Be the Winner or be Challenged?

know-nada

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It seems that participation in tournaments has dropped dramatically and while there are many reasons, I would like to know what az'ers think - you personally - would you rather walk into the tournament room, drop your $100 entry on the table, look around the room and think, "Look at all these chumps donating to me" or "Wow, I might play (insert your favorite pro or top player here), this is gonna be tough!"
no walking the fence here - answer honestly one way or the other...
 
I figure to play both

know-nada said:
It seems that participation in tournaments has dropped dramatically and while there are many reasons, I would like to know what az'ers think - you personally - would you rather walk into the tournament room, drop your $100 entry on the table, look around the room and think, "Look at all these chumps donating to me" or "Wow, I might play (insert your favorite pro or top player here), this is gonna be tough!"
no walking the fence here - answer honestly one way or the other...


Most of the things I have competed in have been open to the world and I like it that way. I truly don't care who else is at the table. If it is a gimme I move forward in the tournament and face more interesting competition later. If I play someone that is world class, at least on some days, well that is an interesting match too. I don't pay entry fees with the expectation I have to cash every time. I'll cash enough in the long run to more than cover entry fees regardless of what happens in one event.

Hu
 
I like thinking Im getting good odds on my money, so I dont care who is there. You should play the layout of the table anyway and not "worry" about who you are playing. JMO.

Southpaw
 
Gas and hotel prices are having their effect on touneys these days.

Most players will just stay home until a tourney comes to their town.

Stones
 
know-nada said:
It seems that participation in tournaments has dropped dramatically and while there are many reasons, I would like to know what az'ers think - you personally - would you rather walk into the tournament room, drop your $100 entry on the table, look around the room and think, "Look at all these chumps donating to me" or "Wow, I might play (insert your favorite pro or top player here), this is gonna be tough!"
no walking the fence here - answer honestly one way or the other...

k-n,
Considering I'm entered in the Maryland 14.1 Open, along with Mika Immonen, Mike Davis, Grady Mathews, Jeanette Lee, Collection Guru, Shaun Wilkie, Ryan McCreesh, Danny Barouty, Marty Ciccia, Ed Deska, and who-knows-the-hell-else; I guess you could say I like to play the best players. It is a better way to measure yourself than playing total losers like breakup (though that was kind of fun).

While I prefer playing the best players possible; I definitely enjoy competition of any type, against any type of player. This is for fun, not for profit (though a little profit is ALWAYS nice). The personal satisfaction of playing well against a champion is MUCH nicer for me than the small monetary reward of playing against inferior competition.
 
Williebetmore said:
k-n,
Considering I'm entered in the Maryland 14.1 Open, along with Mika Immonen, Mike Davis, Grady Mathews, Jeanette Lee, Collection Guru, Shaun Wilkie, Ryan McCreesh, Danny Barouty, Marty Ciccia, Ed Deska, and who-knows-the-hell-else; I guess you could say I like to play the best players. It is a better way to measure yourself than playing total losers like breakup (though that was kind of fun).

While I prefer playing the best players possible; I definitely enjoy competition of any type, against any type of player. This is for fun, not for profit (though a little profit is ALWAYS nice). The personal satisfaction of playing well against a champion is MUCH nicer for me than the small monetary reward of playing against inferior competition.

Do you think a player's perception of how "big" or "important" the tournament is has anything to do with whether or not he plans on participating? I just can't figure out why people don't seem to be competing these days and it doesn't matter if it is 10 miles or 100 miles away - I can't figure any good reason for a major metro area to draw 35-50 players to a tournament. With a reasonably priced entry a tournament should be drawing 70-120 players...
 
know-nada said:
Do you think a player's perception of how "big" or "important" the tournament is has anything to do with whether or not he plans on participating? I just can't figure out why people don't seem to be competing these days and it doesn't matter if it is 10 miles or 100 miles away - I can't figure any good reason for a major metro area to draw 35-50 players to a tournament. With a reasonably priced entry a tournament should be drawing 70-120 players...

KN,
A very good point. I can only speak regarding what I've seen and heard from friends who organize and run the local tournaments.

Players around here are very much ego-driven and dollar-driven; even those who love the game for aesthetic reasons. Many do not want to be embarrassed by the best players. Others do not want to play if they can't win; and will only play in handicapped events. The griping about the handicaps is then fierce - many would rather obtain victory through handicap adjustment than through practice and dedication. Not a healthy tournament scene around here.

I will say that those players who have a bit of backbone will see a tremendous benefit to their game from mixing it up with the best players. They will also see that these players are very human, and definitely beatable. JMO.
 
I love playing in touney's where the names are called out and mine draws a lot of "who?" responses. Bring the challenge!

That said it is fun playing an event and when your name is called people console your opponnt before you even get a table!
 
play them all

i wouldn't enter a pro event but i would and have played in any open event. only reason i wouldn't enter a pro event is the 300 to 500 entry. i played in the memphis classic a few years ago and beat david broxen. oh yeah, and on a bar table, i feel i am capable of beating anyone if it all goes right, lol.
 
buck15 said:
i wouldn't enter a pro event but i would and have played in any open event. only reason i wouldn't enter a pro event is the 300 to 500 entry. i played in the memphis classic a few years ago and beat david broxen. oh yeah, and on a bar table, i feel i am capable of beating anyone if it all goes right, lol.

So how do you pick and choose which open tournaments you enter? What distance are you willing to travel to play? It doesn't seem like people are gambling much at tournaments anymore - so are pool tournaments just not any fun anymore? Define the elements of a pool tournament that would make you want to go every possible time you could...
 
know-nada said:
So how do you pick and choose which open tournaments you enter? What distance are you willing to travel to play? It doesn't seem like people are gambling much at tournaments anymore - so are pool tournaments just not any fun anymore? Define the elements of a pool tournament that would make you want to go every possible time you could...
i don't really have a set criteria for what tournaments i go to. it depends on how they appeal to me and who might be going that i know. the distance depends on time off from work. i think as far as gambling, you can get action where ever you go if ya want it. alot of times around here it is the same people. some from different parts of the state, then they match up . there is no lack of action. when i was in memphis for the classic there was all kinds of action. i just like playing better players and the challenge of it. how many rounds, getting in the money. all marks of improvement. our local open tournaments have about 4 champions on any give day. just last night i got lucky and beat adam smith. i consider him a champion as do others and that was a big win for me. for a local $20 open it is cheaper than table time if ya do the math. compare a tournament to a car show, you can go just to look, or show your car if ya got one, or set up a race for some cash. only difference is an open there is no spot obviusly. we do have handicap tournaments, wich i play in also but i like the opens the most. just my view of it. later.
 
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Southpaw said:
I like thinking Im getting good odds on my money, so I dont care who is there. You should play the layout of the table anyway and not "worry" about who you are playing. JMO.

Southpaw
Come on southpaw; If I show up your know your chances are slim!!! HA Also I look at it as what other sport can you play with pros--- at a low cost??golf i think not tennis no!! :D :D :D :D
 
You have to always believe you can win, or don't play. Just like these people that say they go out and play golf just for the fun, they don't care if they get any better. Bull#@*. Then, go and don't take a scorecard with you. Those kind of "just for fun" reasons gives you a reason to lose. I don't care if it's tiddly winks, if I play, I try to win.
 
crawfish said:
You have to always believe you can win, or don't play. Just like these people that say they go out and play golf just for the fun, they don't care if they get any better. Bull#@*. Then, go and don't take a scorecard with you. Those kind of "just for fun" reasons gives you a reason to lose. I don't care if it's tiddly winks, if I play, I try to win.

Hey then crawfish - what is your opinion on the "value" of playing better players - does it help a player get better? If you think it does, why do you think so? If you think not, why not? I don't think who you play should matter, but I think it does.
 
Well, this is going to be interesting is my reaction.

Hey, folks, your risk is limited so why not go for it? I mean it is not like you are risking your life savings.

Downside is you may be jepordising your status with some of your gambling pardners.
 
My financial situation has dictated the way I play, when I play, and how I play for both tournaments and money matches over the past three years with marriage and the birth of my daughter.
I used to be a tournament soldier, entering every and anything I could regardless of level of competition. I was playing at a respectable level on the higher amateur scale here in Japan, which meant I had a good of a chance of anybody (including a few lower tier pros thrown in) to cash in. Most tournaments I entered were groups of anywhere from 32-64 people, playing race to 5 matches, and of that group, probably any of about 24 players including myself was capable of winning it all on a good day. Because of these conditions, I felt like winning one was not really a matter of having to beat so and so, or having to up my game. It honestly was like buying a lottery ticket. You're not going to win most of the time, but the more you enter, the better your chances. So, at that time, my frame of mind while entering a tournament wasn't "Look at all these chumps donating to me" or "Wow, I might play xxx". It was more of a matter of "OK, who's hitting 'em good?" and "sure hope I can catch a stroke before the nights over."
At this particular time, I was probably cashing in (best 4) about 50% of the time, and playing 3-4 nights a week. And still, unless I had actually won an event, I was probably coming away with nothing more than a little bit of pocket change considering expenses. If I could actually win two or three in a row, then I would end the week with enough money to go after a bigger fish in a bigger money match on the weekend.
Now, I don't (can't) play as much, so I consider my chances of cashing in to be slim. So, when I consider entering an event, if I've got the cash, I'll enter a larger open event with hopes of having an extremely good night. But, I'll only do this probably once a month, and usually these entries are "the major highlight in daddys monthly schedule."
Other than this, I now stick to the lower end local house tournaments with lower entry fees, lower payouts, and generally lower competition. Often times, I often use the money I can make from these tournaments to pay for entry to the larger tournaments.
So, simply said, my financial situation has clearly had an effect on the way I play tournaments now. In the past, it was like buying a lottery ticket where I felt that I had as good a chance as anybody to cash in. Whereas today, I'll still enter a big one every once in a while, but although I don't think I'm actually throwing money away, I'm entering for 'entertainment' more than anything..........................and although slim, my form of entertainment offers me the chance to come out ahead.
dave
 
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I'm in them to win them. I'm rarely, if ever, the best player in the room. I go in thinking that everyone is a better player than me. Some nights I go two and out, it's happened more than a couple times. I've also had the satisfaction of being the spoiler on the one loss side and sending people out the door. I've played in more local tourney than I can count, one or two a week, and have gotten in the money a total of 5 times. The only tourney I won was a regional qualifier for the APA and there wasn't any payout....:( I didn't care though I was the lowest handicap in the room and I'd won the whole shooting match, it was exciting. Aside from that I have 3 second place finishes and 2 third place. Put me in the HOF .... :rolleyes: I play them for the experience, the pressure, and the thrill of competition, winning is just gravy on top.

Banger McCue
 
DelaWho??? said:
I'm in them to win them. I'm rarely, if ever, the best player in the room. I go in thinking that everyone is a better player than me. Some nights I go two and out, it's happened more than a couple times. I've also had the satisfaction of being the spoiler on the one loss side and sending people out the door. I've played in more local tourney than I can count, one or two a week, and have gotten in the money a total of 5 times. The only tourney I won was a regional qualifier for the APA and there wasn't any payout....:( I didn't care though I was the lowest handicap in the room and I'd won the whole shooting match, it was exciting. Aside from that I have 3 second place finishes and 2 third place. Put me in the HOF .... :rolleyes: I play them for the experience, the pressure, and the thrill of competition, winning is just gravy on top.

Banger McCue

So if you're in them to win them, but aren't winning very often - do you think it is your concentration and mental state or not having as much skill and knowledge as the other guys? I like your outlook or the reasons you give for participating, what do you think you get back out of playing in tournaments? Cash can obviously be one thing, but clearly it is more than that.
 
I like to play in the ones where I have no chance. Of course to play in the ones that I win, they are small, eight ball, and only pay out about 140 or so.

I like playing where I get to play Brian Gregg, Brian Groce, Steve Oaks, Waldo and know I have a very limited chance of winning againt them. On the rare occasion I do win a set its worth it. And how else am I going to get table time with them for so little money?
 
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