BCA's role? PROFESSIONAL POOL

Just a question. How many of those are in North America? Just asking.

Fatz

I think the more important question to ask is where does the money come from to put on those events in other countries?

It's not that difficult to figure out if you do a little homework and make some inquiries.

Then compare that to the USA, and I believe you will have a clear answer as to why so many events are in other countries. Just follow the money.

Once you figure it out, then ask yourself if you'd rather be a player in one of those countries or the USA. Because as you must know, nothing is free. There is always a price to be paid.
 
I think the more important question to ask is where does the money come from to put on those events in other countries?

It's not that difficult to figure out if you do a little homework and make some inquiries.

Then compare that to the USA, and I believe you will have a clear answer as to why so many events are in other countries. Just follow the money.

Once you figure it out, then ask yourself if you'd rather be a player in one of those countries or the USA. Because as you must know, nothing is free. There is always a price to be paid.

Well in China the money comes from various companies that want to put on a pool tournament. Here the added money is often from property developers, sports equipment brands, car brands and of course also the cue and table companies.

As Ian said, you go where the money is. Sad that in America no one can sell pool to the major brands.

In China brands no one has heard of even in China pony up $100,000 or more to put into pool tournaments. Not that this means China has a million dollar tour, they don't. But it does mean that for the moment China seems to be trending for pool tournaments of WPA caliber.

I am however not clear on what you mean about a price to be paid? Here it's straight business as far as I know. Brand steps up and pays the money and gets the marquee billing.
 
Well in China the money comes from various companies that want to put on a pool tournament. Here the added money is often from property developers, sports equipment brands, car brands and of course also the cue and table companies.

As Ian said, you go where the money is. Sad that in America no one can sell pool to the major brands.

In China brands no one has heard of even in China pony up $100,000 or more to put into pool tournaments. Not that this means China has a million dollar tour, they don't. But it does mean that for the moment China seems to be trending for pool tournaments of WPA caliber.

I am however not clear on what you mean about a price to be paid? Here it's straight business as far as I know. Brand steps up and pays the money and gets the marquee billing.

True, that's part of where the money comes from. How many of those companies in China do you think sent reps to the U.S. to crawl under pool tables with cameras? How many of them stole patented cue and case designs? Any of them, you think?

How about government funding and Olympic Committee funding in various countries? No problems there? No infighting or corruption? Just asking.

Any ideas why the World 8 Ball championship in the UAE no longer allows women to participate, even though there is no Women's World 8 Ball Championship? Any ideas why the UAE or Qatar aren't hosting any women's events?

Is China still a communist country? Do you think they pose any particular demands or restrictions on their players?

Any ideas why the European tour doesn't have a women's pool ranking system or a women's tour? (I'm hoping I'm wrong and that one has changed since I last heard.) Do they still choose women players for world events based on their performance in one event --- their annual championship?

The U.S. may be poorer in pool than other countries, but we still have dignity and we treat men and women equally. It's the law here.
 
True, that's part of where the money comes from. How many of those companies in China do you think sent reps to the U.S. to crawl under pool tables with cameras? How many of them stole patented cue and case designs? Any of them, you think?

How about government funding and Olympic Committee funding in various countries? No problems there? No infighting or corruption? Just asking.

Any ideas why the World 8 Ball championship in the UAE no longer allows women to participate, even though there is no Women's World 8 Ball Championship? Any ideas why the UAE or Qatar aren't hosting any women's events?

Is China still a communist country? Do you think they pose any particular demands or restrictions on their players?

Any ideas why the European tour doesn't have a women's pool ranking system or a women's tour? (I'm hoping I'm wrong and that one has changed since I last heard.) Do they still choose women players for world events based on their performance in one event --- their annual championship?

The U.S. may be poorer in pool than other countries, but we still have dignity and we treat men and women equally. It's the law here.

One of my all-time favorite comedians, Russell Peters, has a good theory about this -- related to Louis Vuitton bags:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7pYOZduNhtY
(Strong language warning! And a warning that you may injure your sides. ;) )

-Sean
 
This is re-post from an earlier conversation regarding the BCA, but I felt it was very relevant to the current conversation -

I have had some very strong opinions about the actions of the BCA for a number of years, and my frustration only grows. Please bear with me as this may be a little long.

Let me start by saying that the company I work for, Sterling Gaming, was founded and is comprised of non-pool playing folks. Since we started, many of us have played league and learned a little about playing, but we are not hardcore players. We began with a single product selling on ebay, and grew into an entity that now distributes and sells over 1500 billiards related items.

When I first joined the company in 2002, it was, in our minds, CRITICAL to attend the tradeshow and support the BCA as manufacturer/distributor level members. This was OUR organization, not only for the players (they still had the league system then), but also for manufacturers,retailers, leagues, and fans. I viewed the BCA as THE vehicle to bring together all these different elements of our sport and promote it to the population at-large. Since we offer such a wide variety of items, our company had the unique perspective of recognizing that there are a number of elements to our market...league players, recreational players, home table owners, region competitive tours, and pro level tours. All of the segments of the market are a little different, but they all have the common thread of billiards. It was the BCA's job to bring cohesion to these elements, to generally promote the visibility of the sport so that ALL those involved would see a higher level of prosperity. If I have the quote right "A rising tide lifts all boats".

After my first few tradeshows and BCA tournaments, I began to take issue with some of what I saw going on.

First, there was little to no promotion of the sport to the general public. The BCA Open was held in conjunction with the league nationals, which made sense because of the built-in core audience to draw from, however actually drawing that audience is a different story. Many of league players were there to play, not watch a tournament. If they had to play matches, they could little afford time to go watch the pro event. Also, Vegas has an insane level of entertainment competition, and let us not forget that spectating a billiards event is entertainment. Our company even tried to reach beyond the norm one year, and ran a promotion on a nationally syndicated morning radio show giving away an all-expense paid trip to Vegas to see the BCA Open. We had to pay for the BCA tickets ourselves. If you ask me, this is an example of the type of promotion the BCA SHOULD have been doing all along to help promote their event. The hotels rooms were available, the tickets were available, and running promotions like this would expose the pro game to millions of potential consumers who were otherwise ignorant that professional billiards events even take place. That is what I would call the first failure of the BCA...not doing anything to reach out to the millions of people that could consume our product at a recreational level.

Second, I saw the tradeshow adding more and more non-billiards related vendors. This was especially troubling to us as a small company whose focus is billiards items, trying to work up the ranks and build a customer base. The rationale behind adding poker, jukebox, home theater, swimming pool and spa, massage chair, and various other types of "Home Recreation" was to try and draw their customers to our show and hopefully expand the interest in billiards. Theoretically suspect thinking in my opinion, and probably just the "party line" that I was fed when I complained about this the first time. If you REALLY wanted to expose the buyers of these various products that have nothing to do with billiards, and in many cases compete directly with them, then go to THIER shows and buy a booth. Extol the benefits of billiards to these consumers on their ground, rather than introduce competition to billiards at what should have been a show focused specifically on our industry. I know for a fact that the addition of these various non-billiards related vendors has done more harm than good to our industry by enticing show attendees to spend their money on non-billiards related inventory. We have NOT seen an increase in attendance by adding these vendors. Here we have the Second failure of the BCA...introducing competition for billiards at their own tradeshow, thus detracting from the sales of billiards related items. Brilliant.

Third, the BCA has offered little to no value to our industry by way of providing benefits for their members, and more specifically, the lifeblood of our industry...our pool rooms. This is where the majority of league play takes place. This is where people who don't play in leagues are exposed to the deeper world of pool, which includes leagues, tours and tournaments. This is where people congregate on Friday and Sat nights for fun and relaxation, and where our industry can truly look to grow participation. Vending tables are everywhere too, but the emphasis is only on the coin drop, and not necessarily bringing those folks back to the room BECAUSE of billiards. Third failure of the BCA - by offering little to no value to these small business owners, the BCA divested themselves from a crucial part of our industry.

Fourth - this is one is debatable but I include it because of the fragmentation effect it has had - the selling of the league system. This lead to a disconnect between the BCA and one its core elements, league players. I include it as a failure because there has been no obvious movement to replace that lifeline to the league players. By selling the league, not only did the BCA lose touch with a critical element of our industry, they also cost themselves the significant income from the dues of the league players, AND they further fragmented our industry by spawning the ACS/BCAPL dilemma. In addition, they wasted money trying to sue Mark Griffin over the name. Brilliant!

In my opinion, the BCA has failed to bring any cohesion to the elements of our sport, they have failed to promote the sport to the general public, they have failed to provide value to being a BCA member at virtually any level. These are some of the reasons that Sterling Gaming is no longer a BCA member.

Now, you may say its easy to complain, but much harder to offer solutions. This is very true, and I was asked a few years ago to be part of multiple BCA committees. I accepted these invitations thinking that it would be easier to affect change from the inside of the organization than to rail against it from outside. Besides, I said to myself, the board is comprised of some of the most successful people in our industry...they MUST be able to see what's happening and make positive changes. However, I honestly felt like I was banging my head against a wall in our committee meetings. I brought up most of the aforementioned points, as did others on the committees, and still it seemed that it fell on deaf ears.

With that being said, here are some things I would like to see change -

More efforts to standardize rules. This is a major impediment to greater cohesion within the game, and the efforts to push it forward. Every pro tournament, every league, every in house tournament, and every regional tournament has a different set of rules. While I am sure each thinks this gives them a competitive advantage, they fail to recognize that EVERY competitive sport that thrives has ONE set of rules that everyone can understand (mostly) and translate to their own play. Keeping with this effort, I think it would be beneficial to establish a uniformed handicapping system. I know, its an uphill battle, for both of these initiatives, but until it happens, there will be too much fragmentation to take the sport to the next level. Generally speaking, in a free market system, the best methods win out, but the division of opinion is too evenly spread in my opinion, for any one league's handicapping system to trump another in the long run.

Find a way to bring together leagues and offer something of value to league player members, no matter which league they are in. Maybe develop a national league championship, use a membership fee to send league members an instructional video...there are numerous ways to attack this, but until there can be some level of cooperation (that includes healthy business competition) all these leagues are going to continue to fight over the same little slices of our billiards pie. THE BCA could enact plans that could increase membership of ALL the leagues by increasing general participation. They could be the unbiased lobby to each of the leagues to bring them together in a cooperative, but still competitive, fashion.

Greater emphasis on the promotion of billiards. Maybe its time the BCA start to find avenues of spending that increase the visibility of the sport, rather than spending hundreds of thousands on a dying tradeshow. They did a GREAT commercial a few years ago, one that I think makes the game very appealing, but they FAILED to place it properly in the right media streams. Not an entire solution, but a start. Increase participation, which should lead to increase revenues for those involved in the sport, making them more willing to pay BCA dues to continue to fund such efforts.

Bring value to members. There a variety of ways to bring value to a BCA membership at various levels. They BCA has already fleshed out numerous ideas, and failed to act on them. Some included group insurance, more group discounts addressing a variety of needs for small business owners, advertising co-ops and PR help.

Provide support for pro players. Again, divert some funds to assist with these guys representing the US in international competition, lay out rules for and sanction pro level tournaments and/or region tours. This could be the basis of an eventual pro tour, for either men or women, or both.

There could also be more general PR and Ad help for any member. By being the representative body of American Billiards, the BCA is in a prime position to help promote the sport to the general public, and could provide assistance to rooms owners, retailers, and players through opportunities that arise, including free press releases, assistance with ad placements, and promotions to those that contact the BCA for help with private and public billiards related events.

Spend a little money on exhibiting at other recreational tradeshows. Don't just send a couple of reps to the BAR show in NY...buy a booth and tout the benefits of adding billiards to bar owners in attendance.

That's my 2 cents on our representative organization. Since my frustration has festered over the course of a number of years, I felt it necessary to express some of my views.

Matt Carter
General Manager
Sterling Gaming
 
I think the more important question to ask is where does the money come from to put on those events in other countries?

It's not that difficult to figure out if you do a little homework and make some inquiries.

Then compare that to the USA, and I believe you will have a clear answer as to why so many events are in other countries. Just follow the money.

Once you figure it out, then ask yourself if you'd rather be a player in one of those countries or the USA. Because as you must know, nothing is free. There is always a price to be paid.

Someone stated that there are 26 sanctioned WPA events worldwide. Then I asked how many of those are in North America. I wasn't trying to make a point or anything. I just want to know how many. Anybody?

thanks
Fatz
 
Someone stated that there are 26 sanctioned WPA events worldwide. Then I asked how many of those are in North America. I wasn't trying to make a point or anything. I just want to know how many. Anybody?

thanks
Fatz

I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe that in men's pool, it's either one or two. The US Open 9-ball for sure and, possibly, the International Challenge of Champions. A few years ago, Dragon's 14.1 event also had WPA sanctioning, but not anymore.
 
True, that's part of where the money comes from. How many of those companies in China do you think sent reps to the U.S. to crawl under pool tables with cameras? How many of them stole patented cue and case designs? Any of them, you think?

What's your point? The BCA INVITED these companies to be members of the BCA and buy booth space. And furthermore EVERY major American billiard company is in bed with Chinese billiard supply companies and with Chinese factories. So I still don't understand your point? What does this have to do with how pool events are funded?

You seem to think that the "Chinese" stole some designs and got rich off of those designs and are now using that money to fund pool in China. If you think that then it's completely wrong. The MAIN source of the money for pool tournaments in China is NOT through the billiard industry here, it's through large companies and brands. Property developers who don't care about spending 150,000 on a pool tournament so they can see their name on TV. Car brands to whom 150,000 is chicken feed. And so on. Essentially exactly what pool in America has FAILED to create. Why can they find these sponsors in China. TELEVISION. They can get these events on TV and because of that the brands can be promoted in a way that the brand owners can point to and say "look at me I am on TV". Pool is a cheap vehicle here to get your brand on TV.

How about government funding and Olympic Committee funding in various countries? No problems there? No infighting or corruption? Just asking.

Of course there is politics and infighting. Where in the world do you find that this is NOT the case? Also not clear what your point is?

Any ideas why the World 8 Ball championship in the UAE no longer allows women to participate, even though there is no Women's World 8 Ball Championship? Any ideas why the UAE or Qatar aren't hosting any women's events?

That's a question for Ian. I guess it's because those countries typically don't think much of women at all. Frankly I think that the WPA sold out when they allowed Matchroom to do the WC without women and juniors.

Is China still a communist country? Do you think they pose any particular demands or restrictions on their players?

China is ruled by the Communist Party but the daily life is all capitalist. There are government controlled sports organizations which do have some influence on the players. I don't know what and to what extent that is. I know that MOST of the players in China have nothing to do with the government and are as on their own as any player anywhere else in the world.

Any ideas why the European tour doesn't have a women's pool ranking system or a women's tour? (I'm hoping I'm wrong and that one has changed since I last heard.) Do they still choose women players for world events based on their performance in one event --- their annual championship?

You would have to ask the EPBF about that. I guess there isn't a women's tour because there is no demand for one. As far as I know they have NEVER made participation in the world events based on the European Championships except that the European champion was granted a spot or spots in WPA events (not sure on that). Europe is allotted with x# of spots and those spots are divided up amongst the members of the EPBF. And each country then nominates players to fill the spots.

The U.S. may be poorer in pool than other countries, but we still have dignity and we treat men and women equally. It's the law here.

So this is about equality? If so then why have a women's tour at all? I mean I am on the side of women having a tour of their own but it's not because of equality. It's because I think as a group the level of play is inferior to the men and just like B-players can have their own tournaments so should women. But if you want to claim equality then you can't at the same time promote further segregation in a sport that has ZERO physical barriers to excellence.
 
What's your point? The BCA INVITED these companies to be members of the BCA and buy booth space. And furthermore EVERY major American billiard company is in bed with Chinese billiard supply companies and with Chinese factories. So I still don't understand your point? What does this have to do with how pool events are funded?

You seem to think that the "Chinese" stole some designs and got rich off of those designs and are now using that money to fund pool in China. If you think that then it's completely wrong. The MAIN source of the money for pool tournaments in China is NOT through the billiard industry here, it's through large companies and brands. Property developers who don't care about spending 150,000 on a pool tournament so they can see their name on TV. Car brands to whom 150,000 is chicken feed. And so on. Essentially exactly what pool in America has FAILED to create. Why can they find these sponsors in China. TELEVISION. They can get these events on TV and because of that the brands can be promoted in a way that the brand owners can point to and say "look at me I am on TV". Pool is a cheap vehicle here to get your brand on TV.

I don't support any company who steals designs from another. I don't care how much money they don't make from it. It's corrupt.


Of course there is politics and infighting. Where in the world do you find that this is NOT the case? Also not clear what your point is?

Again, some of the prize fund money is contributed by government and Olympic Committee money. The corruption in some of those countries is so blatant, yet everyone turns the other way once the money arrives.

That's a question for Ian. I guess it's because those countries typically don't think much of women at all. Frankly I think that the WPA sold out when they allowed Matchroom to do the WC without women and juniors.

You're right. They don't think much of women at all. They also refuse to Jewish athletes into their country to compete in the pool events they host.


China is ruled by the Communist Party but the daily life is all capitalist. There are government controlled sports organizations which do have some influence on the players. I don't know what and to what extent that is. I know that MOST of the players in China have nothing to do with the government and are as on their own as any player anywhere else in the world.

What happens to a top player who wants to move out of the country? Do they get a pat on the back and well wishes?

You would have to ask the EPBF about that. I guess there isn't a women's tour because there is no demand for one. As far as I know they have NEVER made participation in the world events based on the European Championships except that the European champion was granted a spot or spots in WPA events (not sure on that). Europe is allotted with x# of spots and those spots are divided up amongst the members of the EPBF. And each country then nominates players to fill the spots.

I guess "no demand for a women's tour" is a subjective comment. I would imagine that the women in Europe would like to see a tour. It's hard to believe that there aren't enough women players in all of Europe to substantiate one.



So this is about equality? If so then why have a women's tour at all? I mean I am on the side of women having a tour of their own but it's not because of equality. It's because I think as a group the level of play is inferior to the men and just like B-players can have their own tournaments so should women. But if you want to claim equality then you can't at the same time promote further segregation in a sport that has ZERO physical barriers to excellence.

No, this isn't just about equality. Those are just a few examples of many. People are asking why there isn't more U.S. money invested in pool. That's absolutely true that there isn't, but I think it's important to recognize that the money that is invested isn't squeaky clean money, and it comes at a price. How long do we continue to look the other way as long as money arrives? At one point do we say, oops, we shouldn't have allowed that to happen way back? You made a good point about selling out to Matchroom.
 
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I don't support any company who steals designs from another. I don't care how much money they don't make from it. It's corrupt.

Well then you don't support any major company in the billiard business because just about all of them have "stolen" designs from others at some point.

Again, some of the prize fund money is contributed by government and Olympic Committee money. The corruption in some of those countries is so blatant, yet everyone turns the other way once the money arrives.

Examples?

You're right. They don't think much of women at all. They also refuse to Jewish athletes into their country to compete in the pool events they host.

I doubt that the WPA would sanction a tournament that discriminates against any race of people. Do you have proof that any Jewish pool player was refused entry into the WPA events held in Dubai and the UAE?

What happens to a top player who wants to move out of the country? Do they get a pat on the back and well wishes?

I assume that in pool they are allowed to emigrate wherever they like. Many top Chinese athletes have emigrated to other countries. This isn't the 70's any longer. People are free to emigrate as they wish to. The hard part is finding countries willing to allow immigration. Many Chinese opt for Australia because getting into the USA is nearly impossible legally.

I guess "no demand for a women's tour" is a subjective comment. I would imagine that the women in Europe would like to see a tour. It's hard to believe that there aren't enough women players in all of Europe to substantiate one.

No demand means no promoters want to do it. Of course the women want to have a tour. I really don't get what this has to do with the price of tea in China. What has the BCA done for the women's professional game? Not much I think.


No, this isn't just about equality. Those are just a few examples of many. People are asking why there isn't more U.S. money invested in pool. That's absolutely true that there isn't, but I think it's important to recognize that the money that is invested isn't squeaky clean money, and it comes at a price. How long do we continue to look the other way as long as money arrives? At one point do we say, oops, we shouldn't have allowed that to happen way back? You made a good point about selling out to Matchroom.

No money is "clean". No matter what corporation sponsors events you can find something "dirty" on them. Tobacco companies - obvious, Casinos - facilitates gambling addictions, Coca Cola - promotes obesity, Poker Stars - cheats millions of customers and the list goes on and on.

Yes the WPA sold out the women and juniors when they allowed Matchroom to take over the Men's WC. But Matchroom did a damn fine job of it and in the end promoted pool to millions more people around the world in a WPA that the WPA could never do on their own. So if you look at the bigger picture the women have still had their WC tournaments and the juniors as well, only they did not get the big spotlight that Matchroom put on the men. A small sacrifice for the greater good of the game I think.

Fran you seem to be awfully bitter about something that goes well beyond the discussion here about the BCA's role in professional pool in the USA. Perhaps this is something that deserves it's own thread or threads?
 
Well then you don't support any major company in the billiard business because just about all of them have "stolen" designs from others at some point.



Examples?



I doubt that the WPA would sanction a tournament that discriminates against any race of people. Do you have proof that any Jewish pool player was refused entry into the WPA events held in Dubai and the UAE?



I assume that in pool they are allowed to emigrate wherever they like. Many top Chinese athletes have emigrated to other countries. This isn't the 70's any longer. People are free to emigrate as they wish to. The hard part is finding countries willing to allow immigration. Many Chinese opt for Australia because getting into the USA is nearly impossible legally.



No demand means no promoters want to do it. Of course the women want to have a tour. I really don't get what this has to do with the price of tea in China. What has the BCA done for the women's professional game? Not much I think.




No money is "clean". No matter what corporation sponsors events you can find something "dirty" on them. Tobacco companies - obvious, Casinos - facilitates gambling addictions, Coca Cola - promotes obesity, Poker Stars - cheats millions of customers and the list goes on and on.

Yes the WPA sold out the women and juniors when they allowed Matchroom to take over the Men's WC. But Matchroom did a damn fine job of it and in the end promoted pool to millions more people around the world in a WPA that the WPA could never do on their own. So if you look at the bigger picture the women have still had their WC tournaments and the juniors as well, only they did not get the big spotlight that Matchroom put on the men. A small sacrifice for the greater good of the game I think.

Fran you seem to be awfully bitter about something that goes well beyond the discussion here about the BCA's role in professional pool in the USA. Perhaps this is something that deserves it's own thread or threads?

I'm not sure why you're accusing me of being bitter. I'm just making observations. Just like you, I have my concepts of right and wrong. That doesn't make me bitter. I'm an analyst by nature. I like to try to figure things out.

Have a good one...
 
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I'm not sure why you're accusing me of being bitter. I'm just making observations. Just like you, I have my concepts of right and wrong. That doesn't make me bitter. I'm an analyst by nature. I like to try to figure things out.

Have a good one...

I said it because your tone seems harsh. Also the accusations are not accurate as far as I know so it seems to me that you are analyzing from a unsteady premise.

Regarding what's right and wrong I understand that each person has their own sense of morality but I think you are imposing a impossibly high standard here that no company or organization in pool can live up to.
 
Someone stated that there are 26 sanctioned WPA events worldwide. Then I asked how many of those are in North America. I wasn't trying to make a point or anything. I just want to know how many. Anybody?

thanks
Fatz

I'm not absolutely certain, but I believe that in men's pool, it's either one or two. The US Open 9-ball for sure and, possibly, the International Challenge of Champions. A few years ago, Dragon's 14.1 event also had WPA sanctioning, but not anymore.

From the WPA's calendar, it appears that two of their 2012 sanctioned events are in the US -- the WPA World Artistic Pool Championship (which was held at the Super Billiards Expo) and the upcoming US Open 9-Ball event. [The Challenge of Champions apparently is not sanctioned.]

China, on the other hand, has about a dozen WPA-sanctioned events in 2012.
 
Fran you seem to be awfully bitter about something that goes well beyond the discussion here about the BCA's role in professional pool in the USA.
I'm not sure why you're accusing me of being bitter. I'm just making observations. Just like you, I have my concepts of right and wrong. That doesn't make me bitter. I'm an analyst by nature. I like to try to figure things out.
Fran, if you are an analyst then I would have thought you would have analyzed that JB Cases didn't accuse you of anything.

Very good thread and both JB and Fran have made some good points.
 
...Regarding what's right and wrong I understand that each person has their own sense of morality but I think you are imposing a impossibly high standard here that no company or organization in pool can live up to.

Hey, John, I was thinking about this thread this morning when I came upon this little recent statistic:

There has been enormous change with respect to trade and investment in China since it joined the WTO, about 10 years ago, give or take. As a result of market openings that is a requirement with the accession agreement of the World Trade Organization, China cut tariffs by more than 40 percent, eliminated most import licenses, relaxed ownership restrictions, and permitted foreign entities to compete in sectors that had been previously closed. As a result, China has become the world's second largest recipient of foreign direct investment. :)

Don't get me wrong, John. I'm still a "USA, all the way" kind of gal, but I found this information quite illuminating as it pertains to Chinese and U.S. relations. :cool:

Also, did you know that China makes up 20 percent of the world's population?
 
Hey, John, I was thinking about this thread this morning when I came upon this little recent statistic:

There has been enormous change with respect to trade and investment in China since it joined the WTO, about 10 years ago, give or take. As a result of market openings that is a requirement with the accession agreement of the World Trade Organization, China cut tariffs by more than 40 percent, eliminated most import licenses, relaxed ownership restrictions, and permitted foreign entities to compete in sectors that had been previously closed. As a result, China has become the world's second largest recipient of foreign direct investment. :)

Don't get me wrong, John. I'm still a "USA, all the way" kind of gal, but I found this information quite illuminating as it pertains to Chinese and U.S. relations. :cool:

Also, did you know that China makes up 20 percent of the world's population?

Exactly right. There is money here and people willing to spend it. But China is still way behind the USA in many economic factors. There is plenty of money ob the USA as well but it takes more effort to get it channeled to billiards than in China.
Part of this has to do with the crowded space and limited attention span of consumers in America. Sorry pool you just don't have enough eyeballs to be an attractive date for corporate advertisers.

www.jbcases.com
 
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