Best Hustle You've pulled off in the pool room..

Hustle in Kansas City

About 30 years ago, give or take a year, I experienced a player you may only read about in a lifetime of pool playing. As I think of the great road hustlers we know the names of, such as Cornbread Red, I will always wonder who was that drunk man shooting with the bar stick with the missing tip.
While waiting for a friend singing in the band in the room next to the bar, I decide to shoot a few games on the lone table next to the bar. This was not one of my usual hangouts. This particular establishment, in the northwest part of Kansas City, happened to be a Country and Western club. I was more into rock those days. Since then I have converted and you may think of me as a slight redneck in musical preferences now.
He approached me and was insistent we play for a few bucks. Not a buck or a beer as was usual in those days to break the ice. At first I was hesitant. The old man wreaked of alcohol and had a difficult time walking and talking.

I prided myself on spotting tells. These can be tough to spot if the Hustler is one of the best. I had only been fooled twice before and was not looking for number three. In those days I rarely lost on a barbox playing eight ball when given the break. If the opponent broke, it was advisable for him to run the table. (I say he because I refused to play women for money after losing to Donna Ries when I was about 18. She spotted me 75 to 100 in 14.1 and I lost)
The game was on. The young shooter trying to hustle the old man at least twice my age. It was my nature to slow play for money and in this case did not wish to take advantage of the man if he truly was impaired enough to make bad financial decisions.

In the first game I noticed the missing tip, advised him to chose a more appropriate cue (also wondering at what point does he go get his own cue). He seemed oblivious to the fact that it made a difference and it turned out that in the next many games I cannot recall many if any miscues. For appearing polluted, he manged a proficient stroke using only the center ball hit. At this point I realized we were both hustling each other. Game On. The early games for $5 and then $10 I played well enough to win by a small margin. I noticed he was getting more serious so I also gradually progressed. By $20 a game I was wondering when he would show me some of his real game, so I stepped it up too much. I changed my strategy hoping to draw him out and proceeded to put on a clinic for the ever increasing crowd gathering to experience the caliber of play most had never seen. As the spectators looked on, I was in my element and was urged on by the oohs and aahs as I unleashed an arsenal of shots. I no longer trusted the old man. It was just a matter of time. He showed me a progression of competition, but I wanted his A game with any cue.

The old guy never chose to show me. Possibly I was the best. I think not. He was looking for a fish. I was looking for the fisherman. We played a couple games or more for $50. At this point he was through.
I expected to progress to more money. I never played there again. Never saw him again. We came together on the table one honkytonk night to remember. I would pay dearly to know his name.
 
a wiser hustler

The old man was much like a friend of mine. He wasn't going to give up the act regardless. In a way I respect that but I respect even more the road player that recognized that we both knew the score and said let's cut the crap and play pool.

I have to admit that every time I let the ponies run in my gambling days it cost me money in the long run. Too many don't forget what they saw one night and they know that gear may well be lurking in you somewhere when you need it again. Of course if you are going to shoot a three railer in a redneck bar be sure you let out a loud whoop when you do it and follow through to the ceiling. :D

Hu


bobalouiecda said:
About 30 years ago, give or take a year, I experienced a player you may only read about in a lifetime of pool playing. As I think of the great road hustlers we know the names of, such as Cornbread Red, I will always wonder who was that drunk man shooting with the bar stick with the missing tip.
While waiting for a friend singing in the band in the room next to the bar, I decide to shoot a few games on the lone table next to the bar. This was not one of my usual hangouts. This particular establishment, in the northwest part of Kansas City, happened to be a Country and Western club. I was more into rock those days. Since then I have converted and you may think of me as a slight redneck in musical preferences now.
He approached me and was insistent we play for a few bucks. Not a buck or a beer as was usual in those days to break the ice. At first I was hesitant. The old man wreaked of alcohol and had a difficult time walking and talking.

I prided myself on spotting tells. These can be tough to spot if the Hustler is one of the best. I had only been fooled twice before and was not looking for number three. In those days I rarely lost on a barbox playing eight ball when given the break. If the opponent broke, it was advisable for him to run the table. (I say he because I refused to play women for money after losing to Donna Ries when I was about 18. She spotted me 75 to 100 in 14.1 and I lost)
The game was on. The young shooter trying to hustle the old man at least twice my age. It was my nature to slow play for money and in this case did not wish to take advantage of the man if he truly was impaired enough to make bad financial decisions.

In the first game I noticed the missing tip, advised him to chose a more appropriate cue (also wondering at what point does he go get his own cue). He seemed oblivious to the fact that it made a difference and it turned out that in the next many games I cannot recall many if any miscues. For appearing polluted, he manged a proficient stroke using only the center ball hit. At this point I realized we were both hustling each other. Game On. The early games for $5 and then $10 I played well enough to win by a small margin. I noticed he was getting more serious so I also gradually progressed. By $20 a game I was wondering when he would show me some of his real game, so I stepped it up too much. I changed my strategy hoping to draw him out and proceeded to put on a clinic for the ever increasing crowd gathering to experience the caliber of play most had never seen. As the spectators looked on, I was in my element and was urged on by the oohs and aahs as I unleashed an arsenal of shots. I no longer trusted the old man. It was just a matter of time. He showed me a progression of competition, but I wanted his A game with any cue.

The old guy never chose to show me. Possibly I was the best. I think not. He was looking for a fish. I was looking for the fisherman. We played a couple games or more for $50. At this point he was through.
I expected to progress to more money. I never played there again. Never saw him again. We came together on the table one honkytonk night to remember. I would pay dearly to know his name.
 
ShootingArts said:
The old man was much like a friend of mine. He wasn't going to give up the act regardless. In a way I respect that but I respect even more the road player that recognized that we both knew the score and said let's cut the crap and play pool.

I have to admit that every time I let the ponies run in my gambling days it cost me money in the long run. Too many don't forget what they saw one night and they know that gear may well be lurking in you somewhere when you need it again. Of course if you are going to shoot a three railer in a redneck bar be sure you let out a loud whoop when you do it and follow through to the ceiling. :D

Hu
You are right Hu. I did not know the appropriate etiquette in the redneck bar. Thank goodness for Jeff Foxworthy.
 
When I lived in Riverside Co. in California I was to go to a bar on Saturdays off of the interstate right outside of Parris ,California ... They had a tourny there and my teacher Rex and I would go play in it... We get there early one day and I'm warming up when in comes this guy with a nice looking case and a nice Joss cue setting in it... He gets a beer watches me awhile goes up to Scotty and pays his money to get in the tourny ...

He throws his 50 cents on the table and I tell him to rackem I was just warming up anyway ... He racks them then asks me if I want to play for 20.00 , At first I get cautious I kind of like to see how who I play , plays first .. Gave it a thought and said what the heck , I told him o.k. ... My buddie Woody had just got done showing me the 8 ball side break a few weeks earlier where you break from the side rail and hit the second ball and I decided to use it ... And as luck would have it the 8 ball shot right in the side pocket ...The guy pays me and racks em again. I break 8ball in the side pocket , This time the guy pays me and racks them cussing the whole time ... I break them and pop once again 8 ball in the side pocket ... The guy pays me ... Unscrews his cue and looks around and says I'm lucky if I have made the 8 ball on the break once in my life ... This kid made it three times in a row on me ... I must of walked into the wrong damn place ... He left without even getting his tournament fee back... We laughed about that for a long time... I have made the eight several times since then but never back to back again and surly not three times in a row ... It is not my biggest score but it my most memorable ...
 
The Westview Lounge

I was banging balls around at the Westview Lounge in Waco,Tx back in the early 80's.

Not much going on, when this guy in his forties with an early 70's disco style outfit walks in. He's strutting a serious rooster walk, has an assortment of cheap jewelry and several tats. His shirt unbuttoned half way to show off the pendant on the end of his neck chain! LOL.

He approaches and starts a tale of crime,prison and hustling pool!! He sees I play a little and asks If I want to try him a little 8ball. I oblige.We start out with some $5 a rack.

I played him my usual way, win 2 lose 1 win 2 lose 1, until he's down 45. At this point he's starting to think he's the one getting hustled and challenges, "double or nothing" he shouts! I agree and off we go (I'm sure most of you know there is no safety play in bar 8ball) Good way to get your head bashed!! LOL. This rack he was being REAL careful in his shot selection, if you know what I mean. I run to the 8 and get hooked behind one of his 6 balls left on the table. He is so worried about his shot selection that he misses and leaves me a long way backwards bank!! While I'm sizing it up he blurts out," where ya going?". I say, "right back here!" Bam, nail it!! He starts to crawfish on the green! I'm young,dumb and.....you know the rest! lol. I start getting loud about my money. He gets in my face (twice my age and scary looking), I look like Opie Taylor mind you,..... 4 or 5 regulars come to my defense.

He pays and hits the door! Had my Adrenalin pumping though! He was a REAL POOL HUSTLER alright!! LOL.

Funny how you remember the stories, where you almost got your arse kicked, pretty vividly! LOL

Ray Roy
(You can call me Ray.....you can call me Roy but you doesn't have to call me Johnson!) LMAO

Ray
 
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This weekend at TAP Nationals I was playing in singles on the loser side. I had a kick at a ball and thought I may have hit the eight first. I glanced over at my opponent and he didn't budge. He sat there and didn't even look at me. I wasn't looking at the shot and was focused on the cueball after the hit so I wasn't sure which I hit first. But because he didn't budge I went ahead and called the eight without hesitation. After the match...all my friend watching laughed at me histerically because they knew I sharked the guy out of a game. I don't feel bad because he could have called a ref over or even just asked me if it was clean. He didn't act so I kept shooting, unaware if I was legal or not....oh well, his loss...literally ;)
 
Matt_24 said:
Hey - I worked at Snookers as a high school aged kid. I probably knew those asian guys. They were Vietnamese, drank Heineken non-stop. Pretty good guys. Their best player I think was a guy named "Kale"..if I'm correct. I had an Asian friend named "Vee" who had real long hair, was ripped like Bruce Lee (and liked to wear muscle shirts, LOL)...and played good pool too. Of course in 2000 I was already in the military...but there was an Asian guy who came through around 97 who played REAL good, and beat all of the asian guys and also won the JOB's tournament. This guy was a seriously good player.

Hey Matt, did the Asian guy who was around in 97 go by the name Saki?
I remember him matching up at JOB's a few times. There was another good Asian player around the same time that went by Cheeto. I'm not sure if these were their real names or just nicknames. Both were good players.
 
About 5yrs ago we were playing poker at a gentalmans house, he had a beautiful gold-crown 2 in his gameroom. When I got one outed in the poker game i took a little break and hit some balls while my friends keep playing poker. The owner of the house came over and said he would play me some 1-p for 25 a game im not a good player by any means, but I knew this guy was a stone sucker he owned a couple car dealerships and would smooth go off anyway I win 4 games and he quits 1st time I ever seen him quit anything.

After that were sitting around and his kids had a nintendo 64 hooked up to his big screen so I said I would play some of that. We finaly find a game both of us has herd of DUCK HUNT. We start out at 10$ a game and end up playing for 8hrs and I finaly got him to go off I win 3k and a 2000 chevy Impala playing nintendo. To this day everytime we meet he is nice as he can be but cant get him to gamble on anything else. Dont know if this was a hustle or not but it was the best time i've ever had gambling.
 
I was matched up with a guy I knew at a bar back in the mid 80's. The guy played really good, and I was playing on short money. Me and my buddie's only had $200 between us, and I lost the first 2 set's at $50 a piece. We were playing with a mud ball, so I tell the guy I wanna play some more, but my buddies are bored and wanna go to strip club on the other side of town. It was a well known place for action and we had played there a couple of times in the past. We went out the door with him agreeing to meet us there. My buddy drove like a mad man and took all the shortcut's. We get there about 25 minutes before the guy I'm playing, so I'm already adapted to the light cue-ball and the different cloth. I beat him 3 straight sets before he realized what I did to him, and quit.
 
I was at a weekly $5 entry tourney at a bar, and one of the older guys in the tourney who gambled a lot, told me not to show much and he'd make us some money. He pointed out a guy playing in the back room with his son-in-law. Tells me to go put up a quarter {it was in the early 80's} and challenge the table. Don't ask him to gamble, show him you can play a little but don't get carried away. The guy might run 1 rack of 8 ball out of 10 or 15. So I play a couple of games for nothing winning 1 out of the first 3. He asked me to play for $2, and I win about $6 before he asked to bet $10. After about 2 hours, he ended up raising the bet to $40 a game. I won about $240, and split with the guy who staked me, even though he knew the guy had no chance to win. He said if the guy had a thousand on him, we'd have got it all before he quit.
That was a long time ago, and I was trying to support a girlfriend and her 2 kids. I'm not like that now, but I wouldn't trade all the things I learned from the pool world when I was growing up.
 
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