That's not the table on which Schmidt ran his 626 at Easy Street Billiards in Monterey, CA on 5/27/19. It is a table he used in his attempts at Bull Shooters in Phoenix. This video is from April 16, 2019.
Best 14:1 Player Ever-John Schmidt or Willie Mosconi?
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That's fine. I did not see him in person when he was at his prime and don't doubt he was exceptional. I just think at times it approaches hyperbole. I probably should have also been clear I wasn't necessarily talking about anything said in this thread recently.
At least you didn't think I was somehow making a serious dig on his boxing skills like someone else.
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Just curious, rack 23 the balls were taken from the table and I am assuming cleaned because it took so long. I don't think they were exchanged for a different rack. I think the whole run was done with the same rack of balls. What I am curious about, is this ever done in real competition? I have seen refs wipe down the cue ball between racks at the US open but can a player ask for the whole rack to be cleaned?
Did Jayson do his runs with a single rack of balls or were the multiple racks of balls used? Just asking.
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In the words of Danny DiLiberto about Johnny Irish. "The longer he is dead, the better he plays".
Added note, I saw Mosconi play a number of times. He made it look so easy it made you sick. He would light a cigarette and have run 70 or 80 balls before it was finished. It would be very difficult to exaggerate how good he played.
I also used to go to the 5th street gym and watch Cassius Clay train. It was not possible to explain how good he was to someone at the time unless they saw him themselves. Mosconi was like that.
These were once in a generation people. Mosconi, Ruth, Clay, Cobb, Mantle, Marciano and others were the greatest of their generation and they deserve to have it kept in that context.
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Jayson's 714 high run was with 1 set of balls that never left the table to be cleaned or exchanged. The cue ball was never cleaned or touched from the very 1st shot until the end of the run where he scratched on the 715th ball.
True Story....Willie ran 600 and became bored, the entire Brunswick Marine Corps witnessed it. He put his cue down, took a leak, and flew 5 missions with Ted Williams. He got off the plane only to find his table was blown up by a grenade. but his Bushka survived.
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How do you know it is true?
I started playing 14.1 in 1961 in N.J..
I saw just about all the old time greats play the game and most of the players from 1961 to today.
I played Willie an exhibition game in 1964,he did most of the playing.
There have been quite a few that have had big runs in the multiple hundreds.
But nobody ever played the game as smooth as Willie,like a machine running racks.
The problem we have is there is no film that survived the years showing him in his prime,you really had to see it to understand what those of us that saw him are saying.
I saw just about all the old time greats play the game and most of the players from 1961 to today.
I played Willie an exhibition game in 1964,he did most of the playing.
There have been quite a few that have had big runs in the multiple hundreds.
But nobody ever played the game as smooth as Willie,like a machine running racks.
The problem we have is there is no film that survived the years showing him in his prime,you really had to see it to understand what those of us that saw him are saying.
Not true at all,but funny anyway.
Funny you should ask.... Ted Williams was friends with Joe DiMaggio. Ted told Joe the story, Joe told his wife Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn told her great, great, niece once removed, twice. She told her boyfriends cousin, who told his great niece, twice removed. She told her boyfriend Arnie who was a Red Sox fan.
At a Yankee/ Sox Old Timers Game, my son and Arnie had a battle over a foul ball off DiMaggios bat.. They cut the ball in half, had a beer, and became friends. Arnie told my son the story, who told my other son, who told me.
Just thought I would share a piece history with all the nice people here.
Sidebar::: Marilyn also told JFK, we all know that story. According to my son, it was the survival of Willies Bushka from that grenade blast that caused, "The Invasion of The Bay of Pigs" in April , 1961. They used Castro as an excuse.
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years ago I was at church rummage sale. I bought an Abe Rich cue from a guy for $3.00. Got $110.00 on eBay but that is not the story. I got talking about pool with the guy and I don’t remember how it came up but he said his mother has a film of Willie Mosconi. He said his father was a combat photographer. He said Mosconi was doing an exhibition at a military base and his father filmed it.
He didn’t really remember what all was on the film but it runs about 2 hours. Needless to say I wanted the film. I got his number and followed up and there was always some excuse. I finally told him I would have to see the film but if it was what he described I would pay $5000.00 for it. In my mind I was ready to go to $10,000.00 or more. Eventually the number was no good and that was that. Maybe the story was BS who knows.
“BUT”, I have a feeling there are such films out there of him playing beyond old newsreels and some hokey Pete Smith short productions like are often seen like the ridiculous one below.
soon it is time for j shmidt to show us the stuff he is made of. world 10 bal.
The story I've heard is a fire at Willies house destroyed all the film of him.
I always thought that maybe some where in a Brunswick building or a former Brunswick employee has some old forgotten films.
It's also possible that Brunswick tossed it out at one point in time.
Earl did it for a while and so did Schmidt. As long as the opponent agrees, it's all good as far as I know. A guy who stayed in NYC a while cleaned all the balls often but he added Armor All on the sneak allegedly. He was barred from certain tournaments and left town quickly.
This right here is why none of your big plans ever get past the keyboard stage. You just don’t get it.
Wait, so you’re saying JS made attempts on different tables? Should those runs even count?
Howdy All;
Takes awhile to read 337 prior posts so I'll just blurt out my thoughts.
Comparing these two is like the old Apples v. Oranges thing.
Willie was a dedicated 14.1 player that would play other games.
Schmidt is a dedicated 9-baller that made a concerted effort to
set a specific record. I don't/can't view them as comparable.
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Takes awhile to read 337 prior posts so I'll just blurt out my thoughts.
Comparing these two is like the old Apples v. Oranges thing.
Willie was a dedicated 14.1 player that would play other games.
Schmidt is a dedicated 9-baller that made a concerted effort to
set a specific record. I don't/can't view them as comparable.
hank
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It invalidates the point the poster of the video wanted to make if it was not even the table John set his record on
What do you mean by count? He played there for a while and then played somewhere else. The point being made was that it wasn't his 626 table so why even bother arguing about whether that ball "should have" gone in.
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Do you really think that 300 posts in we are still talking about the title topic?
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