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[measureman]

You can check them out like this if they’re hiding their profile.

When you click on their name the first time, on the left it says “messages” and the number of posts they’ve made on here.

Click on the number and you can see all the posts they’ve made on here.

No way to not make that accessible.

Did not know that,thanks.

 

[ceebee]

There's no such thing as "Maximum Benefit", Players need to continue Practice, to maintain Performance Levels... We've made BreakRAKs for 25 years, they are all over the world, just not For Sale... But, here is one for sale...

 

[maha]

if you are a pro speed player you hit where you want on the cue ball anyway.

if not then you probably cannot get any real benefit out of a better break as you dont run out enough from it.

for 300 bucks you can get some good lessons on putting your cue ball where you need it to be on all your shots.

 

[Lawnboy77]

it aint that hard dude

He is absolutely right. It is easy! Just go to the “For Sale Section” and scope it out, not hard seeing all the trustworthy sellers there. A rating system similar to EBay. Someone mentioned using Pay Pal G&S as a backup. The heck with that, Pay Pal just passes that cost down to us in higher fees.

 

[Black-Balled]

if you are a pro speed player you hit where you want on the cue ball anyway.

if not then you probably cannot get any real benefit out of a better break as you dont run out enough from it.

for 300 bucks you can get some good lessons on putting your cue ball where you need it to be on all your shots.

I'm a pretty accurate ball striker and at times used to be mistaken for a player.

I had a break-rak to try for a month and there is definitely a value there for players of all speeds.

Its a different shot and does benefit from repetition....and repeat you can, as fast as you can grab that cb.

 

[maha]

so how has that increased your winning percentage of games from the break. or your run out %. you keep track of that dont you.
at least approximately so you know how to play each rack.

 

[ceebee]

Mr Maha, A poster named "At Large" posted numerous times about breaking & what the positive analysis was for the Breaker in Winning....

Here's another scenario to consider. If you Break & don't make anything, it's not your shot, but the CB is played where it landed.. If you break, make a ball, but don't have a shot, you can still push out. If you scratch on the Break, the incoming Player get's ball in hand.. that's sad... all this info is intended to make one aware of the Break Shot's importance. Running Racks REQUIRES a GREAT Break Shot...PERIOD There is a definite & positive reason for practicing the Break Shot. It's called Winning. We all know the path to the Winner's Circle is easier with a good Break Shot...

 

[maha]

ceebee. that is all correct and i agree with you so no discrepancy there.

but those stats from at large are for pros. and certainly pros having the best break is a giant advantage in their long term results.

but for the average player the break gives very little advantage if any, in his winning percentage. so my post points to spending that money and time on other aspects of your game first.
having a good break is also an ego builder so that may have an effect that cant be quantified.

now having a good break in one pocket is a different story. it helps the weaker player more than the better player to have a good break.

 

[gregcantrall]

having a good break is also an ego builder

I would not confuse powerful with good. The power with little control is the Ego path. Corey Duel with his delicate and accurate break brought a change to 9 ball rules.
I find 3 ball to be a good way to practice my break. Having just the 4 balls makes it easy to track and analyze the results. Not as quick as the breakrack but a mini break and run of 3 balls is a beginning. Plus it's inexpensive. Each game has a different break but all depend on the accuracy of the strike. Sometimes maximum power is the choice. Sometimes as in one pocket the resting spot for whitey is of major importance.

 

[ceebee]

ceebee. that is all correct and i agree with you so no discrepancy there.

but those stats from at large are for pros. and certainly pros having the best break is a giant advantage in their long term results.

but for the average player the break gives very little advantage if any, in his winning percentage. so my post points to spending that money and time on other aspects of your game first.
having a good break is also an ego builder so that may have an effect that cant be quantified.

now having a good break in one pocket is a different story. it helps the weaker player more than the better player to have a good break.

Stats are used to show us comparisons & directions. At Large's Info is not all about PROS, it's about people & cultures. In my Pool Hall, they couldn't care about the Break Shot. In Van Boeing's pool Room, it may be all they talk about.

I have to keep asking myself, why anyone would want to learn how to play a game, but not concern themselves with the 1st Shot in that game. If Pro Golfers didn't have great Tee Shots (Drives), there wouldn't be any PRO GOLF.

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but for the average player the break gives very little advantage if any, in his winning percentage. so my post points to spending that money and time on other aspects of your game first. UNQUOTE
If a player never does well on the break shot, his chances to improve, are already dismal. If he starts downing a ball on the break, his chances of making a few balls, start to rise, to that day he runs his first RACK. But, without the hint of a Break Shot, that day will never come...

You can't do well on the 2nd Shot, if you didn't do well on the 1st Shot.

 

[maha]

back to the golf analogy. the average golfer on a narrow fairway certainly will do better using a long iron or a fairway wood off the tee box.
yet usually tries to cream his driver.

same as a 9 ball break. many would be better off playing a safe type break depending on their opponent. yet i see all players hitting as hard as they can.

 

[maha]

another analogy. if playing one pocket against someone who runs balls better than you, but plays safes and moves worse.

you are better hitting a much weaker break, so the balls dont open. same can be for 9 ball to a lesser extent.

and same in both i never see anyone ever adjust their breaks according to their opponent.

 

[gregcantrall]

i never see anyone ever adjust their breaks according to their opponent.

I have 2 eight ball breaks. The second ball break(my favorite) often leaves a closer grouping that favors short accurate shape. Presenting balls without pockets that require precise adjustments. A technical rack. I prefer the second ball break against weaker players. The second ball break used to provide a chance at instant win with the 8 on the break, the 8 usually moves towards the side pocket. Most rules have eliminated that bonus but it's still my prefered break.
My second break is hit the head ball with power from my 9 ball break position. It tends to spread 'em wide. Not a good thing if the break is dry and my opponent has skills. It tends to be an all or nothing Situation. So if I am facing an opponent like Efren that I have no chance of out moving I might break them wide and hope like hell I make something.

 

[maha]

thats using you head as well as the head ball for your play.

 

[Joegolf]

I have a breakrak pro in great condition, it's the one that fits any size table. I would let it go for $350 + fees and shipping
Check my feedback, or ask anyone I've dealt with. Zero issues here!

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