Billiard Room Design & Ownership

I had to read this post several times, boy what a bunch of bull

Nineballggs said:
Thank you for your reply...ISSYCUE.....Good Reading......I would invite you to go to my web site www.leatherpocket.com.....and click on The Controversial Corner.....Click on the 2006 season ( green )....and read my last article. You see, what you suggest sounds good....but just to give you an update in the Northeast.....There used to be a bowling alley in almost every town....there is now one.....and making no money... To get a better grip on my view....The problem is who is going to pay the rent and utilities on the facility you need to house a decent size room today...The housing market has gone the same way as this industry....You can't get a builder to build you a "ranch" anymore....."Ranch....they say....Shoot I am too busy building $ 800,000 houses". So where did the "Ranch" business go..???? The only facility left in this region has 40 some odd tables....and is a beautiful upscale room....It has been rated one of the top 5 rooms in the country. It is huge....now lets say you "Stole" the place for $5 a foot...Gross.....no triple net lease......Do you know what the rent is on a space with say 15,000 sq.ft. Try $75,000 per year...or $6,250 per month...and that is just THE RENT.....Keep in mind you would not want the place you get for $5 per foot.....Rents today are more like $10 to $20 per foot...and they want triple net.....thats usually another $2-$3 per foot..........Do the math.....There is not a billiard room around that can pay that "Nut"....I am talking about a billiard Room.....NOT a Dave & Busters.....That is not a Billiard Room.....It is an entertainment center....In fact their pool business is probably the smallest part of their revenue.... So, while I am not trying to sound negative....just realistic after doing it some 18 times.....Times have changed.....There is too much for people to do....and most people can't keep up with themselves...they are moving so fast ......If this business was doing so great or could rebound......Why are the ones left giving table time away...or offering fantastic deals all day.... Bottom Line.....If there was a market for the product.......You would see me right smack dab in the middle..... History shows.....it revolves in a 20 year cycle....It is on its way down...and has not hit bottom yet...
Now....If you find a first class location....not in some alley....or up three flights .....I mean a pristene location, NO Poles.....Does not need To have $100,000 renovation....and you can rent that space for $2.50 per foot GROSS......Now you have my attention.
See if you follow this ....This is a real scenario......
There is a room in Boston, that I have know for 35 years....The original owner...Jimmy Carass' cousin....Had it and paid $300 per month rent for 6000 sq. ft. OR $ .60 per foot ...Thats 60 cents.!!!!! That room today at a steal of $5 per foot would be $30,000 RENT....$30K versus $3,600 per year...... The tables Each in the first scenario cost....$2 of floor space per month....Today those same tables would cost $18 per month to take up the exact same space.....Any wonder why billiard rooms are dropping like flies......You see this is why I said ...." This game was never meant to be upscale" ....It can not afford the rent..............There are VERY few, if any Chevy Dealers in Orange County Ca. They too can't afford the rent.

Thank you for your input, I appreciate your comments......:) :) :) :)
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Man you better learn some math. You are so far off it makes me wonder if you are a real b.s.er or are for real with no concept of figures.
Lets start, you , damn had to read it again, I dont know where to start.
You use the term foot and square foot so you confuse me. Either way
Nobody pays 5 bucks a sq. ft that would be 75000 a month not a year. And if you say it is 6250 a month you are only paying about 40 cents a sq. foot on 15000 sq. ft. Man I would love to pay that little a month .; I pay more than that for half the space and I do just fine. You are screwed up somewhere. Now if I had to pay 2.50 a sq. foot I would be out of business unless i charged 20 bucks an hour, for some reason you think people pay that in pool rooms. Your nuts. I and many room owners I know pay about a buck or more but less than 2 per sq ft. Now the next math problem, you say you friend paid 60 cents a sq ft on 6000 sq ft room. Man get a calculator. that is 3600 a month. Leases are per month where i come from not per year. You state 5 dollars, then if thats a month it would be 30000 a month, that is way to high, but it it is a year then that is a steal at about 2500 a month. My rent is 3 times that and It is fine That is only about 45 cents a sq. ft. per month. Plenty reasonable. You pay those high rents in the heart of cities not where you build pool rooms.
Remember the prices you are quoting is 35 years ago, my rent was cheap then too. Rent goes up, then pool time goes up. It is called inflation.
Buy a calculator or better explain your rant.
 
nfty9er said:
Man you better learn some math. You are so far off it makes me wonder if you are a real b.s.er or are for real with no concept of figures.
Lets start, you , damn had to read it again, I dont know where to start.
You use the term foot and square foot so you confuse me. Either way
Nobody pays 5 bucks a sq. ft that would be 75000 a month not a year. And if you say it is 6250 a month you are only paying about 40 cents a sq. foot on 15000 sq. ft. Man I would love to pay that little a month .; I pay more than that for half the space and I do just fine. You are screwed up somewhere. Now if I had to pay 2.50 a sq. foot I would be out of business unless i charged 20 bucks an hour, for some reason you think people pay that in pool rooms. Your nuts. I and many room owners I know pay about a buck or more but less than 2 per sq ft. Now the next math problem, you say you friend paid 60 cents a sq ft on 6000 sq ft room. Man get a calculator. that is 3600 a month. Leases are per month where i come from not per year. You state 5 dollars, then if thats a month it would be 30000 a month, that is way to high, but it it is a year then that is a steal at about 2500 a month. My rent is 3 times that and It is fine That is only about 45 cents a sq. ft. per month. Plenty reasonable. You pay those high rents in the heart of cities not where you build pool rooms.
Remember the prices you are quoting is 35 years ago, my rent was cheap then too. Rent goes up, then pool time goes up. It is called inflation.
Buy a calculator or better explain your rant.
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Nfty, I don't know where you come from but when discussing a price per square foot it is per year, not per month. That is how rent is calculated here and how I thought it was calculated everywhere else in the country....well, except where you live. Possibly, you didn't negotiate your own lease & don't really understand the terminology. You don't need a calculator to show a basic example....5000 sq ft room @$15 a sq foot = $75,000 a year / 12 months = $6250 per month rent.
 
From California

watchez said:
Nfty, I don't know where you come from but when discussing a price per square foot it is per year, not per month. That is how rent is calculated here and how I thought it was calculated everywhere else in the country....well, except where you live. Possibly, you didn't negotiate your own lease & don't really understand the terminology. You don't need a calculator to show a basic example....5000 sq ft room @$15 a sq foot = $75,000 a year / 12 months = $6250 per month rent.
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Are we in the dark ages, I have owned 2 rooms over 30 years and all rooms out here are based on sq. ft. per month leases. Of course when you sign a lease they include in it the yearly cost of the lease. Doesnt matter as I pointed out his post is real confusing anyway as he thinks 6250 is outrageous to pay for 15000 sq. ft. I pointed that out if you say and i acknowledge I do not know if he is talking about per ft per year or per month. I would love to pay 6250 for 15000 sq. ft,, that is only 40 some cents a sq ft per month. Not much more than is quoted 60 sq ft. after 35 years. Yeh give me a break. He says no one can make it with rent, he is out of touch, I pay more than that for half the footage and have been in business 25 years. My rent has gone up over the years with inflation. I just adjust the best I can.
 
Gallery Billiards

I feel your pain nineballggs. I own Gallery Billiards Newburgh Ny. Business was on a steady decline over the last three years. The smoking ban,pokers popularity,and the economy were the key factors in my opinion. I have seen an increase in the last 6 months over last year.
I work very hard at my Job. I can only hope we have hit bottom and are on our way back up.
Your post was an excellent read. Call me if you remember the room. I am the third owner and would be interested in some the history in getting this room up and running. Thank you David Pinkston 845-565-1994.
 
racefornine said:
I feel your pain nineballggs. I own Gallery Billiards Newburgh Ny. Business was on a steady decline over the last three years. The smoking ban,pokers popularity,and the economy were the key factors in my opinion. I have seen an increase in the last 6 months over last year.
I work very hard at my Job. I can only hope we have hit bottom and are on our way back up.
Your post was an excellent read. Call me if you remember the room. I am the third owner and would be interested in some the history in getting this room up and running. Thank you David Pinkston 845-565-1994.
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Of Course I remember the room.....I sold everything in it and installed it for its original owner John A. I also sold and designed Antique Brass Rail...Now gone ...also in Newburgh....Do you remember that room?????
I will give you a call..... Love to chat with you........

Hey Nifty 9er..... My numbers are correct....and they are quoted Based on a yearly basis....Did you here that.....Rent is always based on a year....NOT A MONTH......Can you sign a monthly lease????? Get real.......... Nobody signs a monthly lease....It is based on a yearly figure.....A monthly rent is "Tennant At Will".....Or did you never hear that term????? It figures you are from California. Oh by the way.......Rooms back here on the east coast.....GET $20 per hour to play pool...!!!!! We are not in the dark ages.....You can raise your rates all you want....There is a ceiling in this industry.....Thats why rooms have "bit the bullet"..... I played pool in a room that used to get $ 1.00 per hour FOR THE TABLE...UnLIMITED PLAYERS......When he raised his rates he went up $.10.....Thats 10 cents per hour... His rent was also $ 300 per month.. Today rooms back here are getting $ 5.00 per player per hour. All you Californians base your rent on monthly figures...????? when you go to the bank for a loan.......Do they ask you "Well Mr. Billiard Room Owner.....How much revenue do you do a month"????? NO ....Its how much do you do a YEAR...........A Lease is for a YEAR or more....I do not need a calculator...

Continued success....If you are paying your bills today....YOU ARE BLESSED....and you should count your blessings.....Rooms are dying all over the country.....THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR RENT........you can take that to the bank.......
 
You make no sense

Nineballggs said:
Of Course I remember the room.....I sold everything in it and installed it for its original owner John A. I also sold and designed Antique Brass Rail...Now gone ...also in Newburgh....Do you remember that room?????
I will give you a call..... Love to chat with you........

Hey Nifty 9er..... My numbers are correct....and they are quoted Based on a yearly basis....Did you here that.....Rent is always based on a year....NOT A MONTH......Can you sign a monthly lease????? Get real.......... Nobody signs a monthly lease....It is based on a yearly figure.....A monthly rent is "Tennant At Will".....Or did you never hear that term????? It figures you are from California. Oh by the way.......Rooms back here on the east coast.....GET $20 per hour to play pool...!!!!! We are not in the dark ages.....You can raise your rates all you want....There is a ceiling in this industry.....Thats why rooms have "bit the bullet"..... I played pool in a room that used to get $ 1.00 per hour FOR THE TABLE...UnLIMITED PLAYERS......When he raised his rates he went up $.10.....Thats 10 cents per hour... His rent was also $ 300 per month.. Today rooms back here are getting $ 5.00 per player per hour. All you Californians base your rent on monthly figures...????? when you go to the bank for a loan.......Do they ask you "Well Mr. Billiard Room Owner.....How much revenue do you do a month"????? NO ....Its how much do you do a YEAR...........A Lease is for a YEAR or more....I do not need a calculator...

Continued success....If you are paying your bills today....YOU ARE BLESSED....and you should count your blessings.....Rooms are dying all over the country.....THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR RENT........you can take that to the bank.......
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I could care less about whether you use year per ft. or month per ft, it all comes out the same. I guess you are in the dark ages. You point out the $300 a month rent that was 35 years ago, does he pay that now. I think not. You gripe about the 75000 a year to make a point and that is 6250 a month and you think a pool room can't make it on that. I pointed out to you that I pay more for half the sq. footgage. You cannot say no one can make it. You are nuts, that is cheap rent. Then you come up with your buddy's room that at 5 bucks would be steal at 30000 a year which equals 2500 a month according to you. That is dirt cheap and if anyone is charging and getting 20 bucks an hour they are making a fortune. But I do not believe that. Read the thread about pool prices around the nation. I do not recall seeing one that charged that much except overseas and that was only one. I charge 8.90 an hour on weekend and this is California. I was in New York and that was expensive but it was Amsterdam Billiards, in the heart of Manhattan and I thinkk that was 16 an hour. You need a refresher course in math and profit margin. You talk about that 1.00 per hour time and all that baloney, that is the past. why bring it up. I only agree with the fact the pool is on a downswing and it is not what it was a few years ago but it will be back.
Now about your stupid comment about leases. If you read my post you will see I said we sign year leases but we talk in simple terms when people negotiate so we do not need calculators to figure out the monthly rent per sq. foot. When you go rent a house they advertise the monthly rent not the yearly rent. Same with buildings. I guess youare the one in the dark ages. What does that mean, "base rent on monthly figures" What are you blabbing about? I don't base my rent on anything my landlord does, plus I do not go to a bank for a loan and if I did I would give my yearly income just like anybody else. Well actually my profit and loss statement. Do they still advertise carpet per sq yard in the East? Same
idea as sq. ft. per month, stores changed and started quoting per. sq. ft. because it was easier for the consumer to figure out what he was paying for a 10x10 room. The old way you had to multiply then divide.
Oh and by the way a lease can be any amount of time and if it runs out it becomes a month to month tenancy with the terms of the original lease still in effect. You do not need to have a lease to stay in business.
 
Nfty...sorry, not to be rude. But you owe nineballggs an apology. You are the one in the dark. Alll leases on commercial space ARE ON A YEARLY BASIS. You can play with numbers all you want but YOUR LEASE IS BASED ON PER YEAR AND WHEN SOMEONE TALKS AB0UT PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, IT IS BASED ON A YEARLY AMOUNT. If you can't understand that, then I would hope you don't find it too offensive for me to say to stay out of this discussion. If you can get a a commercial landlord to give you an month to month lease after your original lease is up, then he and you are both still in the dark. I don't know any landlords that would go for that. Alll want to renogiate the lease and jack up the original price PER SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR. One that allows you to pay month to month, I would like to see that.
 
I think that was a pretty fair assesment

Gary is totally correct in his assessment of pool, at least here in the northeast. Of the 25 or 30 rooms that were around when I bought my first one, I think there are only 5 or 6 left. I had great hope that the IPT would pull us out of the wilderness, but you know that story. I lost my room to high rent, high electric bills and a smoking ban that was imposed in my town two years before any other town. It was a tough business. I lasted two years longer than I should have because I did have a poker machine. The only way you could pull off a poolroom today is that you own the building and you have tenants paying the nut. I don't think you have to have full liquor, I think you can get away with beer and wine. You have to have at least 20 tables. The room must be decorated so that it appeals to women. You have to be able to see every square inch of the room from the counter. No private rooms or alcoves that funny things happen in. You have to develop good leagues in house leagues which is very difficult. I know Gary doesn't beleive in it, but you should have some good nightly and afternoon specials for the regulars to take advantage of. Don't forget, you are going to make 80% of your income on 20% of your customers.
 
You are not comprehending

watchez said:
Nfty...sorry, not to be rude. But you owe nineballggs an apology. You are the one in the dark. Alll leases on commercial space ARE ON A YEARLY BASIS. You can play with numbers all you want but YOUR LEASE IS BASED ON PER YEAR AND WHEN SOMEONE TALKS AB0UT PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, IT IS BASED ON A YEARLY AMOUNT. If you can't understand that, then I would hope you don't find it too offensive for me to say to stay out of this discussion. If you can get a a commercial landlord to give you an month to month lease after your original lease is up, then he and you are both still in the dark. I don't know any landlords that would go for that. Alll want to renogiate the lease and jack up the original price PER SQUARE FOOT PER YEAR. One that allows you to pay month to month, I would like to see that.
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Did you really read my posts? I acknowledge that we sign leases(usually) based on yearly prices, however for the most part in this part of the country when I go to a landlord of a house or a commercial property, they tell me the monthly rent. How can you dispute what I have done for a fact. They let me figure out the yearly cost, the lease it written up for a year, or 5 or whatever with options. Conincidentally I just got an e mail from a realtor who quoted me the price of a business and in that e mail quotes me the price of the monthly rent. Duh. So tell me how you can tell me to stay out of the discusssion. Do you want me to send you the e mail? It was a 5000 sq. ft. building for $6000 a month. Now what do you call that kind of a quote. Per ft. Per yr. No! When you sign a lease for a certain amount of time you want to control the raises so it is usually a cost of living based on the national index, so you have no idea what your talking about. It your rent does not go up necessarily every year. Some landlords make enough and if your a good tenant they skip the cost of living occasiionally, which mine as done several times. Now I signed a lease orignally, with options for 20 years. I have been there the last 7 with a month to month lease(with the same requirements of the lease) No big deal at this point as I know my landlord is not going to mess with getting me out of there because if they do the building will need about a half a million in code renovations. So you watchez not me, needs to stay out of the discussion as you have no clue what goes on in California. If they only do it your way in St. Louis, fine but don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about. My whole point with getting in this discussion,, which you do not seem to understand is that the original poster was crying about how you cannot stay in business in pool anymore because of high rents but then he quotes these rents that he says is outrageous that I find cheap in comparison. Then he says they are getting 20 dollars an hour at the same time. Man they are really making money if that is the case. I did a survey and could only find a couple of rooms that charge that much or more but only if 4 people are playing, otherwise I could only find $12 the most for 2 people which is the average playing customers.
Now I really think you owe me an apology. Give your e mail and I will send you that quote.
 
I was merely commenting towards your thrashing of the other poster & stating they needed to get a calculator. I am happy for you that things are so wonderful in California with your landlords and month to month, .40 cent per sq foot leases. Best of luck. What's the name of your pool room again, I would love to drop by the next time I am in the area?
 
I really do not need an apology......Bottom Line is ....Some People GET IT....and some just Plain DON'T......Hey Nifty.....Sounds like you are in a quite the location...????? with all the code violations you speak of...Sounds like a real "Upscale Room"......NOT.!!!!.....I will tell you this much.....My record and background speaks for itself.....You can take this to the bank....You better pray to your God....that your building never gets sold.....and never gets RENOVATED.....If it does.....you will be in a new line of work....and then you will understand more clearly what everyone is trying to say to you..........5000 sq ft....at $6000 a month or $72,000 per year JUST FOR RENT.....You are nuts .....and you are not making very much money with those kind of figures.....I don't care who you are........You do not own the "TRUMP National Golf Course" ....you own a POOL Hall.........Get real.........I don't care where you are.....I have put in 18 rooms, and owned 4 myself.............and played this game ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY......This Industry can not pay $15.00 per square foot....to rent pool tables......Better you than me........One person in that equasion is getting rich....and guess who it is.....HINT: It is NOT the Room Owner.....
 
You are friggin nuts

Nineballggs said:
I really do not need an apology......Bottom Line is ....Some People GET IT....and some just Plain DON'T......Hey Nifty.....Sounds like you are in a quite the location...????? with all the code violations you speak of...Sounds like a real "Upscale Room"......NOT.!!!!.....I will tell you this much.....My record and background speaks for itself.....You can take this to the bank....You better pray to your God....that your building never gets sold.....and never gets RENOVATED.....If it does.....you will be in a new line of work....and then you will understand more clearly what everyone is trying to say to you..........5000 sq ft....at $6000 a month or $72,000 per year JUST FOR RENT.....You are nuts .....and you are not making very much money with those kind of figures.....I don't care who you are........You do not own the "TRUMP National Golf Course" ....you own a POOL Hall.........Get real.........I don't care where you are.....I have put in 18 rooms, and owned 4 myself.............and played this game ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY......This Industry can not pay $15.00 per square foot....to rent pool tables......Better you than me........One person in that equasion is getting rich....and guess who it is.....HINT: It is NOT the Room Owner.....
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You think I am lying my man. You think I have not owned my room for 26 years, raised 7 kids, own my own house and stayed married for 43 years without making money. You are nuts. I pay more than 6000 a month for 7000 sq ft and I make over $100,000 a year. So I don't give a shit about your experience or what a hot shot you are. I saw your website and it is very impressive but don't come on here advertising your services on one hand and on the other bashing rents and why no one can make it. And I can't charge 20 bucks an hour. My max is 8.90 an hour at night and less during the day. You have no clue. You cannot tell me I cannot make it, I have and will continue to even in this dead time. And I live in a surf town with not a lot of population to draw from like some areas. One benefit I have is I am the only room in the county. There used to be another but their mismangement drove them out of business. And where do you get off talking about code viiolations, where do you get that. I do not have any, I get inspected every few months like everyone else. If you can comprehend which you cannot seem to if the landlord had to renovate by my leaving they would have to upgrade the building to current codes. They do not grandfather in here dumb ass. So do not tell me I am not making money, cause you do not know your ass from a hole in the ground.
Visit my website if you dare. fasteddysbilliards.com
 
Just a Few Thoughts

Rent is rent no matter how you look at it. Sq.', monthly, yearly they are all the same. I look at it yearly as part of my fiscal year annual budget. I reflect monthly rent in my by the month portion of my annual budget.

Hold on to your hats, I will pay $162,000 this fiscal year in rent. I have 8100 sq. ft. You can do the math. I've been in business 8 yrs., do a real good business and have 15 pool halls in a ten mile radius of my Private Club Billiard Parlor. We do more business than any poolroom in the region, by a long shot.
I've lost money every year, so I know how tough this business can be.

Although I only have one room, I've learned a lot and made a lot of mistakes.
One lesson I have learned is that rental costs play the major role in the viability of any business, whether it be a pharmacy or a pool hall. The state of our industry is in flux. Certain markets are wide open for a successful pool hall. You must be clean and upscale. The market does not belong to the "A"
player but the recreational amateur player who visits your room several times a week. League play is critical to developing a stable foundation for any pool room. Smoke free areas, food, alcohol, quality equipment, and a friendly atmosphere are all key ingredients of a successful room.

We shouldn't be calling each other idiots and dumb asses. We all have experiences we can share and gleen ideas from each other for the benefit of all.

I'm in it for the long hall. I have a plan. BUY THE BUILDING AND PAY YOURSELF $162,000 A YEAR FOR RENT.
 
Good post

nineballpaul said:
Rent is rent no matter how you look at it. Sq.', monthly, yearly they are all the same. I look at it yearly as part of my fiscal year annual budget. I reflect monthly rent in my by the month portion of my annual budget.

Hold on to your hats, I will pay $162,000 this fiscal year in rent. I have 8100 sq. ft. You can do the math. I've been in business 8 yrs., do a real good business and have 15 pool halls in a ten mile radius of my Private Club Billiard Parlor. We do more business than any poolroom in the region, by a long shot.
I've lost money every year, so I know how tough this business can be.

Although I only have one room, I've learned a lot and made a lot of mistakes.
One lesson I have learned is that rental costs play the major role in the viability of any business, whether it be a pharmacy or a pool hall. The state of our industry is in flux. Certain markets are wide open for a successful pool hall. You must be clean and upscale. The market does not belong to the "A"
player but the recreational amateur player who visits your room several times a week. League play is critical to developing a stable foundation for any pool room. Smoke free areas, food, alcohol, quality equipment, and a friendly atmosphere are all key ingredients of a successful room.

We shouldn't be calling each other idiots and dumb asses. We all have experiences we can share and gleen ideas from each other for the benefit of all.

I'm in it for the long hall. I have a plan. BUY THE BUILDING AND PAY YOURSELF $162,000 A YEAR FOR RENT.
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I would buy the building but the landlord will not sell. But you are right and I am constantly asking and have since her husband died.
Although I have tournaments, league play is a very tough sell here for some reason. Dart leagues are more popular.
So where is your room located? That rent is extremely high in my eyes but if you can show a profit more power to you. I guess your private membership is what saves you. At least it shows for a fact you can survive with higher than desired rents. Thanks
 
Keep up the fight

Didn't say I was showing a profit. It's been a tough fight. A lot of hard work but my own room has always been a dream and now its a reality. Wish I had started 30 years ago. If you have a dream you should pursue it always looking for opportunities or information that can make that dream a reality.

Had a meeting today with my advisory committee, and we are actively pursuing the purchase of the building. It's a huge nut, but remember it is my vision and both my wife and myself are committed. Or should that be (should be committed. Have a nice day.
 
Upscale Billiard Rooms

Hey Nifty..... I offer you my appology.....I thought we were talking about "Upscale Billiard Rooms"......NOT Pool Halls....... I design and run and have owned UPSCALE Billiard Rooms .....I do not do pool halls......I took your suggestion and checked out your web site....We are clearly not talking about the same type of Business.....If you would like to see what I am talking about....Please go to MY web site....www.leatherpocket.com
Click on the Billiard Consulting page and scroll down. These are NOT Pool Halls.....The carpet in the Manchester, NH room is the same carpet that is in The White Mountain Hotel, in North Conway, NH. ( a 5 star ) hotel.. the carpet was $60 per yard....Not installed........ You see.....there are pool halls....and then there are Billiard Rooms........Good luck and God Bless for the Holiday Season.....Keep making money.....May all your shots be short and straight....................Gary:) :) :) :)
 
Sorry

Babineau's Billiards and Sports Club, Raleigh/Cary NC. Babineaus.com.

Couple of NC boys doing well at the Reno Open. Sparky Ferrell, and Keith Bennett are thru to the third round.
 
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