Being Played for the Sucker

Klink

Klink

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I have a buddy named Brad who I know from around the pool tournaments only, we play each other pretty often maybe buy each other beers, ect. that recently tried to set up a game with me backing someone else so he could split my money with the other guy. We were recently together at a small tournament that we were in, and Brad got knocked out of it early. I guess he was getting bored so he started woofing and trying to get a game. I wanted to play him but couldn't as I still had some matches coming up. So by now he is running his mouth, about how he would play just about anybody and mentoned some people by name. He then said he would play this one guy I know, even up, for whatever the guy wanted to play for. Well, I knew he couldn't beat the guy and also knew the guy usually doesn't have much cash. So I offered to call this guy up and tell him that Brad wanted to play him a race for $500 and I would back him against Brad. He said no problem as soon as he heard who it was. The place we were at closes early so me and Brad agreed to meet at another place as soon as the tournament was over so he could play this guy for $500. He said he was going to go ahead and go up there ahead of time. Well, about twenty minutes later I get a call from this guy I hardly know telling me I was being set up by Brad. So I call the guy I was going to back for the money and he confirmed that Brad called him and wanted to split my money with him. When He declined to dump against me, Brad said he didn't want to play him them. So I get another call saying Brad wanted to play me. I never mentioned that I knew he had tried to set me up. I knew if I did he would get mad and also, he'd know that the guy he offered to split with had told me. So I went up there and played him some even for ten a game for about a hour and ended up a couple games ahead before they closed. We agreed to meet somewhere else and up the bet and play some more but they were closed too. I never collected the winnings as we agreed to meet later in the week at another tourney we always see each other at to continue playing.
So should I have told him I knew he had tried to set me up and started a big fight (even though he is twice my size) or let it go?
 
I would have told him for two reasons.
1. if you were so called semi pals or whatever, then thats a real douche bag move and he deserves to be called on it

2. There arent to many people that are much bigger then me ( and if they are big enough for me to worry, then there are plenty of objects in a pool hall to even up the score so to speak ).
 
Klink said:
I have a buddy named Brad who I know from around the pool tournaments only, we play each other pretty often maybe buy each other beers, ect. that recently tried to set up a game with me backing someone else so he could split my money with the other guy. We were recently together at a small tournament that we were in, and Brad got knocked out of it early. I guess he was getting bored so he started woofing and trying to get a game. I wanted to play him but couldn't as I still had some matches coming up. So by now he is running his mouth, about how he would play just about anybody and mentoned some people by name. He then said he would play this one guy I know, even up, for whatever the guy wanted to play for. Well, I knew he couldn't beat the guy and also knew the guy usually doesn't have much cash. So I offered to call this guy up and tell him that Brad wanted to play him a race for $500 and I would back him against Brad. He said no problem as soon as he heard who it was. The place we were at closes early so me and Brad agreed to meet at another place as soon as the tournament was over so he could play this guy for $500. He said he was going to go ahead and go up there ahead of time. Well, about twenty minutes later I get a call from this guy I hardly know telling me I was being set up by Brad. So I call the guy I was going to back for the money and he confirmed that Brad called him and wanted to split my money with him. When He declined to dump against me, Brad said he didn't want to play him them. So I get another call saying Brad wanted to play me. I never mentioned that I knew he had tried to set me up. I knew if I did he would get mad and also, he'd know that the guy he offered to split with had told me. So I went up there and played him some even for ten a game for about a hour and ended up a couple games ahead before they closed. We agreed to meet somewhere else and up the bet and play some more but they were closed too. I never collected the winnings as we agreed to meet later in the week at another tourney we always see each other at to continue playing.
So should I have told him I knew he had tried to set me up and started a big fight (even though he is twice my size) or let it go?
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Hate to break it to you, but this guy is not your buddy. This guy basically tried to steal $500 from you, that's not buddy material to me. This is one of the few things done in the poolroom that I would take offense to. Getting hustled and beat on the square is one thing but to have no chance to win, just isn't right. I would have to say something. Now, if I didn't know the guy well (sounds like you do though), I might let it go because I'm bringing the other guy who you were going to stake into it by saying something. But, you'd still be in the right to say something then as well. Also, the ONLY way I would give this guy any action after that (not sure why you're playing him 10 a game) is if I'm the favorite. And, I will be charging him, more like 50 a game, and making him post. None of that - pay you when we finish next time nonsense. I'm sure that was his idea.
 
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Random thoughts ...

1. If you decide to tell Brad, check with the other guy first to make sure he's O.K. with that and doesn't think you are violating something he feels that he told to you in confidence. You may not know the other guy now but it sounds like you may run in some of the same circles and come across him again from time to time.

2. As Bugs Bunny might say, "Your 'buddy' sounds like a real maroon and, of course you know, this means war!"

3. If you feel that you can play better than him in the long run, play him again (preferably right after you collect what he owes you). And, if he/you don't want to post the money up front each game for whatever reason, play him small sets (race to 2 or 3 at most) and collect at the end of each set.

4. Keep things friendly at all times. As they say. It's best to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
 
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Have u ever heard of the saying fight fire with fire? Well seems like a nice fella to try it on.... The only problem may be that he reads this forum and u knock yourself out of some easy money....
 
DO NOT TELL HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INSTEAD jsut set up to back the guy agian in the game in which they tried to cut you up. And have the guy agree with BRAD that he will dump, then once the moneys posted, just have him not dump and take the D**ks money for trying to set you up
 
Klink said:
I have a buddy named Brad who I know from around the pool tournaments only, we play each other pretty often maybe buy each other beers, ect. that recently tried to set up a game with me backing someone else so he could split my money with the other guy. We were recently together at a small tournament that we were in, and Brad got knocked out of it early. I guess he was getting bored so he started woofing and trying to get a game. I wanted to play him but couldn't as I still had some matches coming up. So by now he is running his mouth, about how he would play just about anybody and mentoned some people by name. He then said he would play this one guy I know, even up, for whatever the guy wanted to play for. Well, I knew he couldn't beat the guy and also knew the guy usually doesn't have much cash. So I offered to call this guy up and tell him that Brad wanted to play him a race for $500 and I would back him against Brad. He said no problem as soon as he heard who it was. The place we were at closes early so me and Brad agreed to meet at another place as soon as the tournament was over so he could play this guy for $500. He said he was going to go ahead and go up there ahead of time. Well, about twenty minutes later I get a call from this guy I hardly know telling me I was being set up by Brad. So I call the guy I was going to back for the money and he confirmed that Brad called him and wanted to split my money with him. When He declined to dump against me, Brad said he didn't want to play him them. So I get another call saying Brad wanted to play me. I never mentioned that I knew he had tried to set me up. I knew if I did he would get mad and also, he'd know that the guy he offered to split with had told me. So I went up there and played him some even for ten a game for about a hour and ended up a couple games ahead before they closed. We agreed to meet somewhere else and up the bet and play some more but they were closed too. I never collected the winnings as we agreed to meet later in the week at another tourney we always see each other at to continue playing.
So should I have told him I knew he had tried to set me up and started a big fight (even though he is twice my size) or let it go?
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Do not play him again and do not stoop to his level by trying to set him up. Take the high road. You can't go wrong.

Warn ALL good people about him. He is always trying to improve him game, it's just not pool. ;)

Ray
 
This guy is NOT your buddy. If it was me I would tell him straight up & would never play with him again. Stunts like that are plain chicken s*** moves. I would also pass the word along to others so nobody else gets suckered into a scam like that.
 
no rules

Brad has defined himself as someone that no rules apply when I deal with them. If the guy that told you about the dump told you in confidence then you should honor that confidence, in fact you have already made a mistake posting here even if "Brad's" name has been changed. If the guy that Brad wanted to dump is fine with it you can call Brad out as a scumbag in front of the world, you can act friendly and cheat him any way you can, you can go over to the wall, select the worst looking house cue, and see how many teeth you can take out with it. You can also bust Brad every time you see him trying to do business with anyone else, quietly or again in front of the world.

My philosophy in life is to meet everyone halfway or a bit more so I personally would be as likely as not to treat Brad as he would have treated me. Also while I respect road warriors I have little respect for cheap con men and will bust them just for personal entertainment if I am in the mood. As the title says, no rules apply when dealing with a "Brad" assuming the third party told you the truth. You can take the high road, you can take the low road, your call in my book.

Hu



Klink said:
I have a buddy named Brad who I know from around the pool tournaments only, we play each other pretty often maybe buy each other beers, ect. that recently tried to set up a game with me backing someone else so he could split my money with the other guy. We were recently together at a small tournament that we were in, and Brad got knocked out of it early. I guess he was getting bored so he started woofing and trying to get a game. I wanted to play him but couldn't as I still had some matches coming up. So by now he is running his mouth, about how he would play just about anybody and mentoned some people by name. He then said he would play this one guy I know, even up, for whatever the guy wanted to play for. Well, I knew he couldn't beat the guy and also knew the guy usually doesn't have much cash. So I offered to call this guy up and tell him that Brad wanted to play him a race for $500 and I would back him against Brad. He said no problem as soon as he heard who it was. The place we were at closes early so me and Brad agreed to meet at another place as soon as the tournament was over so he could play this guy for $500. He said he was going to go ahead and go up there ahead of time. Well, about twenty minutes later I get a call from this guy I hardly know telling me I was being set up by Brad. So I call the guy I was going to back for the money and he confirmed that Brad called him and wanted to split my money with him. When He declined to dump against me, Brad said he didn't want to play him them. So I get another call saying Brad wanted to play me. I never mentioned that I knew he had tried to set me up. I knew if I did he would get mad and also, he'd know that the guy he offered to split with had told me. So I went up there and played him some even for ten a game for about a hour and ended up a couple games ahead before they closed. We agreed to meet somewhere else and up the bet and play some more but they were closed too. I never collected the winnings as we agreed to meet later in the week at another tourney we always see each other at to continue playing.
So should I have told him I knew he had tried to set me up and started a big fight (even though he is twice my size) or let it go?
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I prefer childhood nonconfrontational tactics....let the air out of two of his tires, then superglue the valve caps on...its a *****
 
I read this post last night, before anyone else had replied. Thought about replying, but decided not to. What would I have done? Well, nothing...seeing as I don't play for money, I wouldn't put myself in that situation. Retribution, "getting him back", all that...you're not in 5th grade. Let it go. Be an adult. Don't play him again, or if you do, put the cash up front to begin with.

I don't play for money because...well...I'm just no that good. Granted, I'm a god in my own mind, but in reality, where everyone else lives, I'm a mere mortal. :embarrassed2: I understand the playing for money aspect of the game. It can make it more exciting, and it's true, money won is twice is sweet as money earned. (But really, isn't winning "earning" it?) Still, I play for fun. I know a few locals who gamble a lot, and they've asked me to play for $$$ several times. I always decline. They're good players. After they got to know me, they've actually played me a few times for fun, and I held my own on more than one ocassion. Could I have won cash? Maybe. Could I have lost that cash? Probably. But the bottom line is, if you don't put yourself in that position, you don't have those problems, now do you? :rolleyes:
 
Once again, take a fiber coaster from a local bar, and sharpen it into a shank. Then, shank the dude. Take every penny in his pocket and superglue it to his forehead. If he lives (just wound him, don't shank in the neck), he'll get the drift.
 
IMO, you should definitely NOT mention anything to Brad without checking with both people. Those guys have gone out of their way to be honest and get your back, especially the guy who called you to tip you off. If they didn't want trouble from Brad, mentioning anything to him would break their trust. Keeping them as allies would be worth giving up the satisfaction of telling Brad off. I say check with them and see how they feel about this. Either way, you owe them some beers. :thumbup:
 
what????

Klink said:
I have a buddy named Brad who I know from around the pool tournaments only, we play each other pretty often maybe buy each other beers, ect. that recently tried to set up a game with me backing someone else so he could split my money with the other guy. We were recently together at a small tournament that we were in, and Brad got knocked out of it early. I guess he was getting bored so he started woofing and trying to get a game. I wanted to play him but couldn't as I still had some matches coming up. So by now he is running his mouth, about how he would play just about anybody and mentoned some people by name. He then said he would play this one guy I know, even up, for whatever the guy wanted to play for. Well, I knew he couldn't beat the guy and also knew the guy usually doesn't have much cash. So I offered to call this guy up and tell him that Brad wanted to play him a race for $500 and I would back him against Brad. He said no problem as soon as he heard who it was. The place we were at closes early so me and Brad agreed to meet at another place as soon as the tournament was over so he could play this guy for $500. He said he was going to go ahead and go up there ahead of time. Well, about twenty minutes later I get a call from this guy I hardly know telling me I was being set up by Brad. So I call the guy I was going to back for the money and he confirmed that Brad called him and wanted to split my money with him. When He declined to dump against me, Brad said he didn't want to play him them. So I get another call saying Brad wanted to play me. I never mentioned that I knew he had tried to set me up. I knew if I did he would get mad and also, he'd know that the guy he offered to split with had told me. So I went up there and played him some even for ten a game for about a hour and ended up a couple games ahead before they closed. We agreed to meet somewhere else and up the bet and play some more but they were closed too. I never collected the winnings as we agreed to meet later in the week at another tourney we always see each other at to continue playing.
So should I have told him I knew he had tried to set me up and started a big fight (even though he is twice my size) or let it go?
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first of all i have no buddys==a buddy is a guy that goes to a cat house gets 2 bj comes back and gives you 1. lo lo . you need friends!!!:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
 
Get the "other guy's" consent, then destroy this guy's action forever. I'm a non-violent offender in this case. If you start sh*t (including vandalism), you never know when or if it will stop, Injury, attorneys, jail -

this miserable excuse for life-form isn't worth YOU risking anything, ever again.

Matt <--- might not be able to resist some Yo Momma jokes on him tho
 
he tried to get someone to dump you and thats a bad poolroom move. really low class.
however you were trying to back a guy who you knew would beat him. you werent being a buddy either. so you both get what you deserve. he gets ratted out for being a dumper and you are not a true buddy. so for both of you its about the money. and thats okay but dont expect loyalty when its a one way street
 
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With a buddy like that, who needs enemies?
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Maybe buddy was to strong of a word. He was one of the guys who showed up at the same tournaments as me and we would warm up or whatever and usually play some cheap, friendly, by the game between matches. It was always friendly with alot of ribbing and sharking going on.

Well since this happened I have seen him a couple of times.

One of the other parties involved didn't want outed so I did not confront him about it.

I did buy the guy who didn't dump me a few beers:smile:

I am older now and way more mature, so I also didn't vandalize, or mess wih him in any way, and ended up playing him a few more times.

It wil never cease to amaze me what some people will try to make a few bucks.
I wouldn't buy this guy a beer now, if he was on fire. He is a scumbag of the highest order.
 
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I'd say you learned a lesson....

personally I wouldn't say anything to him, however I would tell the guy that didn't dump to go ahead with "Brad"'s deal only to not dump...

How sweet would it be for you to see the look on his face when he realizes he just lost $500 and not gained $250?
 
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