Beware of member Brian71

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blackboarowner said:
So I should just get over it, huh? I started a thread stating I wanted an old Sledgehammer break cue. I sent out the money immediately via postal money order. I received a BUTT. So I have the shock of holding half a cue, that is not what I asked for, and in addition - beat up worse than any cue I have ever owned. I asked to reverse the deal because I was not happy. He said no. So you are telling me that I should have spent more money to send it back to him, not get my money back (because he stated that it wasn't going to happen) and have no item at all - and no proof? And you think I should have someone work on the butt at my cost? That is brilliant... Then there is the part where he rubs it in my face with "sorry you have buyer's remorse" and gives me neg itrader. Incidentally - I spoke to another member that Brain71 had contacted in the same week that he told me that I wasn't getting my money back, because he lost his job and needed the money. Ole Brain71 told this other guy to hold onto an item for him and he would be sending the money soon. See - that's the problem, others get hurt in the following chain of events if we members don't alert others of the screwings that we incur.

He got his money - I want my itrader fixed. THEN I will let it go. I learned my lesson. The one thing I will say is - I saw a member get banned for making a racial slur on this BILLIARDS site. A site where things are described, money changes hands, and people report the quality of the business deals conducted. So should there be some type of action when a BILLIARD deal went bad - and there was no refund, then the seller mocks you over it because he thinks he got away with it?

When my itrader is fixed - I will let it go. I made my point. People are aware. I did my part to help other members be aware or it. But when someone is considering doing business with me and wants to check me out before doing so - I don't want there to be a black mark on my reputation and character. I work at a law enforcement job, and I am a traditional karate teacher (for 31 years). My reputation and honor mean a lot to me. The loss of money is one thing - but I will not allow the loss of my CREDIBILITY...
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That pretty much says it all. I agree, you should be restored back to "11" imo.
 
values

I just feel that there should be a clear sense of right and wrong. And a deal isn't done until both parties are satisfied - and if they are not, it should be reversed.
 
I haven't been on here in almost a year but I have to say that I would be pissed as hell if this happened to me! The Hell with the I-trader thing. I would either want all my $$$ back & I would send the butt back. Or some of my $$$ back & keep the butt. Theirs no other solution, those are the only 2.
 
poolguy4u said:
I'm not sure why you are going bonkers over this.

You got a good butt and people pointed you in the right direction to get a shaft...cheap.

I don't know of any seller who returns the money first, then you send back the product.
I always get the product back then return the money. Seller maybe prefers not to use PayPal to avoid getting a 1099K form from PayPal in January.

The condition of the butt, well you are paying for the brand name---Sledgehammer and it is just a break cue butt. If you are worried about the dings, they can be filled in, fixed at a cheap price if you know the right person.

The ITrader to me...I just don't think it's that big of a deal. Especially if you were the buyer and not the seller ripping someone off.

At least you have the butt and not an empty box or the package didn't get lost. Guess you could say it got damaged in shipping and it wasn't packed right.

I buy, sell cues every day and of course I get good deals and some bad deals, but I sure will not come on here and cry about it. I get brand new top name brand cues with problems all the time, but that is between me and the seller. I'm not going to drag these people through the mud because of it.

I think in your situation------it's over and you need lick your wounds and move on. Get a shaft, get the cue refinished and you'll end up having a new SledgeHammer cue.

I'm not taking one side or another but----shoot, this is part of buying and selling.
I think you should just put all this behind you and be satisfied before you have a heart attack. It's just not worth it to be so bent out of shape over this.
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When something like this happens, it isn't dragging anyone through the mud
but for-warning people and letting them know what has happened. Being a small
billiard community, most try and look out for other members and in turn look
for support when needed.

For one, the butt of the cue looks like poo and for two, his itrader got rocked.
I think the itrader is a real big deal because even if he's in the right, new people
that come onto the forum may be hesitant to do any business with him because
they see some drama in his rep.

The seller has a chance to make his case but chooses not to. The members on
here will act as the jury and find him guilty. IMO, there's nothing wrong with
bringing a issue to light, especially when the other party won't help to resolve it.
 
scsuxci your correct in if someone was accusing me & dragging my name through the mud I'd sure be on here yo correct it & tell my side of the story.
Perfect example would be where's your origanal birth certificate?
As far as the I-trader I'm sure the mods can fix it & if not put some kind of a sticky in your signature directing people to this thread.
 
I think these folks who are saying this is no big deal are pretty nitty.

I offer money back guarentee to ANYONE for ANY REASON.

If the above poster thinks he should "lick his wounds" and move on, how about you making him whole and you take the loss? No? Thats what I thought.

I had the same deal when I brought up getting screwed by John Showman. I had alot of folks I guess either nut huggers or jealous or whatever saying it wasnt a big deal. I had at least 50 folks send me emails or PM to say it happened to them. But I was the bad guy. :rolleyes: Got my thread removed, etc.

I wouldnt wish bad things on anyone, but I guess for folks who make comments like "lick his wounds and move on" I guess maybe it would be justice if it happened to them too.

Ken
 
itrader implications

For those of you that think having a negative blurp on your itrader is no big deal. I have attempted to do trade deals with approx. 5 members that I have never dealt with. After about half a day later - I have gotten PMs back with cordial messages declining the trade. Might be a coincidence - but I think not... Several times I had offered a BK3 in trade that is in excellent condition. I have only broken with it a few times - no dings, etc. We all know that this is a popular cue in high demand. (For those of you that are going to jump on me about why not use that instead of the Sledgehammer - I don't like the way it breaks. Too stiff for me. Just preference) So I am pretty sure that the negative itrader is having an effect. You can be sure that after this experience - I will be more careful and not do business with someone that has one...
 
how long?

So how long does it usually take for the mods to fix an itrader? I haven't heard anything yet. I have had several pm's about negative situations involving the other party. Apparently he was also making jokes about the deal on a live stream match chat. When a member here confronted him on the chat - he signed off. Class act, huh?
 
Did you know

So this guy had a for sale thread dated 9/6/2013 for a sledgehammer butt.

Did you know that?
 
no

I did not know that when he responded to my thread and we made the deal. He stated several times that he was sending my CUE. This is all explained a couple of pages back on this thread. I wasn't shopping other people's threads. He read mine that said I was looking for that particular cue - so that is what I figured he had. Bottom line is that one of us wasn't happy and there was a refusal to refund/trade back. There was no attempt to rectify the situation in any way. Not even partial refund. His reason is that he lost his job and didn't have any money... and a few days after the deal went sour - he told another member here to hold an item that had a higher price than what he screwed me out of. :shakehead:
 
I think you need a little clarity here.

This isn't some corner store where you can stomp your feet and pout and scream that the customer is always right.

I've forwarded your info to Mike. *IF * he sees fit, he'll change it.

Everyone here is bargain hunting. There are no "satisfaction guaranteed" signs hanging anywhere. I've always insisted that people use an escrow service for all transactions but it rarely happens.

In all honesty, this isn't an AZB problem.
 
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