Best "Hard" Tip
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I think the Sniper tip gets harder with the more play it gets.
I have to shafts, 1 with a triangle, the other with a sniper. After I played with the sniper shaft for about 2 weeks the hit & feel were pretty similar to the other shaft just my $.02
I have to shafts, 1 with a triangle, the other with a sniper. After I played with the sniper shaft for about 2 weeks the hit & feel were pretty similar to the other shaft just my $.02
the best tip i've tried so far is the new Wasabi tips. they feel good and hold chalk like nothing i've ever seen. the other night i was playing and decided to test their chalk holding ability. i was playing straight pool and ran 30 balls on one chalking. i chalked again and did not re-chalk for another 20 balls or so. that's impressive. they feel consistently nice as well even when using extreme english. the only problem is they are in very limited production and are real hard to get. the only one i know that it's possible to get them from is Joe Gold in Chicago. that's where i got mine.
I use sumo, WB and Super Pro laminated tips. All of these are very hard tips but I like them on my playing cue. Out of the 3, I most prefer the Super Pro.
Jeff said:
I know this is what the technical data shows, but they sure don't feel that way to me. My Triangle tips sure do feel softer than my Snipers. I've even swapped tips to different shafts and Triangles still feel softer. This if very strange.
Having tried all of them, and I would love to say the sniper, Moori and Talisman are better so I can justify the nice tip, and money being no concern when it comes to my tips, my Triangle does just fine. I can play just as good with the Triangle.
JEd
jed1894 said:
Yes, feel and perception can certainly be different than what tests show.
Here is where I got the data:
http://www.wolfbite.com/tip-selection.htm
jed1894 said:
I bought a Gilbert from a local that had Triangles one it. The local had been raving about them for some time, so I went ahead and used them. Didn't feel very hard to me and mushroomed every time I played with it. I sold the Gilbert and now play with Mooris on my playing cue.
I came across a Tim Scruggs Medium/Hard on E-bay a couple months ago.
I put it on one of my "leave in the trunk" cues. At first it made a clicking ping, but after a while and reshaping it, it played great. No mushrooming, held it's shape.
On my playing cues I use Moori Quick tips. With the Moori's, I feel that if you really beat the piss out of them from the start and get them to "super mushroom" you can then cut them down again and they play great, not to mention much harder.
Also keep in mind, I play pool everyday and my stroke is fairly consistent. If you aren't hitting the balls very often you might not want to use these types of tips.
Broken in Moori Mediums play semi-hard and are easier to move the cue ball with. They are definitely more forgiving when it comes to striking whitey on his outer edge.
I put it on one of my "leave in the trunk" cues. At first it made a clicking ping, but after a while and reshaping it, it played great. No mushrooming, held it's shape.
On my playing cues I use Moori Quick tips. With the Moori's, I feel that if you really beat the piss out of them from the start and get them to "super mushroom" you can then cut them down again and they play great, not to mention much harder.
Also keep in mind, I play pool everyday and my stroke is fairly consistent. If you aren't hitting the balls very often you might not want to use these types of tips.
Broken in Moori Mediums play semi-hard and are easier to move the cue ball with. They are definitely more forgiving when it comes to striking whitey on his outer edge.
KJ Cues said:
My break cue is a cheap (made in Taiwan?) "Palmer" sneaky with one of those way tall water buffalo tips. It hasn't mushroomed yet...
Playing cue is a Jacoby J-2 with an X shaft, sniper tip...now that I've had it a couple of months, I think I'm adjusting...played pretty well by my standards yesterday afternoon.
I like Triangle's hardness, or maybe a lil harder, But I dont like super Hard tips, Some shots require traction, and super hard tips cant grip the cue ball enough to be effecive at slower speeds. IMHO
Le Pro IMO had a really good tip a while back, so good Id say it was the best tip all around, BUT THEY SURE MESSED THAT UP.
Same thing with Triangle. However the Triangle Chalk is very good
I just invented a revolutionary tip, the harder you strike the cue ball, the harder the tips gets, so if you strike the cue ball easy the tips is soft, if you strike the cue ball hard the tip instantly firms up.
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SO YEAH IM A LIAR but hey some day someone may actualy put Science to use and develop a real tip. Until then, I'll use triangle
SPINDOKTOR
Le Pro IMO had a really good tip a while back, so good Id say it was the best tip all around, BUT THEY SURE MESSED THAT UP.
Same thing with Triangle. However the Triangle Chalk is very good
I just invented a revolutionary tip, the harder you strike the cue ball, the harder the tips gets, so if you strike the cue ball easy the tips is soft, if you strike the cue ball hard the tip instantly firms up.
Never mushrooms and chalk is optional, only 250$ each. with a minimum order of 5, get yours TODAY!!!
SO YEAH IM A LIAR but hey some day someone may actualy put Science to use and develop a real tip. Until then, I'll use triangle
SPINDOKTOR
Do you want a hard tip because of no proporsity - meaning the tip doesn't change on impact Kamui II's are the only tip I will use now! Go to Kamuibrand.com click on Movie clip and watch. Why isn't your question what tip allows me to play the best. What shape is your tip nickel dime qtr. In the 60's-70's joss was famous for their tips crown jewels, Richard Black, Tad Kohara all had tips made still do. We don't have waterbuffalo Hides over two inches thick in this day and age to compress. The Origional French Champions hade a shape of there own but did mushroom,so what. It is not very hard or expensive to shape clean or seal,burnish tips. I do it every time I play with a shaft keeping it in the best condition. Remember it is not just the tip that gives you the hard feel it is shaft wood, ferrule matterial, tip. all three. with that said ivory ferrule hard moori regular shaft best hard feel I'll stop. Try this cover the joints on different cues see if you think you can tell any diff. you can't. Look at the grain in your shaft bank ball with the grain up and 90 degrees from that spot find the difference in radial consticistancy in your shaft
Rubber duraometer hardness scales are almost useless for leather tips. The Sniper and triangle play very similar. Where as the Moori and Lepro play very similar. You have to press most tips before putting them on to eliminate mushrooming and they will be much harder then, but that is where they will get to after pounding balls for several hours anyway.Jeff said:
I don't judge tips off of a rubber hardness scale, but off a feel scale. Here is how I judge the most popular broken in tips after many hours of play.
Phenolic is rock hard.
Buffalo is super hard.
Moori and most layered tips are hard.
Lepro is hard.
Triangle is Medium.
Sniper is medium.
Tiger Soft is soft.
Elk Master is soft.
I hope this helps.
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
ddcuerepair said:
WOW!
...and here I thought CB control came from having a good stroke! Guess I better run out and get me some of them tips! 
It never ceases to amaze me how many people think one tip "gets" more spin than another! LOL BALONEY! Tip hardness is merely a personal preference. It has nothing to do with whether or not (or how much) you can spin the CB. Stroke has EVERYTHING to do with whether or not (or how much) you can spin the CB! Someone with a good stroke can take any cue with any tip and make just about any shot! They may prefer one over another, but they can make any work!
Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com