Better than the new Moori???

Cuedog

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Seems I keep reading the phrase..."I like them better than the new Moori". Or statements like..."I like them better than the Moori tip" (new or old). If there are so many tips better than the Moori, how did Moori get to be the tip by which people measure all other tips?

My top three personal favorites are Sniper, Kamui, and Moori, in that order. I like other tips but not as much as these three.

My question is simply this...what tip do you like more than the Moori tip, and more importantly, WHY?

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
Seems I keep reading the phrase..."I like them better than the new Moori". Or statements like..."I like them better than the Moori tip" (new or old). If there are so many tips better than the Moori, how did Moori get to be the tip by which people measure all other tips?

My top three personal favorites are Sniper, Kamui, and Moori, in that order. I like other tips but not as much as these three.

My question is simply this...what tip do you like more than the Moori tip, and more importantly, WHY?

Gene
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My top 3 tips I like more than a Moori:

#1 - Triangle
#2 - Le Pro
#3 - Pressed Blue Diamond

I HATE laminated tips - they constantly delaminate, and they miscue more than the 60 cent tips. Jim Buss doesn't like layered tips, and he's a rocket scientist. I'll stick by his opinion any day.
 
Cuedog said:
how did Moori get to be the tip by which people measure all other tips?
Gene
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Moori was one of the first (if not THE first) layered tips. In a time when they had little or no competition at all, Moori was the chosen tip by many pro players.

My question is simply this...what tip do you like more than the Moori tip, and more importantly, WHY?
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The new Moori tips loose their shape faster then the old ones and to me they get really dull really fast.
Since I'm playing with hard tips for the last two years, I find that there are quite a few hard tips that are better (and some cheaper) then Moori and by better I mean that I don't need to cut it off after a month or two because it's dead....
In no particularly order, I like:
1. Wizard tips (from J&J) - probably the best bang for the buck!! They are better then Moori and cost much less... these lasted up to six months on my 314 shaft and played the same till the last two layers.
2. Black Jack (from Seyberts) - I've had it on my 314 for about a month and I've just installed one on my Z shaft. So far they look very promising.

I also got a few Kamui tips but if the BJ will keep on performing then It'll be a while before I get to test them as hard tips have a longer life span on my cues.... Although I have a second Z shaft that I might put a Kamui on it soon.
 
Let me just mention something regarding tip pricing. A moori that you pay to have installed may cost you $35.00. If you use it for 6 months, the cost to you is 19 cents per day if used 7 days a week. The cost goes to 38-47 cents per day if you play 3 or 4 days a week.

IMO, no matter what tip you buy, there just isn't a major expense there especially given that your tip is arguably, the most important part of your cue.

Gene
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
My top 3 tips I like more than a Moori:

#1 - Triangle
#2 - Le Pro
#3 - Pressed Blue Diamond

I HATE laminated tips - they constantly delaminate, and they miscue more than the 60 cent tips. Jim Buss doesn't like layered tips, and he's a rocket scientist. I'll stick by his opinion any day.
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Sounds to me like you trouble is not laminated tips. Could be an installation problem. If laminated tips delaminated "constantly", do you really believe that they would be the market leader when it comes to most requested tips today?

I respect and admire Jim Buss tremendously. However, you can never target your opinion on ANYTHING based on the opinion of one person. I would be shocked to hear that Jim had anything to do with the installation of the many laminated tips you have tried. You have tried a few right?

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
My question is simply this...what tip do you like more than the Moori tip, and more importantly, WHY?

Gene
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I prefer the Milk Dud tip. It is a modified tip made from an Elkmaster tip.

It's not laminated, and thus will never delaminate...:thumbup:

The way I prepare them, they are consistent, and accurate, and just plain excellent.

Oh... they also cost next to nothing, especially if you install them yourself. Mine cost me something like $0.40 each. However, price is not the object of my appreciation of the Milk Dud. It's playability...:thumbup:

Flex
 
Cuedog said:
Sounds to me like you trouble is not laminated tips. Could be an installation problem. If laminated tips delaminated "constantly", do you really believe that they would be the market leader when it comes to most requested tips today?

I respect and admire Jim Buss tremendously. However, you can never target your opinion on ANYTHING based on the opinion of one person. I would be shocked to hear that Jim had anything to do with the installation of the many laminated tips you have tried. You have tried a few right?

Gene
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No problems with installation at all. I've installed them myself with a razor blade and my lathe. I've had nothing but problems with Talisman and Tiger tips as long as I have used them. Mooris are good, Wizards are good, and Kamui is good as well. I just don't get 15 times the performance from them versus a Le Pro or Triangle, which is the price difference. Over the years, I've learned how to pick out the good Le Pros and Triangles out of the box. Those are the tips that go on my cue. I can make one last about 4-6 months.

I'm not saying laminated tips are garbage. I'm saying I hate them. I don't like the feel of them, and I hate seeing glue lines on the top of my tip. Triangles work good for me.

As far as market leader, I'm willing to bet there are more Triangle and LePro tips bought and installed on a daily basis than Moori. :)
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
No problems with installation at all. I've installed them myself with a razor blade and my lathe. I've had nothing but problems with Talisman and Tiger tips as long as I have used them. Mooris are good, Wizards are good, and Kamui is good as well. I just don't get 15 times the performance from them versus a Le Pro or Triangle, which is the price difference. Over the years, I've learned how to pick out the good Le Pros and Triangles out of the box. Those are the tips that go on my cue. I can make one last about 4-6 months.

I'm not saying laminated tips are garbage. I'm saying I hate them. I don't like the feel of them, and I hate seeing glue lines on the top of my tip. Triangles work good for me.

As far as market leader, I'm willing to bet there are more Triangle and LePro tips bought and installed on a daily basis than Moori. :)
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What method do you use to pick out the best tips?
 
I have a Moori medium and a LePro on my two shafts. I noticed a little bit mushrooming on both tips. But there is a little nice difference: I get 50 Lepro or 1,5 Moori *ggg*

I heard good things about the Triangle and will test it next time I need a new tip.

Why do you buy a Moori ? Just because of the "anti mushrooming effect" ?

I don?t know why, but I like the LePro a little bit more then the Moori.
Its just my subjective opinion, but I think the LePro plays a little bit "softer" then the Moori and I like that.
 
Half_Cut said:
What method do you use to pick out the best tips?
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Look for the ones with the most even number of "dots" on the bottom of the tip. Usually the denser hides have more of these spots on them. Sand the bottoms and make sure there are no cracks in the hide. After that, I put them away in a pill bottle for my use. So far, so good.

Also, the bad ones have a funny taste.......... :)
 
Nothing so far is better than the OLD Moori's. I'm still searching. I'm still well stocked. ;)

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Cuedog said:
Let me just mention something regarding tip pricing. A moori that you pay to have installed may cost you $35.00. If you use it for 6 months, the cost to you is 19 cents per day if used 7 days a week. The cost goes to 38-47 cents per day if you play 3 or 4 days a week.

IMO, no matter what tip you buy, there just isn't a major expense there especially given that your tip is arguably, the most important part of your cue.

Gene
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Moori will last 6 months if you shoot pool an hour a week....
When I've used the Moori Soft I had to replace it after 2 - 3 months depends on the frequency of play.
When I was using Moori medium or Hard, I had to cut it off after 2 - 3 months after installation, not because it was time to replace it but because they become dull and they playability was awful.

I think we all need to consider that different tips will act / last and perform differently in different parts of the world with different whether and humidity levels.
So my best advice to all the "best tips searchers" is to try yourself different tips and see what fits you the best.
 
How many different lines of Mooris have come out since the originals?

I don't understand why the same process wasn't somewhat adhered to when I guess they went from some old guy making them individually by hand to mass produced in a factory.

Something along the lines of the old adage that you don't fix what's not broken.
 
I'm tip-picky. I have yet to find three tips I like better than the rest. I can say that the Sniper and the Tiger I have tried were nothing to crow about. Both mushroomed some and didn't hold shape any better than some lower cost tips. Le Pro is about the best I've had through the years and those are hit and miss in quality.

Milk duds is what I think I'm going to try next. Can't beat the cost.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
I HATE laminated tips - they constantly delaminate, and they miscue more than the 60 cent tips.
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Shawn Armstrong said:
No problems with installation at all. I've installed them myself with a razor blade and my lathe. I've had nothing but problems with Talisman and Tiger tips as long as I have used them. Mooris are good, Wizards are good, and Kamui is good as well. I just don't get 15 times the performance from them versus a Le Pro or Triangle, which is the price difference. Over the years, I've learned how to pick out the good Le Pros and Triangles out of the box. Those are the tips that go on my cue. I can make one last about 4-6 months.

I'm not saying laminated tips are garbage. I'm saying I hate them. I don't like the feel of them, and I hate seeing glue lines on the top of my tip. Triangles work good for me.

As far as market leader, I'm willing to bet there are more Triangle and LePro tips bought and installed on a daily basis than Moori. :)
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I still can't get past the first statement. If you were having delamination problems as much as you say you experienced, then visit my web site. You will find my number there. I'll be more than happy to work with you on this if you want. My customers have had zero delamination problems and I install many, many layered tips each week.

Meanwhile...the most compelling reason I've seen that other tips are better than the Moori is based on the cost. :confused:

Gene
 
Cuedog said:
I still can't get past the first statement. If you were having delamination problems as much as you say you experienced, then visit my web site. You will find my number there. I'll be more than happy to work with you on this if you want. My customers have had zero delamination problems and I install many, many layered tips each week.

Meanwhile...the most compelling reason I've seen that other tips are better than the Moori is based on the cost. :confused:

Gene
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There are a bunch of us that have had problems with Talisman and Tiger. It's not me, sorry to burst your bubble.

I don't think there is much that you can teach me in regards to installing tips, as I think we pretty much all do it the exact same way. Thanks for the effort. I have spoken with Tony at Tiger and he told me I was doing the installs properly (maybe I got a bad batch of Snipers when they first came out), and Tony from Talisman came to the exact same conclusion.

Mooris hold up great, the same as most "good" laminated tips. I just don't like them, and you will never prove to me that a laminated tip is better. To me, it's pure hype that the consumer has bought into yet again. Moori comes out with a tip that people were willing to pay $40 to buy, back years ago. Then, everyone and their dog comes out with their laminated tip, with the line "as good as a moori, yet half the price". If I ever play laminated again, it's Moori, or nothing. I, however, like one piece tips. I am willing to sacrifice the "so-called" extra consistency for lack of miscues, and the improved feel of the one piece tip.
 
for 23layerd Hercules is the best choice.Moori after monthe need to be reshape and what more annoying its mushrooming a lot,also feedback is a little blured,thats why i went to Hercules.They hit much harder but sipns CB a bit more than Moori.They are made from a different leather.Its hard to shape them first but later they last veeery long with exactly same shape
 
i've gone back to single layer tips after using laminated tips for awhile. though i never really had any problems with tips delaminating or anything. just not really worth the money, the single layer tips play just as good and feel more solid. as for longevity, i haven't really measured exactly, but probably not too much difference. maybe layered tips do last a little longer, but not that much. i do my own tips, so it's just easy for me to cut one off and put on another. i also don't see why everyone is so concerned about mushrooming. tips do that, they're leather and leather compresses. just trim it off, no big deal!

the tips i like the best are triumph, triangle, and sumo. gonna get some blue diamonds to try, i hear they are good as well.
 
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