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Will the BCA lose more money from players switching leagues than ball costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 33 24.6%

  • No

    Votes: 101 75.4%
  • Total voters
    134
SpiderWebComm said:
What Jason said....

All ya need to do now is to do away with jump cues and everything will be perfect again. Force someone to kick when they're hemmed-up 2" behind an obstructing ball.
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I'm with ya' brother. Ban the jump cues too. I would gladly put mine away.

Lux-

For all Mark and the BCAPL have done for pool, I find this thread rather insulting to him and his crew. This thread comes off very hostile to the BCAPL rather than a discussion about a simple rule change. This may not have been your intention, but that's the way I read it and I think Mark and some others did too.

I think this thread angered Mark and he felt he had to post to defend his decision and the league he has invested in. A simple letter directly to him or a phone call would have been more civil IMO. It is sad how easily we can forget that there are real people, real costs, and real consequences behind some of the things we say on the "internet".

I truly don't think there will be any significant movement of players boycotting the national tournament or switching leagues for that matter.
 
The National BCAPL events that you do not attend will only lose your $$$ and maybe a few others, but not enough to really make a difference. IMO your concerns about lost revenue is just your opinion and I can respect that, most of the other posters also respect this part of your posts.

At the BCAPL events that you are NOT going to attend, it is IMO, going to be a better event just because you won't be there. No one likes players that whine and complain about rules.

And, personally, I don't agree that 'for the good of the players' means what you think it does. From your posts, it is for your right to have a phenolic tip.
As far as the profitibility, just another guess on your part, nothing factual to back it up.

Who knows, maybe more players will join because now they won't have to buy a phenolic tip break cue... they've saved money...

IMO, You will not be missed.


Luxury said:
No one reads. Here is post 12 in this thread: I'm not quitting the BCA - Yesterday, 08:16 PM
I explained that they lost my business at the national events. I just think this is a bad rule that needs to be changed for the good of the players and the bcapl leagues profitibility. End of story.
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Luxury said:
Well I had plans of playing in vegas and Lincoln city but I love my bk2 and don't want to alter my tip or buy a different cue that I don't want to play with so I will go when they figure it out and remove the ban which I'm sure will be soon.

Visualize how angry players are going to get when told at the event that they can't use their break cue. Those guys probably won't come back. You ate going to lose money BCA and I don't think you thought this through.
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i don't think they'll miss a step. the rule only officially applies to the event in vegas and only to the break cue not the jump cue (http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=146527). and the rest is left up to the individuals who run the local divisions. our play offs for this session are tonight and i'll be using my j/b phenolic tip and all. if i do go to vegas next year i have a plain jane i used to use as a breaker and i break as well or better (more control from a leather tip) than i do with my j/b. i really don't think you'll have a mass exodus because you can't use phenolic on the break. other leagues ban other things (the apa and jump cues is the one pisses me off) and none of them suffer. i am pretty sure if guys like shooting in the bca they'll use a house cue to break or use a team mates break cue or figure something else out for the nationals.
 
I have a break cue with a White Diamond tip on it. I have not used it in months. I break better and more consistently with my player. It has a super pro tip on it. I don't miss my break cue. Quitting a league or not participating because of a tip rule change is pretty petty imo. I had a BK2 with a phenolic tip on it and sold it. What is the point in having a $300 break cue anyways? It didn't make a big enough difference to justify the cost.

BVal
 
In my opinion, it really is a non-issue. The BCAPL looked at the effect of the phenolic tips on their equipment, consulted their suppliers and decided to ban the tips due to the damage that was being caused. Hey, it is their league and they can set the rules as they like. I for one, am thankfull that the league had enough forsight to make the announcement in June right after nationals. This gives everyone plenty of time to obtain and adjust to a new break cue (or tip) if needed.

I really do not think that this will impact the participation in the league.
 
Adaptibility is Required!!! (imo)

I know quite a few players, especially one, that have different break cues for different size tables. He has a break cue with a phenolic tip, and a break with a leather tip.
He goes back and forth and adapts to what is needed for a specific tournament.
I havent heard him say one time that the ban on phenolic tips is going to be a problem for him.
Adaptibility should be the norm for all of us in this sport, and in all honesty, Luxury should know that already.
 
I think players paying for this rule change will have a problem. Like the players with a $500 cue that uses these tips. I would be safe in saying thousands of players will be spending money, some big money, to convert their cue. The part I don't like about this is how do I know if my cues are good. Does the new rules give a list of allowed tips and how do we determine if the guy next to me is legal? Is there an equipment check before events or is it "play until someone checks"... how will this be enforced? Is BCAPL going to start selling tips that we can order to make sure we have legal tips? Many, many questions here on this rule change.
 
Milo said:
I know quite a few players, especially one, that have different break cues for different size tables. He has a break cue with a phenolic tip, and a break with a leather tip.
He goes back and forth and adapts to what is needed for a specific tournament.
I havent heard him say one time that the ban on phenolic tips is going to be a problem for him.
Adaptibility should be the norm for all of us in this sport, and in all honesty, Luxury should know that already.
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Seriously this thread was never about me and if it matters if I play or not. I'm just one dude. This thread is about the masses that have break cues that they love and whether or not THEY will be willing to adapt. It's never about what people should do in a perfect world it's about what they WILL do.

I'm sure the lost revenue will be blamed on the economy. I tried to give them a logical warning as to what they stand to lose and all I got back was the realization that a certain CEO is on tilt and desperately needs a PR man to approve his public rants. LOL.
 
Luxury said:
Mark clearly states in this thread that it is NOT about the cost of replacing balls or cloth so based on that and how defensive his rant was that was so full of nonsense I still can't believe it, I'm starting to think there is a hidden reason for the ban.
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Obviously, the reputation of your break precedes you. He's just trying to level the playing field for us against you... ;)

I believe the excellence of a break is in the player, not the cue nor its tip.
 
omgwtf said:
Obviously, the reputation of your break precedes you. He's just trying to level the playing field for us against you... ;)

I believe the excellence of a break is in the player, not the cue nor its tip.
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Could this be the makings of another TAR match? Inquiring minds want to know.

FWIW my money is one OMG who has a thunderous break with a leather tip.
 
I've never liked phenolic tips on break cues so it won't affect my league choice.

I think the final decision to not allow phenolics on break cues but ok for jump cues is a very good choice.

Pool players in general are always changing equipment so what's the big deal? Don't forget if your local league operator wants to allow phenolic-tipped break cues then the only time you would be worried is at nationals (once a year).
 
This is similar to the outrage that came after shaft jumping was not allowed due to the damage it was causing.

If your game is so dependent on the equipment you are using, and not your own ability, maybe you should consider taking up another sport.

There are many, many alternatives to phenolic tips out there. Many are said to perform better. Have you tried them, or are you too wrapped up in crying about what you perceive to have lost.

What if you find a new product that does everything phenolic does, but gives you more control, and is accepted by the BCA? To you continue to cry foul?

I think those people that love this game, and love to play this game in a league system that is currently one of the best run (IMO) will take this rule and adapt their game to what the rules are.

I play in a pool hall that does not allow jumps cues of any type. You are not allowed to jump. Period. But that applies to everyone (much like the BCA rulings). In the tournaments, no one cries about not being able to jump or masse' a ball. Because it's the rules. Period. We accept it and move on.

If you are not able to accept these rule changes, and deem them unfair to you because it takes away from your game.... so be it.

Maybe getting better at jumping, or breaking would help you overcome your dependency.

I will continue to play by the rules set for all, and I will continue to progress.
 
Luxury said:
Well I had plans of playing in vegas and Lincoln city but I love my bk2 and don't want to alter my tip or buy a different cue that I don't want to play with so I will go when they figure it out and remove the ban which I'm sure will be soon.

Visualize how angry players are going to get when told at the event that they can't use their break cue. Those guys probably won't come back. You ate going to lose money BCA and I don't think you thought this through.
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Let it go man. There is no way you could be attached to your break cue that much unless it has a mouth and lips.:shocked:
 
Luxury is a really good poster. The more I think of it, this thread had to be related to his dog shitting on the carpet, an unexpected bill, or his Drumstick ice cream cone jipped him on the chocolate at the bottom (and you all know what I mean with that -- that's enraging).

Lux, you should honestly just take that bk2 hunk of shizznit and break it into 10000 pieces on your driveway and post the pictures and tell Mark you just had a bad day. I break with my playing cue. My break cue has a bridge-head at the end of it and serves as my mechanical bridge under my table.

That thing never won you a game ever--- show that over-hyped piece of balsa wood how you feel about that and post the splinter pics. Turn this upside-down thread into something memorable and epic.
 
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