or something very important(like winning the final match at the end of the session), I would want to do what favored myself. Being a gentleman and especially against a lady or someone new to the league, I would just rerack and let them break again. Why sour someone with rules when they are trying to decide if they even want to play league pool? Everybody is probably laughing at the poor guy anyway. Be reasonable. When we play our league nights especially against new teams with new players we are pretty lax on the rules, again don't want to sour people on league pool. We let people push cause they don't have a clue what a push is and then after the game we take them to the side and explain a push, much better way to deal with it. We could nail them constantly, but why? We even have a famous big time referee(The most wonderful Buddy Eick who we all love and admire) playing on one of our teams and of course he is all over town. Correction, 2 big time referrees. The great and fabulous Doooo-wayne Payne plays with us also. Even with these two respected refs we still get the old rule book out. When they start that stuff I usually just go get another beer. Isn't there somewhere in rule book or bylaws that says HAVE FUN!!!

 

[TAP]

I have read all of the info thus posted. In my feeble mind I continue to question who is going to determine whether a miscue is deliberate or not? Another question that comes up is the front ball (3 rows) break. I read that four balls must hit the rail to be considered a legal break. If one comes off the back rail and runs four balls to the rail, then the requirement of a legal break has been met!? Am I incorrect?
Will we be looking at future rules telling us what color of chalk is allowed??

 

[MitchAlsup]

Sure. "All miscues are fouls."

Even when you make the called ball in the called pocket?