best cte videos on youtube?

[cookie man]

Yes...like this shot with cb "A"....the fixed cb I get from the visuals would send the 3 ball to the red bottle cap on the rail. An inside pivot would thin it up and send it toward the piece of chalk on the rail, while an outside pivot would send it to the pocket (marked with another piece of chalk). From cb "B", using the exact same visuals as objectively as possible, my fixed cb would send the ob to the pocket (marked with a white bottle cap on top of the chalk), and the inside pivot sends the ob toward the .45cal round just right of the pocket, while the outside pivot hits the .45cal round just left of the pocket (straight as it lays). I am interested in discovering how these two shots can be done objectively and end up any different than shown here. That's what I'm hoping the book and truth series will reveal.

Both shots the starting visual takes the 3 ball to the red bottle cap

 

[cookie man]

And I know I'm in the majority with this, so hopefully the book and truth series will tie it all together and more players will benefit from the system.

Since Stan has taught hundreds of players, sold thousands of dvd's, and has several certified CTE instructors, what on God's green earth would make you think that you are in the majority. CTE players have routinely been chased off AZ with the constant bullshit. Not saying you chased any off but just look around on here, would you stay and post

 

[SmokinJoe46]

Yes...like this shot with cb "A"....the fixed cb I get from the visuals would send the 3 ball to the red bottle cap on the rail. An inside pivot would thin it up and send it toward the piece of chalk on the rail, while an outside pivot would send it to the pocket (marked with another piece of chalk). From cb "B", using the exact same visuals as objectively as possible, my fixed cb would send the ob to the pocket (marked with a white bottle cap on top of the chalk), and the inside pivot sends the ob toward the .45cal round just right of the pocket, while the outside pivot hits the .45cal round just left of the pocket (straight as it lays). I am interested in discovering how these two shots can be done objectively and end up any different than shown here. That's what I'm hoping the book and truth series will reveal.

YES, I detect civility? I'm almost afraid to post this for fear of looking silly.
I think you are doing what I did, pivoting too deliberately from the wrong side.
Using your "A" shot photo:
CB left edge to OB 15* perception (on left side of ob)
Center CB to Right side of OB.
Those two lines somewhat merge to form a unique perception for you to come down on the RIGHT side of the CB center.
Either visually or manually pivot the cue tip left to CB center (outside pivot)
It will go straight in the pocket center.
For me it seems as if I'm coming down on 'c' or the 45* prior to pivoting to CCB.
Try it & the B shot will work the same.

Cookie will PLEASE correct me if I'm totally wrong but getting the straight in's & somewhat straight in's helped me understand the perception.

 

[BC21]

Since Stan has taught hundreds of players, sold thousands of dvd's, and has several certified CTE instructors, what on God's green earth would make you think that you are in the majority. CTE players have routinely been chased off AZ with the constant bullshit. Not saying you chased any off but just look around on here, would you stay and post

No....I don't suppose I'd stay and post.

I only say I'm in the majority because of the 20yr year war, and after 2 official DVDs and a hundred official YouTube videos (not to mention the countless CTE spinoff YouTube videos where people are showing how they do their own version of CTE), there is still quite a bit of skepticism as to whether or not the system works as instructed, and the war continues. There are still a lot of players asking questions, and many more that have simply quit trying to figure it out, like the buddy I got the DVDs from a few years back.

There are millions of pool players around the world, and I know several thousand have tried to learn CTE through the DVDs and YouTube clips. Nobody knows how many of them actually learned it or stuck with it long enough to become as a proficient as you or Stan. Also no way of knowing how many of those "hundreds" that took private lessons are actually using the system fulltime today. I know two that don't. Many are probably like Brandon Shuff, who says it works but only uses it occasionally, not all the time.

I have learned enough to know there is something usable in the system. But apparently my idea of objective is not the same as Stan's. And this is where I believe I stand with the majority of those who've tried the system and have taken it to the table. I mean, there would be no war, no debate, no skepticism at all if the system worked exactly as instructed in the DVDs and YouTube videos. Anybody that tries it would get it, but that's just not the reality of it. Maybe a private lesson is the only way Stan can teach it, and so his book and truth series is an attempt at providing those private lessons publicly, so that more people will understand how to do it.

 

[BC21]

YES, I detect civility? I'm almost afraid to post this for fear of looking silly.
I think you are doing what I did, pivoting too deliberately from the wrong side.
Using your "A" shot photo:
CB left edge to OB 15* perception (on left side of ob)
Center CB to Right side of OB.
Those two lines somewhat merge to form a unique perception for you to come down on the RIGHT side of the CB center.
Either visually or manually pivot the cue tip left to CB center (outside pivot)
It will go straight in the pocket center.
For me it seems as if I'm coming down on 'c' or the 45* prior to pivoting to CCB.
Try it & the B shot will work the same.

Cookie will PLEASE correct me if I'm totally wrong but getting the straight in's & somewhat straight in's helped me understand the perception.

I used right edge of cb to right quarter on ob, and center cb to left edge of ob on both shots. This does give me a unique perspective of the cb, the "fixed" cb, where I'm not looking down either line but standing in the perfect position to see both lines. If I look through the fixed cb center all the way to the ob, as Stan demonstrates as a method of determining whether or not the shot needs thinned or thickened, it looks like I'd be aiming close to that left quarter, a little thicker but close. I get the exact same perception with both cb's. Anyhow, for straight-ins it shouldn't matter if you use A or C on the ob (left or right quarter) for the 15 perception, because the outside pivot ends up straight in either way once you pivot to ccb.

Stan says you get the perception, the fixed cb line, and then come in as straight as possible half a tip inside or outside of this line and then pivot to center. It's in the clip I posted earlier where he uses a strip of tape to show the fixed cb line. When I do this on these two shots, the results are as shown with chalk, bottle caps, and .45 rounds.

Nevertheless, I am not interested in becoming a bonafide CTE user, but open and civil discussion benefits those who are. I'm just a guy that can't put a difficult puzzle down until I've solved it. Thanks for the input.

 

[skip100]

Never mind

 

[cookie man]

No....I don't suppose I'd stay and post.

I only say I'm in the majority because of the 20yr year war, and after 2 official DVDs and a hundred official YouTube videos (not to mention the countless CTE spinoff YouTube videos where people are showing how they do their own version of CTE), there is still quite a bit of skepticism as to whether or not the system works as instructed, and the war continues. There are still a lot of players asking questions, and many more that have simply quit trying to figure it out, like the buddy I got the DVDs from a few years back.

There are millions of pool players around the world, and I know several thousand have tried to learn CTE through the DVDs and YouTube clips. Nobody knows how many of them actually learned it or stuck with it long enough to become as a proficient as you or Stan. Also no way of knowing how many of those "hundreds" that took private lessons are actually using the system fulltime today. I know two that don't. Many are probably like Brandon Shuff, who says it works but only uses it occasionally, not all the time.

I have learned enough to know there is something usable in the system. But apparently my idea of objective is not the same as Stan's. And this is where I believe I stand with the majority of those who've tried the system and have taken it to the table. I mean, there would be no war, no debate, no skepticism at all if the system worked exactly as instructed in the DVDs and YouTube videos. Anybody that tries it would get it, but that's just not the reality of it. Maybe a private lesson is the only way Stan can teach it, and so his book and truth series is an attempt at providing those private lessons publicly, so that more people will understand how to do it.

Are you really in the middle?
First off the 20 yr war is really just PJ and Lou who got butthurt over there interactions with HH, we all still laugh about the info Hal gave them that they hold onto.
Second Brandon Shuff is a full time CTE player, you would know that by just looking at his FB page and not holding onto the past.
Third you keep saying "majority" but have absolutely no proof. Have you traveled the country asking players? When i got to florida 6 years ago the best pro-am player in florida was using it, and still does, mostly with manual pivots.
The system works as San says it does.

In the middle of sensible advice you go off and post this total bullshit.

 

[BC21]

Are you really in the middle?
First off the 20 yr war is really just PJ and Lou who got butthurt over there interactions with HH, we all still laugh about the info Hal gave them that they hold onto.
Second Brandon Shuff is a full time CTE player, you would know that by just looking at his FB page and not holding onto the past.
Third you keep saying "majority" but have absolutely no proof. Have you traveled the country asking players? When i got to florida 6 years ago the best pro-am player in florida was using it, and still does, mostly with manual pivots.
The system works as San says it does.

In the middle of sensible advice you go off and post this total bullshit.

Thanks for the history lesson. But the CTE war seems to be bigger than just a couple of people holding onto the past over something with Hal Houle. From the posts I've read, it appears to be about the ambiguous "objectivity" of the system, which is still questionable today by most who follow the instructions presented in the DVDs and YouTube clips. Anyone who comes here that doesn't understand CTE, or asks too many questions about it, gets tossed into the flames of this old war, and so it never dies.

You may be right about Brandon Shuff. I don't follow him on Facebook -- only going by what I watched in that interview posted by John Barton a couple of years ago. And who knows, maybe in another 20 years several more pro players will be onboard with using the system, especially if the book and truth series shed more light on it.

So, the op of this thread was asking for the best cte videos on YouTube. Do you think a private lesson with Stan or another certified CTE instructor would be much more effective than all the CTE YouTube clips combined? It seems like the most adamant users or supporters of the system have had private lessons with Stan. Do you think that's because in person there is something learned that two DVDs and a ton of YouTube clips just can't show? I do believe this is why Stan is doing the book and truth series, so more people will have a better opportunity to learn and understand the system.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

...the 20 yr war is really just PJ and Lou who got butthurt over there interactions with HH, we all still laugh about the info Hal gave them that they hold onto.

lol

"We all" must be you, Low500 and the "thousands" of other imaginary geniuses using the "aiming system from another dimension that wasn't supposed to be".

You guys in the AzB Flat Earth Aiming Society (the two of you that are left) have really stuck it to Lou and I over the years - you can tell by our laughter.

pj
chgo

 

[Low500]

Cookieman...this is for you, my friend.

Since Stan has taught hundreds of players, sold thousands of dvd's, and has several certified CTE instructors, what on God's green earth would make you think that you are in the majority. CTE players have routinely been chased off AZ with the constant bullshit. Not saying you chased any off but just look around on here, would you stay and post

Cookieman.....
Cookie, I've said it before and I'll say it again. It does not matter WHAT is revealed in Stan's Truth Series or in his Master Book......those who do not like the CTE idea or are too lazy/hardheaded/bigoted to learn it, or publish books of their own for sale about aiming, or pose as instructors or whatever 'reason' the human mind can come up with will NEVER, NEVER, accept it.
Stan knows this, yet he presses onward in spite of the minority gripers... recruiting dozens and dozens of players who never darken the doors of this establishment. Those players don't act as know-it-alls, they don't write books, they don't post instructions on how to do just about anything you can think of (even to the point of telling people how to live their lives), they don't pontificate about how much they enjoy something called 'civil debate' or any of that phony baloney that's been going on here for as long as I've been around and even longer.
Those aforementioned players, who embrace the CTE method, just keep on improving their pool game while minding their own business. My personal reason for desiring to master the CTE, is very simple.....If anyone at a pool tournament/contest wins any prize money on a given day, I just want to be one of them. Who comes in first, second, or other money finishing positions, etc. etc. is usually left in the hands of the ubiquitous "pool gods" anyway and is nothing for me to get into a twist over.
There will always be some "reason" why someone doesn't understand, or cannot figure it out, or just thinks it's a snake oil swindle, or this or that.............................forever. Those people have a perpetual enigmatic position in their small minds.
I really believe that if they did not have some axe to grind, they'd simply ignore the discussion of CTE Aiming entirely and go their merry way. There are many, many, things to discuss in this AZBilliards site other than aiming.
:thumbup2:

 

[cookie man]

Thanks for the history lesson. But the CTE war seems to be bigger than just a couple of people holding onto the past over something with Hal Houle. From the posts I've read, it appears to be about the ambiguous "objectivity" of the system, which is still questionable today by most who follow the instructions presented in the DVDs and YouTube clips. Anyone who comes here that doesn't understand CTE, or asks too many questions about it, gets tossed into the flames of this old war, and so it never dies.

You may be right about Brandon Shuff. I don't follow him on Facebook -- only going by what I watched in that interview posted by John Barton a couple of years ago. And who knows, maybe in another 20 years several more pro players will be onboard with using the system, especially if the book and truth series shed more light on it.

So, the op of this thread was asking for the best cte videos on YouTube. Do you think a private lesson with Stan or another certified CTE instructor would be much more effective than all the CTE YouTube clips combined? It seems like the most adamant users or supporters of the system have had private lessons with Stan. Do you think that's because in person there is something learned that two DVDs and a ton of YouTube clips just can't show? I do believe this is why Stan is doing the book and truth series, so more people will have a better opportunity to learn and understand the system.

It's really not bigger then a couple people that are holding onto a losing argument. What i said about Brandon is true. You said you listened to Tyler's podcast and if you followed FB you would find a few others. There will be more after book release.
As far as the OP is concerned, Wait for the Book.

 

[cookie man]

lol

"We all" must be you, Low500 and the "thousands" of other imaginary geniuses using the "aiming system from another dimension that wasn't supposed to be".

You guys in the AzB Flat Earth Aiming Society (the two of you that are left) have really stuck it to Lou and I over the years - you can tell by our laughter.

pj
chgo

And you've wasted 20 years of your life arguing a bad argument about something you have very little knowledge of. Pretty sad. But you do have Lou's shoulder to cry on i guess.

 

[lfigueroa]

Thanks for the history lesson. But the CTE war seems to be bigger than just a couple of people holding onto the past over something with Hal Houle. From the posts I've read, it appears to be about the ambiguous "objectivity" of the system, which is still questionable today by most who follow the instructions presented in the DVDs and YouTube clips. Anyone who comes here that doesn't understand CTE, or asks too many questions about it, gets tossed into the flames of this old war, and so it never dies.

You may be right about Brandon Shuff. I don't follow him on Facebook -- only going by what I watched in that interview posted by John Barton a couple of years ago. And who knows, maybe in another 20 years several more pro players will be onboard with using the system, especially if the book and truth series shed more light on it.

So, the op of this thread was asking for the best cte videos on YouTube. Do you think a private lesson with Stan or another certified CTE instructor would be much more effective than all the CTE YouTube clips combined? It seems like the most adamant users or supporters of the system have had private lessons with Stan. Do you think that's because in person there is something learned that two DVDs and a ton of YouTube clips just can't show? I do believe this is why Stan is doing the book and truth series, so more people will have a better opportunity to learn and understand the system.

Hal Houle didn’t have a mean bone in his body.

But he had some crazy ideas about aiming pool balls that he tried promoting on RSB and in phone calls. Out of the blue one afternoon he called me, probably back in the mid to late 90’s, introduced himself, and asked if I was near a pool table (I wasn’t). Regardless, he launched into his explanation of CTE, perceptions, and three angles. I listened and told him I thought the system made no sense and explained why. Hal took it all in good humor and tried further to convince me. We probably spoke for close to half an hour and said cordial farewells.

Now, proponents of the system want to throw Hal and his memory under the bus by claiming he purposely gave out faulty info to people he spoke to. Shame on them.

The reality of all this is that over the years many people have tried and discarded a flawed system. Some stuck with it because they derived some benefit and to them I say mazel tov. But at its core, as much as some fervently want us all to believe otherwise, it’s the cold fusion of aiming systems.

So, a few hundred DVDs have been sold, several dozen lessons given, his son endorses it. But few pool players that I’ve encountered over the years even know what CTE stands for. Go to any pool room, tournament, or league night and you can verify this for yourself.

I myself have dozens of books on all kinds of systems in my library. That does not mean I use any of them. Same for DVDs. You buy them, watch them, and most often forget them. IOWs buying a book or DVD does not make you a user or believer. It just means you have an open and curious mind, a commodity often in short supply around here, lol.

Lou Figueroa

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Hal Houle didn’t have a mean bone in his body.

But he had some crazy ideas about aiming pool balls that he tried promoting on RSB and in phone calls. Out of the blue one afternoon he called me, probably back in the mid to late 90’s, introduced himself, and asked if I was near a pool table (I wasn’t). Regardless, he launched into his explanation of CTE, perceptions, and three angles. I listened and told him I thought the system made no sense and explained why. Hal took it all in good humor and tried further to convince me. We probably spoke for close to half an hour and said cordial farewells.

Now, proponents of the system want to throw Hal and his memory under the bus by claiming he purposely gave out faulty info to people he spoke to. Shame on them.

The reality of all this is that over the years many people have tried and discarded a flawed system. Some stuck with it because they derived some benefit and to them I say mazel tov. But at its core, as much as some fervently want us all to believe, it’s the cold fusion of aiming systems.

So, a few hundred DVDs have been sold, several dozen lessons given, his son endorses it. But few pool players that I’ve encountered over the years even know what CTE stands for. Go to any pool room, tournament, or league night and you can verify this for yourself.

I myself have dozens of books on all kinds of systems in my library. That does not mean I use any of them. Same for DVDs. You buy them, watch them, and most often forget them. IOWs buying a book or DVD does not make you a user or believer. It just means you have an open and curious mind, a commodity often in short supply around here, lol.

Lou Figueroa

lol

Hal did the same thing to me - called one day and had a friendly chat I don't remember a word of that changed nothing in either of our minds. I always thought he was a nice guy with some harmless geometric misconceptions. The idea that he fed false info online is dumb, defensive and insulting to him.

pj
chgo

 

[Low500]

Conflicting opinions on Hal Houle

Both of you are handling the truth very carelessly about Hal calling you two out of the clear blue sky.
I chat with someone on FB who was on RSB at the time.
He said...... If it wasn't for both of you, there would never have been a CTE war but you two pounced on CTE and him from Day 1 and it still continues to this day because of you both agitating most every post that comes out about it.
Hal had no way of obtaining your phone numbers nor did he call anyone on his own. He listed HIS phone # in one of the threads for those who were interested to call him. Hal lived in San Francisco at the time and all others lived across the US. It was back when 411 was used for phone numbers and he didn't do that.
And yes, Hal told him that he gave out misinformation to those who he thought were jerks with both of you being at the top of the list. Hal wasn't being mean. He had a great sense of humor and laughed his butt off at the two of you
Hal also wanted to explain CTE to those who had pool tables in their home so it could be performed while he was instructing it. Neither of you had pool tables. He couldn't do anything without a pool table and balls except string you along.
Hal conceived over 20 aiming systems with different aim points while using manual pivots, not just CTE. Shishkabob was another deadly aiming system once it was learned, ingrained, and using tip placements with pivot.
Who cares what you think or what you use? All the two of you have ever wanted was to be Kings on the mountain in different pool forums by bad mouthing CTE and everyone who teaches and uses it.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Both of you are handling the truth very carelessly about Hal calling you two out of the clear blue sky.

Why is that hard to believe? To me it was almost expected after he bantered with both of us on RSB. Like Stan, he believed the stuff he taught and thought we might get it if he just explained it better.

He wasn't a celebrity or anything - no need for envy.

pj
chgo

 

[Dan White]

Why is that hard to believe? To me it was almost expected after he bantered with both of us on RSB. Like Stan, he believed the stuff he taught and thought we might get it if he just explained it better.

He wasn't a celebrity or anything - no need for envy.

pj
chgo

Methinks Low I mean Pete I mean Joe I mean Stan doth protest too much!

I called Hal from my basement pool table and spent maybe an hour or so with him. He had me set up an ob about 18 inches from the side pocket and the cueball 12 inches from the ob. He instructed me how to use his method and I quickly realized the elevator didn't go to the top. We moved on to his stories about Greenleaf and I had a generally pleasant conversation. Later, I took the diagram he had me make, which showed the A,B,C lines on the ob and genuinely tried to just "go with it." Ultimately it struck me as a flawed method that could only work by subjectively working the pivot in order to make the shot go. As I recall, Hal had zero interest in discussing what the cue was doing during the pivot. I didn't know him well enough but I wonder if he would have said something like, "Well of course you need to change the pivot. Don't even think about that. You'll learn to do it automatically"! That would have prevented the 20 year war so I guess he never did suggest anything like that. I think he simply ignored what the cue was doing as far as I can tell.

Time for Cookie The Enforcer to tell me how stupid I am... GO!

 

[cookie man]

Methinks Low I mean Pete I mean Joe I mean Stan doth protest too much!

I called Hal from my basement pool table and spent maybe an hour or so with him. He had me set up an ob about 18 inches from the side pocket and the cueball 12 inches from the ob. He instructed me how to use his method and I quickly realized the elevator didn't go to the top. We moved on to his stories about Greenleaf and I had a generally pleasant conversation. Later, I took the diagram he had me make, which showed the A,B,C lines on the ob and genuinely tried to just "go with it." Ultimately it struck me as a flawed method that could only work by subjectively working the pivot in order to make the shot go. As I recall, Hal had zero interest in discussing what the cue was doing during the pivot. I didn't know him well enough but I wonder if he would have said something like, "Well of course you need to change the pivot. Don't even think about that. You'll learn to do it automatically"! That would have prevented the 20 year war so I guess he never did suggest anything like that. I think he simply ignored what the cue was doing as far as I can tell.

Time for Cookie The Enforcer to tell me how stupid I am... GO!

I guess i should apologize. I did make you look pretty stupid Sunday, actually you did that to yourself with some of those posts,lol.
But hey it's no big deal that you couldn't catch on to the half ball pivot, i mean i did in 5 minutes as did a group of my friends. But it's not for everyone so i can see how you couldn't do it. Although it was very easy to do instruction wise.
One could only wonder why you keep posting here then. Normal people would say"hey it's not for me, let them have fun with it" But no you just keep posting away.

PS your elevator comment is very insensitive and from what i have heard you in know way would ever be as smart as Hal was.
Have a nice day Dubious Dan the Trolling Man

 

[cookie man]

Hal Houle didn’t have a mean bone in his body.

But he had some crazy ideas about aiming pool balls that he tried promoting on RSB and in phone calls. Out of the blue one afternoon he called me, probably back in the mid to late 90’s, introduced himself, and asked if I was near a pool table (I wasn’t). Regardless, he launched into his explanation of CTE, perceptions, and three angles. I listened and told him I thought the system made no sense and explained why. Hal took it all in good humor and tried further to convince me. We probably spoke for close to half an hour and said cordial farewells.

Now, proponents of the system want to throw Hal and his memory under the bus by claiming he purposely gave out faulty info to people he spoke to. Shame on them.

The reality of all this is that over the years many people have tried and discarded a flawed system. Some stuck with it because they derived some benefit and to them I say mazel tov. But at its core, as much as some fervently want us all to believe otherwise, it’s the cold fusion of aiming systems.

So, a few hundred DVDs have been sold, several dozen lessons given, his son endorses it. But few pool players that I’ve encountered over the years even know what CTE stands for. Go to any pool room, tournament, or league night and you can verify this for yourself.

I myself have dozens of books on all kinds of systems in my library. That does not mean I use any of them. Same for DVDs. You buy them, watch them, and most often forget them. IOWs buying a book or DVD does not make you a user or believer. It just means you have an open and curious mind, a commodity often in short supply around here, lol.

Lou Figueroa

lol

Hal did the same thing to me - called one day and had a friendly chat I don't remember a word of that changed nothing in either of our minds. I always thought he was a nice guy with some harmless geometric misconceptions. The idea that he fed false info online is dumb, defensive and insulting to him.

pj
chgo

Yea not the story I've heard,lol. But nice try at saving face. Both of you guys.

 

[lfigueroa]

Methinks Low I mean Pete I mean Joe I mean Stan doth protest too much!

I called Hal from my basement pool table and spent maybe an hour or so with him. He had me set up an ob about 18 inches from the side pocket and the cueball 12 inches from the ob. He instructed me how to use his method and I quickly realized the elevator didn't go to the top. We moved on to his stories about Greenleaf and I had a generally pleasant conversation. Later, I took the diagram he had me make, which showed the A,B,C lines on the ob and genuinely tried to just "go with it." Ultimately it struck me as a flawed method that could only work by subjectively working the pivot in order to make the shot go. As I recall, Hal had zero interest in discussing what the cue was doing during the pivot. I didn't know him well enough but I wonder if he would have said something like, "Well of course you need to change the pivot. Don't even think about that. You'll learn to do it automatically"! That would have prevented the 20 year war so I guess he never did suggest anything like that. I think he simply ignored what the cue was doing as far as I can tell.

Time for Cookie The Enforcer to tell me how stupid I am... GO!

You left off Spider — that’s who he’s channeling, lol.

Lou Figueroa