Best Time To Buy a Cue at the Derby
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One suggestion, Tommy, would be to try to sell your cues outright. If you trade them, you will get a lot less than they are worth if you sold them privately. Cue dealers will naturally want to make a profit on a deal, so if you trade + cash instead of cash only, they will want make up the difference on the trade. A private party transaction would generally be much more forgiving when doing a trade.
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You'll come up better buying with cash even pre Derby is a better cue market becouse who your buying from wants to take cash to the derby also. Trading is iffy at best cue makers there are looking to sell not trade .. I recomend trying to sell what you have NOW and take the cash with you !! My $.02 worth Bill
Cash is king,but Bill Grassley cornerstone and Sean at cue addicts would be my advice,also that ***** Don,... shureman cues .I've done some deals with each and walked away with out feeling like I spent the night with bubba in a jail cell 
Post photos of your cues here and see what happens
Post photos of your cues here and see what happens
cuedoctor said:Cash is king,but Bill Grassley cornerstone and Sean at cue addicts would be my advice,also that ***** Don,... shureman cues .I've done some deals with each and walked away with out feeling like I spent the night with bubba in a jail cell
Ohhh stop complaining... you know thats why you keep a tube of KY in your case...
JV
Tommyd1 said:
I to would recommend selling them first. The Black Bushka will get you 1/2 retail on trade ONLY if it's in primo condition. Not because of the cue or the maker, but the market. The only thing going for you is it's one of Richards more popular models. I couldn't comment on the bear because I do not have enough experience with them, and I haven't seen enough to properly give a number.
JV
dont give it away
Tommy bring it by Iwould love to help! and any dealer that would offer 1/2 of retail on a Black bushka are scammers! that is the oLd way of dealing ,steal your cue and sell it high!Richard Blacks! sell very good for us.we will have about 200 cues and will accomadate you some how!Tommyd1 said:
Thanks for the kind words, I guess if you got .50 on the dollar on your trade it would be like staying with bubbacuedoctor said:Cash is king,but Bill Grassley cornerstone and Sean at cue addicts would be my advice,also that ***** Don,... shureman cues .I've done some deals with each and walked away with out feeling like I spent the night with bubba in a jail cell
Bill, is it really necessary to kick others in the shins?
Ay Carumba, Bill. No disrespect bro but why take a swipe at Joe V like that? Joe's a stand-up guy. You may deal differently than he or others do but that doesn't make him or them a "scammer" and you a saint. Just a few years ago I did about 3 deals with Joe (you were not really on the dealer map then) without any problems at all. I wowuldn't hesitate to recommend him or deal with him again. Joe also offers a wealth of straightforward input about cues to the forum.
PS: I saw another thread and I guess you guys have been going back and forth for a while. Pardon me all to hell!
I completely agree with DJ on sellling your own cues outright to maximize your cue dollar value. Holds true for most goods that are bought and sold around the world. Been that way for centuries.
Martin
Ay Carumba, Bill. No disrespect bro but why take a swipe at Joe V like that? Joe's a stand-up guy. You may deal differently than he or others do but that doesn't make him or them a "scammer" and you a saint. Just a few years ago I did about 3 deals with Joe (you were not really on the dealer map then) without any problems at all. I wowuldn't hesitate to recommend him or deal with him again. Joe also offers a wealth of straightforward input about cues to the forum.
PS: I saw another thread and I guess you guys have been going back and forth for a while. Pardon me all to hell!
I completely agree with DJ on sellling your own cues outright to maximize your cue dollar value. Holds true for most goods that are bought and sold around the world. Been that way for centuries.
Martin
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i have had multiple dealings with joe and mark and also other dealers on this forum all with great results. i cannot comment on cornerstone because i have not been able to do any business with him yet.
my first question would be that if that black bushka cue is worth more than 50% to a dealer on trade, then what is the correct number? my second question would be what is the sale price based upon, list or some other price? i have worked in auto dealerships all my life (service, not sales) so i know about things like acv (actual cash value) and how the prices are presented to customers by different car dealers.
guy
my first question would be that if that black bushka cue is worth more than 50% to a dealer on trade, then what is the correct number? my second question would be what is the sale price based upon, list or some other price? i have worked in auto dealerships all my life (service, not sales) so i know about things like acv (actual cash value) and how the prices are presented to customers by different car dealers.
guy
guycrunch said:
Guy,
Don't sweat it, I don't. He has to protect the cues he sells, plain and simple. Scamming to me is when you promise the person he won't lose money then he can't get rid of the cue for less than a 25% loss, ask Jeff at Icon, he knows all about it. The other great scam is to make multiple screen names to pump your business. Ask cuegirl..., but its ok because she did it for Jesus
JV (---thanks for the kind words to all...
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jazznpool said:
Martin,
Thanks.. but to me.. ahhhh why bother. You know what the bible says about turning the other cheek and all that stuff... WWJD
JV
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cuedoctor said:I'll make sure I pick up a 16 oz tube for when I go up to valley forge and see you and mark
See you even know what tube size they come in.. you have definitely been to our booth..
JV
what my point is,lets say somone comes to jv wanting to buy a KURCHESKI for 1800 (let us say 1/2 profit) and brings a pinnical cue maker like Richard Black (his Bushka) let us say 1900.00 and offer 1/2 on trade. so the buyer ponys up 850.00 plus his bushka.THAT IS WRONG AND UNFAIR!!!joe has been taking shots at me since I started,3 years ago he said I wuold fail and be another one of the many that come and go. Well here is what I say "LEAD ,FOLLOW OR GET OUT OF THE WAY" In the next 3 years we will make it a point to have the very best cues by the WORLDS BEST makers and provide the very best service and the Highest trade in on desireable cues! so that is where we standand it is all up to the consumer to pick where they would like to bring there cues for a trade or sale!jazznpool said:
have a nice day martinI think Tom is still looking for the answer to part of his question, what is the better of the 2 weekends to go if you are looking for a cue? Will the vendors be there and set up for the first weekend and if you can only make it for the last weekend will there still be a good variety of cues left?
i would say the first weekend! and I eill have some guest cuemakers there alsoTheBook said:
my personal opinion is that the dealers will try to hold onto their primo stuff until they get a good price, and would probably not be as willing to trade during the start of the tournament. I would hit them up near the end. If you know the cue you want and know who has one, and you got into your cues cheap and don't mind giving away a little value for yourself, I'd shoot for the first weekend.
Some of the best deals to be had, from what I have been told, is near the end of the tournament if you have cash. Players will invariably get into some heavy money games, and may need cash to pay off. But you would have to "outbid" others who may be doing the same thing.
Some of the best deals to be had, from what I have been told, is near the end of the tournament if you have cash. Players will invariably get into some heavy money games, and may need cash to pay off. But you would have to "outbid" others who may be doing the same thing.
In my (limited) experience merchanting with different products I can say that the biggest regrets I've had came from not picking up what I wanted early on. The best deals go first, and I think that holds up in any merchant event.
Here is the problem with waiting...
Lets say you go to a booth and you find a cue you really, really like. You hem and haw, and cannot cut a deal at that moment. You think to yourself, I will come back and get that cue when he has a little more time into it. This works only on the non-hot commodities, and stuff thats priced a little high. Because if the cue is hot, ala Searing, SouthWest, White/Mottey, Tascarella, Hercek there is a high probability that the cue will not be there when you return. Because if YOU like it, bet your last dollar that someone else will like it. That person may not hesitate. I cannot tell you in the many years at the VF show I have heard, "damn I should have bought that cue when you had it." It's the second most heard phrase to "what will you take, cash". BTW these are the same two phrases I hear from the internet sales also.
Chances are if its on the not-hot or production list, you will have some time.
Always remember "chance favors the packed wallet" or something like that..
JV
Lets say you go to a booth and you find a cue you really, really like. You hem and haw, and cannot cut a deal at that moment. You think to yourself, I will come back and get that cue when he has a little more time into it. This works only on the non-hot commodities, and stuff thats priced a little high. Because if the cue is hot, ala Searing, SouthWest, White/Mottey, Tascarella, Hercek there is a high probability that the cue will not be there when you return. Because if YOU like it, bet your last dollar that someone else will like it. That person may not hesitate. I cannot tell you in the many years at the VF show I have heard, "damn I should have bought that cue when you had it." It's the second most heard phrase to "what will you take, cash". BTW these are the same two phrases I hear from the internet sales also.
Chances are if its on the not-hot or production list, you will have some time.
Always remember "chance favors the packed wallet" or something like that..
JV