Billiard Industry needs
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people that propose and defend the technobabble dont actually play the game
they arent gambling and grinding out tournaments
if they did they wouldnt need to feel accomplished by doing all this extra , they would simply be out there hitting the balls
Instead of generating an opposite sound, the problem could be attacked from below and above as harmonic support. That's probably easy if disruption is the goal. If cancellation is required, what would happen if a mirror of the disrupting input was added to the disruption? And of course these two wave clouds would be tuneable and everything realtime interactive.
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My god, lol. And all of this as an application to billiards? This sounds like a startup company.Instead of generating an opposite sound, the problem could be attacked from below and above as harmonic support. That's probably easy if disruption is the goal. If cancellation is required, what would happen if a mirror of the disrupting input was added to the disruption? And of course these two wave clouds would be tuneable and everything realtime interactive.
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As in sports. Before the cameras the ref ‘s call was it.
I have three or four good ideas left that would make sellable products, but the problem is right now not only am I with a four month old, but I am burned out from the DigiBall project. It was like as soon as I was completed with the final design, by brain turned off. I don't even want to turn a screw driver for normal household maintenance.
Has this ever happened to any of you? I am reading about it and it is temporary, but it sure is a weird feeling. My ambition will come back by the end of the year.
What about a wrist band sensor to go on your bridge arm? It can be detected to allow identification of the player, can identify the start and end of a shot (if you don't want to use cue ball motion), can notify shot time warnings and violations via haptics or beeps, Some people might find a wrist band annoying, but it could alternatively be shoulder mounted or pinned to a shirt.
There are matches I've watched where i identify the players through wardrobe or body shape since the faces are so similar, or their shooting position hides their faces.
How about a camera package that could be installed for certain tables? I'm playing my buddy and can enter my email address, provide a credit card, and it records the game until I stop it, and then emails the video to me.
Go to a pool hall and you can see pool parties where many players have never played, and struggle to hold the cue in any useable way. And you know that due to their poor play, they're happy to get it over with, and never plan to come back. What if you could start them off with a spring-loaded, (or electric) cue where you just point it and pull the trigger? The usual safety issues come up (don't want people holding against their opponents arm and shooting them. But maybe if you had it only with enough power to shoot soft-midrange shots, and possibly an optical sensor that would only allow it to shoot when it was pointing at a cue ball? I know these have been tried in the past, but maybe a modern version might get traction.
Pubo
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Do you think pool can be like basketball (or snooker) one day when many other features are tracked? For example safety success, shot success, positional play success just to name a few. Sure Fargorate is already quite good at predicting the outcome, but I at least would like to know more than just who wins
The one thing needed is more young people being drawn to the sport, ESPN will show Cornhole but no pool tournaments? I think it needs to be introduced in middle school, what's next tetherball on ESPN?????
How would making Fargo data public improve Fargo???
A weighting system will always only be as good as the data entered. Garbage in equals garbage out. There would need to be someone there to track all of this information. I think it would also open a system up to massive abuse. Who is going to determine that a player miscued? That something in the way had any affect on the shot? How much affect did it have on the shot? Loose cloth at a pocket causing slow rolled balls to hang up? Who determines misses caused by that loose cloth??Thanks for the positivity.I agree with your statement. That is why I was leaning toward a tournament management site that captures ridiculous statistics and uses those to develop a far more robust weighting system. Did one lose because one miscued, or did one lose because one had a wall 2 feet behind away and couldn't stroke the cue ball which caused a miscue. <--trite example but an example of sorts worth considering perhaps. I have the time, money, & energy to bring most of these to market.
For the Matchroom events, additional stats are kept, but I think it's only for the featured table and I suspect the data goes away. It requires something like Accu-Stats which tracked many performance metrics. Few people were interested in the info at the time, so it went away. It was a lot of work.
For those who have never seen the Accu-Stats magazines -- prior to Accu-Stats TV productions -- look here:
Goldmine Magazine - Accu-Stats Magazine - AZBILLIARDS.COM
The A to Z of Pool and Billiards Online
Badpenguin
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It could make the stats more accessible, allow other folks to develop apps/sites to display it better, and so on.
The current site is not usable for much. Try to find the top 10 fargo rated players for your locale, for example. Top 10 women in your state. Top 10 20-30 year olds in your state.
All this data is available on the fargo rate app. I use it on iOS.
How can you "solve" this island problem? If no one leaves the island, then still a problem. When players leave the island the problem is already solved.
Badpenguin
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No it isn’t, unless you already know each of the names and search for them one by one. The iOS app is barely useable for looking up a single player, much less searching and getting grouped results of any kind. Unless the app has drastically changed very recently.
Yes. it is. Here is a screen shot of the top AZ players. There are multiple search options. The app updated about a month ago.
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Improving the billiard community and billiard industry needs are two different things. The industry will always chase what’s profitable or has the potential to be. That’s usually dictated by the professional tours and it doesn’t necessarily mean it improves the game.
Take jump cues, for example. Or whatever racking gadget is paying a “fee” for commercial exposure. I’d argue they did nothing to improve the game and some including me would even say took the game backwards. I’m not 100% sure how they decide which table gets used on tours or tournaments, but I’d bet money it’s the same. If you’ve got deep pockets, it’s easy to get in even if the table is garbage.
Improving the community is a tougher challenge because there’s no real power behind the changes with hopes of catching on. One example that’s actually taken hold whether you like them or not is carbon fiber shafts. That’s the kind of shift that happens when enough players adopt something and it sticks, even without the industry pushing it from the top down.
And even then maybe carbon fiber shafts was an industry top down push because carbon fiber shafts are much less expensive to manufacture?
Take jump cues, for example. Or whatever racking gadget is paying a “fee” for commercial exposure. I’d argue they did nothing to improve the game and some including me would even say took the game backwards. I’m not 100% sure how they decide which table gets used on tours or tournaments, but I’d bet money it’s the same. If you’ve got deep pockets, it’s easy to get in even if the table is garbage.
Improving the community is a tougher challenge because there’s no real power behind the changes with hopes of catching on. One example that’s actually taken hold whether you like them or not is carbon fiber shafts. That’s the kind of shift that happens when enough players adopt something and it sticks, even without the industry pushing it from the top down.
And even then maybe carbon fiber shafts was an industry top down push because carbon fiber shafts are much less expensive to manufacture?
Badpenguin
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That is a great start! Now let me do that on the web site, and let me download results.