Beware of ebay ID bigjohn1211 aka AZB member Bigjohn
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dave sutton
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just wondering where did he say the shafts were 4 oz shafts? i didnt read it in the ebay auction. i bet the joint protectors were on the shafts by accident.
the taper of the butt may be why it is out. the first few cues i made i did in pieces and when they are straight in the lathe they didnt roll perfect. i since changed the way i taper my cues bc the wrap area threw the joint off but the cue spun perfect in the lathe. you should chuck it up and see how it spins. cue may not be a total loss if he doesnt refund.
also i seem to remember someone trying to sell a bem bluegrass on here that clearly stated it had warp issues. wonder if its the same cue?
the taper of the butt may be why it is out. the first few cues i made i did in pieces and when they are straight in the lathe they didnt roll perfect. i since changed the way i taper my cues bc the wrap area threw the joint off but the cue spun perfect in the lathe. you should chuck it up and see how it spins. cue may not be a total loss if he doesnt refund.
also i seem to remember someone trying to sell a bem bluegrass on here that clearly stated it had warp issues. wonder if its the same cue?
Bluegrass tapper
When a cue has a bottle neck tapper for playability it will usually not roll true on a table. The pin will spin dead true on center in a lathe though. I have been wrong before in thinking a cue was warped when it was straight. It sounds funny but Marcus is right here.
Angle the cue on a rail and you may be suprised.
Nick
When a cue has a bottle neck tapper for playability it will usually not roll true on a table. The pin will spin dead true on center in a lathe though. I have been wrong before in thinking a cue was warped when it was straight. It sounds funny but Marcus is right here.
Angle the cue on a rail and you may be suprised.
Nick
dave sutton said:
Dave Heres the email......its pretty clear....if they weighed the shafts with the j/ps on the cue they should of recieved a reading of 4.6 oz the j/ps weigh about 1 oz...
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Wow, you can tell the difference in 6/10ths of an ounce? No problem. My wife just informed me that our postage scale is off and weighs light so I ran up the street and weighed them at our post office lobby scale and she was right, the shafts both weigh 4oz. but I think it is sold. I have several interested parties and 1st money will take it. Sorry for the misinformation
nick serdula said:When a cue has a bottle neck tapper for playability it will usually not roll true on a table. The pin will spin dead true on center in a lathe though. I have been wrong before in thinking a cue was warped when it was straight. It sounds funny but Marcus is right here.
Angle the cue on a rail and you may be suprised.
Nick
Nick.....I've purchased 2 brand new Bluegrass cues from Mike and Diana Minor, and the both didnt roll like this cue....Your not going to convince me this cue is straight Sir......look at the video.....Would you like to make a comment on the shafts also????
Dale
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snowmon34 said:Nick.....I've purchased 2 brand new Bluegrass cues from Mike and Diana Minor, and the both didnt roll like this cue....Your not going to convince me this cue is straight Sir......look at the video.....Would you like to make a comment on the shafts also????
Dale
DALE,
YOU NEED TO BACK OFF HERE A BIT. WE ALL UNDERSTAND YOUR UPSET........ ALL NICK DID WAS MAKE A STATEMENT, AND HIS STATEMENT IS ACCURATE..... THERE ARE MANY CUES THAT DON'T LOOK STRAIGHT WHEN ROLLED FLAT ON A TABLE, BUT WHEN CHECKED PROPERLY ARE LASER STRAIGHT. TO ME YOUR VIDEO PROVES NOTHING, BECAUSE THAT IS NOT THE MOST ACCURATE WAY TO CHECK A CUE.......... IT MAY BE OFF, EVEN WHEN CHECKED PROPERLY, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT IS STRAIGHT. I'M JUST SAYING YOUR VIDEO, DOESN'T PROVE IT'S WARPED. IF YOU CALL MR. HARRIS, I WOULD BET HE WOULD TELL YOU NOT TO USE THE TABLE TO CHECK FOR STRAIGHTNESS. THAT WAS THE POINT THAT WAS TRYING TO BE MADE..........
I UNDERSTAND YOU ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE SHAFTS, WHICH IS UNDERSTANDABLE. NICK NEVER SAID YOU SHOULDN'T GET A REFUND, HE JUST STATED THAT THE BUTT MAY BE STRAIGHT.
P.S. I FEEL YOU SHOULD GET A REFUND IF YOU'RE NOT SATISFIED.
dave sutton
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nick serdula said:When a cue has a bottle neck tapper for playability it will usually not roll true on a table. The pin will spin dead true on center in a lathe though. I have been wrong before in thinking a cue was warped when it was straight. It sounds funny but Marcus is right here.
Angle the cue on a rail and you may be suprised.
Nick
snow nick is right. u have to chuck it up in a lathe. i bet its the handle area throwin it off. if anything you could resell the cue. 4 oz shafts are the best weight but atleast you can fix half the problem possibly. you obv came on here to help solve this prob. ppl are giving you solutions and telling you richards cues are notorious for that bc of the tapper. you shouldnt just dismiss this without atleast checking it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHKlPp4QLzQ
For all you doggers enjoyment out there, here is the link to the video made by SNOWMON34, Dale Hauser that he sent me by mistake, thinking he was deleting it, he punched send by mistake and sent it to me. This video was his very first, when he was perpetrating his exagerated nose roll scam. When he saw this video showed absolutely no roll, he trashed it. He sent it by mistake and has now, mysteriously deleted it by mistake. I wonder why??????... But I got it.
Here it is for your enjoyment. Take special note that the joint collar never leaves the floor when rolled and then compare it to his later version where he rolls it on the pool table. You can clearly see that it developed a very,very exagerated roll between the first video and the last.
For all you doggers enjoyment out there, here is the link to the video made by SNOWMON34, Dale Hauser that he sent me by mistake, thinking he was deleting it, he punched send by mistake and sent it to me. This video was his very first, when he was perpetrating his exagerated nose roll scam. When he saw this video showed absolutely no roll, he trashed it. He sent it by mistake and has now, mysteriously deleted it by mistake. I wonder why??????... But I got it.
Here it is for your enjoyment. Take special note that the joint collar never leaves the floor when rolled and then compare it to his later version where he rolls it on the pool table. You can clearly see that it developed a very,very exagerated roll between the first video and the last.
Bigjohn said:
PLEASE TELL ME YOUR JOKING??????? HOW THE HELL DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THE CUE IS STRAIGHT BY ROLLING IT ON CARPET? HIS SECOND VIDEO, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT, IS MORE ACCURATE THAN THIS VIDEO ON THE CARPET.
YOU NEED TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. YOUR WEIGHT WAS INNACURATE, AND YES TO SOME PEOPLE, THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF WEIGHT VARIANCE, IS A BIG DEAL.
REFUND HIS MONEY, AND MAKE THIS GO AWAY. YOU KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
dave sutton said:
I HAD ASKED FOR A VIDEO, WITH THE NOSE LAYING ON THE RAIL WHILE IT WAS ROLLED, BUT HE SAID HE WAS DONE WITH VIDEOS.
dave sutton
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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
the buyer made that video not the seller. the shaft weight to me is the most important thing in a great playing cue. huge difference between 3.6oz and 4 oz.
Bigjohn said:
What about the shafts being a lot lighter than you described? What's your position on that... Lastly, is everything you sell "as is"? And if that is your policy, don't you think you should mention it to a prespective buyer that you won't take it back no matter what...
dave sutton said:
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUYER MADE THE VIDEO....... THE SELLER WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE VIDEO PROVED THE CUE WAS STRAIGHT. THAT WAS WHY I ASKED IF HE WAS JOKING. BECAUSE THAT VIDEO ON THE CARPET PROVES NOTHING. YOU CAN'T TELL IF THE CUE IS STRAIGHT, OR IF IT'S LIKE A BOOMERANG FROM THAT VIDEO.
I THINK THE MONEY SHOULD BE REFUNDED ENTIRELY. I FEEL SNOW WAS LIED TO ABOUT THE SHAFT WEIGHTS, AND THAT THE SELLER LIED JUST TO MAKE THE SALE...... THERE IS ALMOST NO WAY I WOULD BELIEVE THAT HE FORGOT TO TAKE THE JOINT CAPS OFF.
P.S. 3.6 OUNCES FOR A SHAFT WITHOUT AN INSERT IS STILL A NICE PIECE OF WOOD.
P.S.S. I STILL THINK THERE SHOULD BE A FULLE REFUND IN THIS ISSUE.
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As A Side Note......
I Sold A Bluegrass Sneaky Last Month. The Buyer And I Had Differing Opinions On If The Cue Was Straight Or Not. We Never Agreed, And I Refunded His Money...... Deal Done, No Hard Feelings Either Way. That's How This Should Work. If You Don't Care If Your Customers Are Stisfied, Go Sell Used Cars......
P.s. No Offense To The Used Car Salesmen On The Forum.
I Sold A Bluegrass Sneaky Last Month. The Buyer And I Had Differing Opinions On If The Cue Was Straight Or Not. We Never Agreed, And I Refunded His Money...... Deal Done, No Hard Feelings Either Way. That's How This Should Work. If You Don't Care If Your Customers Are Stisfied, Go Sell Used Cars......
P.s. No Offense To The Used Car Salesmen On The Forum.
Gotta agree with you here
Marcus
You are right.
If you sell someone something they didn't have in their hands when they bought it, I think the seller always has to be ready to accept a return after the buyer has actually seen it. If someone doesn't like what you sold them sight-unseen, just take it back, all this "proving" who is right and who is wrong is silly and just makes for bad feelings. If it was a fair deal to begin with, it won't be hard to replicate the same deal with a different buyer. All the seller does in arguing these deals is damage himself. I know it seems important to be right, but as a seller, its often more important to be fair. Forget the reasons and their validity or lack of it, if the guy doesn't like what he is sent he totally deserves his money back. Life is too darn short for all this back and forth over who is right.
Could you explain how one rolls the butt with the nose "up on the rail"?
Kevin
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
Marcus
You are right.
If you sell someone something they didn't have in their hands when they bought it, I think the seller always has to be ready to accept a return after the buyer has actually seen it. If someone doesn't like what you sold them sight-unseen, just take it back, all this "proving" who is right and who is wrong is silly and just makes for bad feelings. If it was a fair deal to begin with, it won't be hard to replicate the same deal with a different buyer. All the seller does in arguing these deals is damage himself. I know it seems important to be right, but as a seller, its often more important to be fair. Forget the reasons and their validity or lack of it, if the guy doesn't like what he is sent he totally deserves his money back. Life is too darn short for all this back and forth over who is right.
Could you explain how one rolls the butt with the nose "up on the rail"?
Kevin
kvinbrwr said:
WITH THE BUTT OF THE CUE ON THE BED OF THE TABLE. REST THE FOREARM(ABOUT 4 INCHES DOWN FROM THE JOINT) ON THE RAIL. ROLL THE CUE LIKE THAT, AND WATCH TO SEE IF THE JOINT PIN MOVES UP AND DOWN. IF IT STAYS STRAIGH THEN THE CUE IS STRAIGHT.
dave sutton
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FAST_N_LOOSE said:
lol.. ok were on the same page. youre very right 3.6 is nice for no insert. just based on what i see both parties are unwilling to resolve this with our help. however there is no proof john said they were 4 0z shafts. obv the buyer doesnt know how to check a cue properly. he also is unwilling to listen to ppl on how to do this
i personally dont like this way to make cues bc of this exact reason. looks bad on rh like his cues dont stay straight.
also i just weighed 2 different inserts both 5x16-14 and the perfect insert weighed 0.5 oz and the reg threaded insert weighed 0.4oz so shafts are equal to 4 oz shafts nice wood
dave sutton
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kvinbrwr said:
he means roll the cue half on the rail and half on the table on an angle. if the middle wobbles its not straight. much more accurate bc the ende are the only thing touching. soletimes tables has a belly in the slate or the seems are off. it will affect cues roll
i agree sight unseen should always be subject to return (less shipping) if cue is returned in same condition sent and within a reasonalbe amount of time. 2 days or so. cant play with a cue for 2 weeks then return.
ive even seen a few ppl charge 10% restocking fee dont know if i agree with this i have mixed feelings but its better then being stuck with a cue u dont like
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dave sutton said:
Dave......I posted John's email stating the shafts weigh 4oz.....didnt you see it......John sent me this email after I told him I wasnt interested in the cue anymore because of the shafts weighing 3.4 oz......he than asked me if I can tell the difference between 6/10 of an ounce like he was offended lol enjoy......
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Wow, you can tell the difference in 6/10ths of an ounce? No problem. My wife just informed me that our postage scale is off and weighs light so I ran up the street and weighed them at our post office lobby scale and she was right, the shafts both weigh 4oz. but I think it is sold. I have several interested parties and 1st money will take it. Sorry for the misinformation.
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