Billiard Industry needs

[Cardguys3]

I have a lot of programming/electrical engineering/technical and pool experience and want to give back to the community. If time or money were no option, but human resources were restricted to just one human, what could be crafted to improve the billiard community. Ideas I have heard so far, and in no particular order:

1) A wearable (clip on) device that conveys shot clock violations. - Accelerometer/BLE/microphone.
2) A free/freemium unified platform (website/app) for tournament management. -Self mobile check-in & reporting; state of the art.
3) A device to determine who wins the lag. -laser proximity non-doppler.
4) Facial recognition & game recognition for automated player scoring - Compareface et. al.
5) Improved Ranking & Handicapping system - Avoid known micro cavitation & include transparent metrics.
6) Augmented reality aiming glasses. -- Might be a bit too complicated for 1 man.
7) Balls with sensors (training) devices. -3 axis Accelerometer/BLE/Resin

What else? I'll pick my favorite one, make it and report back. I like 1 and 2 a lot. 3 is too easy.

Would any of these not succeed, if not why - adoption, pragmaticism, implementation, something else? Nothing is too complicated.

 

[garczar]

none of this is needed in any way. please. there's areas in which the game can improve but this techno-geek stuff is not one of them. don't hold your breath on this stuff ever happening. i really hope your being facetious on this shit.

 

[RADAR]

we dont need game turned into rocket science!

 

[garczar]

we dont need game turned into rocket science!

laser this, facial recognition that. Whatta pantload.

 

[billiards_watch]

Watching for a double hit would be great.

I can see that as very beneficial.

Now all of this can and cannot be done on the local level.

For example, our gambling games consist of someone taking a video of the hit and going back and replaying it if there is any question. Very useful.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

absafknlutely not
we need to do the exact opposite
dirty up the tables, losen the pockets
bring back smoking

do something useful with all your technical skills like help man kind in the medical field
or build rockets

stop turning pool into a video game

 

[Bob Jewett]

As for lag determination, the rules of carom billiards explicitly forbid the use of any device to determine nearest ball. If the lag is that close, the players lag again. I think that's a good rule.

 

[nataddrho]

7) Balls with sensors (training) devices. -3 axis Accelerometer/BLE/Resin

See www.digicue.net.

Nevermind the knuckle draggers above... The first ones to rebuke ambition are those who haven't accomplished anything and are too uneducated to do so. Garczar, TCC et al. are well known trolls and miserable online presences. Put them on your ignore list.

I love the enthusiasm! However you may not realize how much work it takes to bring any type of tangible product to market. It is so much work no matter what the idea is. Software is a different animal since it doesn't require the long lead times and resources hardware does.

 

[Bob Jewett]

There is already a usable general scoring site -- Digitalpool.com There are many things they need to improve, but the framework is there.

 

[garczar]

Hey, i finally thought of one thing pool DIRELY needs: NO fkng phones near a pool table. If you can't turn off the damn for a couple hrs you need to find a new game or more likely a life.

 

[Bob Jewett]

For the time clock, there are already several good solutions including the way Accu-Stats does it.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Hey, i finally thought of one thing pool DIRELY needs: NO fkng phones near a pool table. If you can't turn off the damn for a couple hrs you need to find a new game or more likely a life.

I've longed for a cellphone jammer and not just for pool rooms.

 

[Bob Jewett]

For player rating, I think Fargorate is close to the best that can be done. It would be great if all pool organizations used it officially.

 

[Bob Jewett]

As for the aiming assistant, there is already a projection system with camera that can draw shot lines and display cut angles.

 

[Cardguys3]

As for lag determination, the rules of carom billiards explicitly forbid the use of any device to determine nearest ball. If the lag is that close, the players lag again. I think that's a good rule.

I bet that is a vestigial/antiquatable rule base on a lack of technology at the time. But perhaps not.

 

[Cardguys3]

See www.digicue.net.

Nevermind the knuckle draggers above... The first ones to rebuke ambition are those who haven't accomplished anything and are too uneducated to do so. Garczar, TCC et al. are well known trolls and miserable online presences. Put them on your ignore list.

I love the enthusiasm! However you may not realize how much work it takes to bring any type of tangible product to market. It is so much work no matter what the idea is. Software is a different animal since it doesn't require the long lead times and resources hardware does.

Thanks for the positivity. I agree with your statement. That is why I was leaning toward a tournament management site that captures ridiculous statistics and uses those to develop a far more robust weighting system. Did one lose because one miscued, or did one lose because one had a wall 2 feet behind away and couldn't stroke the cue ball which caused a miscue. <--trite example but an example of sorts worth considering perhaps. I have the time, money, & energy to bring most of these to market.

 

[Cardguys3]

For player rating, I think Fargorate is close to the best that can be done. It would be great if all pool organizations used it officially.

Thanks for so many replies. You rock. I may get hate mail for this, but I can't see Fargo as being the best. From my actuarial pragmatic experiences, I see flaws that can be corrected or improved upon hence that micro cavitation issue I alluded to. Having a system that is probably AI driven or something that dynamically weights impeding factors empirically is going to be lightyears ahead of Fargo basic win/loss driven statistics. Please do not take offense. I don't mean to take a stab at Fargo or you. I've just experienced otherwise with fargo is all I am saying. Mea culpa.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I bet that is a vestigial/antiquatable rule base on a lack of technology at the time. But perhaps not.

Technology can't make a useful contribution to calling the lag.

 

[Biloxi Boy]

LEADERS. TABLE MANUFACTURERS like Brunswick in the '60s to support/fund expansion, especially into the schools. Kid's heads must be taken from dead phones and introduced into real analytical endeavor. Save the kids, save the country . . . Seriously.

The kids need to learn to resolve for themselves, not be handed something which resolves it for them. We all got here without such BS and grew our brains in the process. What the kids need are the BASICS: tables, balls, and cues. And chalk, too, once they learn to say "please".
But, without the tables, no one is going anywhere.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I may get hate mail for this, but I can't see Fargo as being the best. From my actuarial pragmatic experiences, I see flaws that can be corrected or improved upon hence that micro cavitation issue I alluded to. Having a system that is probably AI driven or something that dynamically weights impeding factors empirically is going to be lightyears ahead of Fargo basic win/loss driven statistics. Please do not take offense. I don't mean to take a stab at Fargo or you. I've just experienced otherwise with fargo is all I am saying. Mea culpa.

What problems and fixes do you have in mind. How much rating error do the problems cause? Please be clear and specific in your criticism.