Best all around player ever?

If you want to know who the best is, ask the pool stream commentators that can't focus more than 1 ball ahead. That group doesn't include Billy I., Daniel Busch, Fast Lenny or Joey A.
 
Have any of the above three players accomplished what Nick Varner has?
Nick Varner won world titles in 14.1, 8-Ball, 9-Ball, 1-Pocket, and Banks.
In their 1990 9-Ball Challenge Match, Nick defeated Efren 60-47, and that's at the time when Efren was playing lights out 9-Ball. The answer is no.
No one else has won all those titles, except Nick.

Nick was also collegiate champion.....while at Purdue.

Efren is the best player in my lifetime.

Ken
 
What???

All around means just that, all around. You cannot count players, as great as they are, such as Efren and Frost, due to their dedication to games that avoid straight pool. Then, you narrow the field to those who really did play all the games.

Three names:

Harold Worst
Luther Lassiter
Mike Sigel

All the best,
WW

Efren does have a 14.1 title. Luther and Harold were great period players, played great during their time, but there was little to no international competition. Efren has played EVERYBODY WHI IS ANYBODY and Won and he's still winning 30 years later!

Its not even close, Efren is King!
 
Varner is definitely in the conversation, as is Worst. If you take just the two disciplines that have been the championship game, 14.1 and 9-ball, there's a case to be made that Sigel is the best ever.
 
As a former Secretary of Defense said to me when there was no definite conclusion after a lengthy debate, "This has been a good conversation."

All the best,
WW
 
I think svb would definitely give frost a run for his money right now so can't just brush off his 1 pocket like that. As for 8 ball and rotation, Shane is up and coming and if he decides to
Put focus into pool again I think he'll end up near the top of the conversation. He's also not too shabby in 14.1. But right now he seems to be on a break (at least a break from
His dominance) so who knows what'll come from that


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Since I have been into pool Efren, Shane, Darren and Alex come to mind. I have never known Scott for winning much. He was at a lot of tournaments but not to many wins. Of course Efren would stand out for me as the all around in my time and the best player I have ever seen.
 
Efren, in his prime, would be unmatched... I know pool balls are inanimate objects, but Efren has the gift to make them come alive and tame them.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Efren took dennis in 1pkt imean he can still catch a gear. in rotation most probably not, unless you took away the break factor lol which has always been and even more so now, efren's achilles heel, if he ever had one
 
I think this is one of those unanswerable questions. Players of whatever era they are in go where the action is. Who is to say if Mosconi was 30 years old today, he wouldn't be a top rotation player. Or if Shane or Earl were in there prime back in the day they wouldn't have several 14.1 titles...it will be interesting to here the answers to this question in another 30 years.
 
efren won the straight pool event in Maine in the 90's, and he'd played straight pool for all of one week before the tourney if i remember correctly...
 
efren won the straight pool event in Maine in the 90's, and he'd played straight pool for all of one week before the tourney if i remember correctly...

similarly, Efren won an Asian snooker event (i think in the late 80's). they say he was given three weeks to practice because he did not have any experience playing snooker before.
 
Efren plays neither snooker nor three cushion at a world class level, not even close

meanwhile Torbjörn Blomdahl beat efren in nine ball

mosconi referred to celeumans as the best ever

alex p is likely the best pool player ever at snooker and should also be mentioned in this conversation

i have mark selby in the convo also
 
People often refer to blomdahl beating even in 9b.

As one who mentions such, do you really think they are near the same skill level in that game?

The fact that blomdahl won- what was it, a single race to 7?-speaks more to the ease of the game than to the skills of the participants.
Efren plays neither snooker nor three cushion at a world class level, not even close

meanwhile Torbjörn Blomdahl beat efren in nine ball

mosconi referred to celeumans as the best ever

alex p is likely the best pool player ever at snooker and should also be mentioned in this conversation

i have mark selby in the convo also
 
What about this angle? As time goes by, people do things better.

Improvements in technology and dissemination of information elevate the ability of the participants. Given that, is is possible that today's best is better that the best of 30yrs ago?

Anyone who watched Dennis Orcollo destroy Scott Frost has to think no one alive can beat Dennis in an all around playing all games. I been around great players for 60 years, NEVER seen pool played better than Dennis is playing now.
 
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